tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post102553103353415889..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: סקווערער תקנותHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger129125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64435647655546639972011-07-14T05:58:22.902-04:002011-07-14T05:58:22.902-04:00Oy vey! Soap?! What has become of you Belz?!Oy vey! Soap?! What has become of you Belz?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-21272736511656457602011-07-08T08:51:20.314-04:002011-07-08T08:51:20.314-04:00Anonymous, we know who you are.Anonymous, we know who you are.Jingle Belznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-87937313763076039152011-07-08T02:34:20.895-04:002011-07-08T02:34:20.895-04:00I do however in all seriousness feel anyone with a...I do however in all seriousness feel anyone with an axe to grind against Belz should take great care not to provide self-identifyng info. Its impossible to tell how far he's personally lept in his Great Leap Forward plan.(The great Mao of the Oilom haChasidus). As some of you know the Belzer used to share a Chotzer with a leading Marbitz Toire. When waiting for a Motze Shabbos Shiur I walked across to check out his set up. In Belz they were all by Shalshds in Agripas. The place was empty and unlocked. I walked into his room and remember seeing brass-colored 'coins' with some type of Belzer oriented inscriptions and images on them. I then noticed a cabinet that looked odd. I opened it. It was a sink. Sitting there was a bar of perfumed palm soap! I would make Shvua Dorayse if it were permitted. This was BMoy eynay. VDay Lmeyvin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-66442750857222377922011-07-05T20:07:34.743-04:002011-07-05T20:07:34.743-04:00It's really sad that such people are our leade...It's really sad that such people are our leaders.<br /><br />Reminds me of a story of some Rabbi in the Bronx who was rumored to have Ruach Hakodesh.<br /><br />Then they find out that he had installed a hidden mike at his Gabbie's station, so he knew everything the supplicant told the Gabbie. Some Ruach Hakodesh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-89877938740067436242011-07-05T11:37:56.457-04:002011-07-05T11:37:56.457-04:00I'll add a little "something" from p...I'll add a little "something" from personal experience. After personally witnessing unbelievable indifference to Halacha AND secular law, I alerted the Rebbe many times. At first, he seemed genuinely concerned.... but months passed and nothing changed. <br /><br />So I came back several more times... and his comments were something to the effect that everybody complains about everybody and he "hears nothing".<br /><br />Then suddenly, when I tried coming again, guess who was "tailing" me? Shia the gabbie was following after me and warning me in no uncertain terms "not to ay anything". <br /><br />Question: Shia never heard anything from me - how did he know what i was talking about?<br /><br />Another Question: Wouldn't anybody with one iota of Yiras Shomayim WANT to know what's wrong, so that he could correct it? (In the end, many of those guys ended up sitting in jail!!)<br /><br />Draw your own conclusions.<br /><br />Nice footnote: I told Shia, something like "If you would only know what's going on and what they're doing to me for talking about it...."<br /><br />Shia answered... And what do you think they're doing to me?"<br /><br />Stay far, far away... They're rotten all the way through!<br />So I came back again, demanding the right to resign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-67841146748450210842011-07-04T23:36:39.102-04:002011-07-04T23:36:39.102-04:00Grand Rabbi Twersky is not a Novi Sheker. He doesn...Grand Rabbi Twersky is not a Novi Sheker. He doesn't even try. I know a sincere Yungerman who left YU as a Bochur a Mvakesh. He told me he went to the Grand Rabbi since he's a rebbe and has Ruh"k. He asked which yeshiva to attend. I forgot- he didn't know money has to change hands. The GR smiled and shrugged him off " adunno"( in english) he said "but you're the Rebbe". The GR smiled and ended the audience. Any decent person with a gefil for a Yid would ask this obviously confused kid something about himself and try to guid him. Bfrat a man who devotes his life to Yidden. But I guess the "piercing blue eyes"( that Rabbi Frand was smitten by) were looking at the the sign-in list at the names of the well heeled waiting outside. ("Hey kid can't you see I'm working here"). The GR has a constantly updated list of those waiting. You sign in and he invaryably calls in the wealthy ahead of everyone else. If you go there to watch you'll be astounded. Many don't realize he calls all the shots and fight with the Gabboim who remain dutifuly mum. Take a look at the eldery people who shlep in by bus waiting for hours. If all publicity is good publicity he has one accomplishment. -after AP picked up the "fiery dispute"(press never got tired of corny pun)story. Having more global media coverage than Lubavit<br />chAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-28256286515808289922011-07-04T19:10:13.817-04:002011-07-04T19:10:13.817-04:00What remains is the paradox. If Rabbi Twersky is a...What remains is the paradox. If Rabbi Twersky is as great as they believe how can such Chiluley Shem Shomayim and Retzicha result from such a leader. Mgalgelin Zchus A"YZakay Mgalglin Choyv A"Y Chayov. The Chilul HaShem with FBI involvement is not new to Rabbi Twersky. <br />I don't get this digression into the zionism issue. We're discussing a poser a Letz. Not an Ernster Mentch. It has nothing to do with Shitos. He's not capable of any emunos vdeyos. According to his believers he's a masmid an erlicherr nor " zeyer baholtn". So he's greater than his father ZL who was not as successful in hiding his greatness...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-70677965380575927602011-07-04T18:53:28.434-04:002011-07-04T18:53:28.434-04:00According to the influential French philosopher Lo...According to the influential French philosopher Louis Althusser, organizations operate (and keep its members in line) by a combination of what he calls the Repressive State Apparatus, which is the use of force, e.g. police, army, etc., and the Ideological State Apparatus, which is the method by which ideology is propagated, e.g. religion, media, family, education, etc. (Education is highest on the ISA ladder.) Hasidism utilizes both these apparatuses efficiently. Although they do not have an official police force beating people who step out of line, the mission of the RSA is to scare people into behaving, and Hasidism has built in several powerful factors to effectively do this job.<br /><br />Chief among these is the emphasis on shidduchim. Marriage, or bayis ne’eman b’yisroel, the building of a Jewish home, is a crucial objective in Orthodox Judaism. Hasidism—a social movement at its base— simply adds a social status part to it, creating, in effect, the enormous dual pressure of firstly, finding a marriage partner for each child in order to accomplish the bayis ne’eman b’yisroel objective, and secondly, achieving a place in society by doing a “quality” shidduch. The behaviors of father, mother, children and even extended family are observed and noted for years by an organic panopticon-style community, and each eccentricity or out-of-the-box act by anyone in the family has the potential to destroy the family’s future shidduch chances. It may be difficult for an outsider to grasp the efficacy of the “shidduch RSA” to keep people in line, but anyone in a Hasidic community understands it innately. (The shidduch RSA is not unique to Hasidism; many Muslim and Hindu communities abide by a similar code.)<br /><br />Also part of the Hasidic RSA are its schools’ student selection policies. This is actually a more recent innovation, apparently responding to a slight decrease in the shidduch RSA’s effectiveness. Basically, institutions refuse to accept students whose parents don’t dress or act in the manner approved by their Board. And since Hasidim are limited to specific schools, they may—if they do not behave properly—find themselves without a school for their children.<br />כרםצ hasidismandlit.blogspotAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-72839801795701051262011-07-04T18:36:33.817-04:002011-07-04T18:36:33.817-04:00Those who disagreed with the SR did not say that t...Those who disagreed with the SR did not say that the chillul HaShem of the zionists should be met with apathy. We have a responsobility to announce to the world and ourselves that Zionism is not Judaism and a jew is defined by the Torah. Going to bechiros to try and save what we can from the thugs who appropriated the name Yisroel for themselves and steal our money and religion is not, in any way, condoning their existence or actions. All Hungarian Rabbonim joined the government - sponsored congress in 1862(? I may have that wrong, correct me) to save Judaism from the Neologs, even though they had to sit together with them.Gimpelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-56788814525835305332011-07-04T14:12:54.402-04:002011-07-04T14:12:54.402-04:00IWasOnce said...
Typical of someone who can't ...IWasOnce said...<br />Typical of someone who can't win an argument... Just scream louder<br />You haven’t open your eyes yet (u just got out of skver,remember?) none of this gedolim you mentioned belived otherwise than I stated, the machloka was how to address this issue of ‘frum zionisim’ some belived in fighting them from in and some from out! But no one supported even an inch of zionisim! By the way besides going to the ‘bechirous’ do you know anything more of these gedolims shita! Did they write it somewhere I can read/learn it! Or are you just name dropping, am I discussing you as an grown-up or yinkele who needs to learn a little?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-50401898621180901302011-07-04T14:02:24.281-04:002011-07-04T14:02:24.281-04:00IWasOnce said...
.. So will you next Rebbe be a Me...IWasOnce said...<br />.. So will you next Rebbe be a Mechalil Shabbos?<br /> <br />again a naive question, learn 'heichel habrucha' from the hileger kemarner.. he warned 100 years ago that indeed will have rebbes mechalal shabos c"v among other averios! my advise choose your rebbe very carefully! and dont force "your" chosen rebbes children on "your" children!(they way skver and others do)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-45466403838356772712011-07-04T13:55:34.625-04:002011-07-04T13:55:34.625-04:00IWasOnce said... whatever.
I feel your pain you g...IWasOnce said... whatever.<br /><br />I feel your pain you got duped in believing in something that is not! ha ha that happened to many chasidum for the last 100+ years in many circumstances with dire consequences.. and thats why great manhigim warned chasidum not to thing that their rebbe is above the torah!(although square didnt listen..) maybe the current SR is not fit to be a rebbe! but most skevere self imposed their imprisonment! and they do have a choice.. (like u) said that u know as well as I that there is a lot of torah and yirah in square which will prevail the current ho hah! with or without their leader if u dont like it get out of there, when you find a better way join it! but dont give up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-77959497061667070672011-07-04T13:51:13.628-04:002011-07-04T13:51:13.628-04:00"all chasidum from the time of the rebbe reb ..."all chasidum from the time of the rebbe reb ber z"l where saying their rebbe is 'a miracle worker'"<br /><br />It would be nice if youa actually read the ramban before commenting.<br /><br />I'll try again. Many Tzadikim WERE and ARE miracle workers.<br /><br />צדיק גוזר והקבה מקיים.<br /><br />A נביא שקר is one that uses his purported miracle working powers to cause people to be עובר על דברי תורה.<br /><br />That is what the skvere olam is trained to do.IWasOncenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-14519339107098550882011-07-04T13:47:54.871-04:002011-07-04T13:47:54.871-04:00"THAT WAS NEVER DONE NOT EVEN IN THE TIME OF ..."THAT WAS NEVER DONE NOT EVEN IN THE TIME OF THE Y’EVUNIM!"<br /><br />Typical of someone who can't win an argument... Just scream louder.<br /><br />The Satmarer can brew up as many stories as they want... The fact remains that טשיבענע רב, חזון איש, סטייפלער did believe in going to בחירות. They had a different definition of התבדלות מרשעים than the Satmarer Rebbe Ztza"l.<br /><br />They were all Kedoshim, as was the LR. Too bad. The skvere shouldnt be mentioned in the same breath. He's a fraud an an actor.<br /><br />Anything else you wanted to say?IWasOncenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-61692057471567710812011-07-04T13:44:05.677-04:002011-07-04T13:44:05.677-04:00" kehlishe atrocites transgrationes by yiden ..." kehlishe atrocites transgrationes by yiden always happened"<br /><br />Skver has no Kehilla. It ONLY has a Rebbe. As the Takonos clearly state, and as any insider knows. Nobody does ANYTHING without the Rebbe. There were never any Kehilla elections. <br /><br />And of couse there were always kehilishe atrocities... And so there were murders and Chilul Shabbos... So will you next Rebbe be a Mechalil Shabbos?IWasOncenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-34197394977929186872011-07-04T13:39:10.813-04:002011-07-04T13:39:10.813-04:00"don’t pick and choose and apply your little ..."don’t pick and choose and apply your little moral equilancycey pisgumim"<br /><br />Again and again you miss the point and you threw into one bucket shaalos about dina demalchiso along with rotten individuals on the one-side and moral bankruptcy and mafia tactics of their enforcement by a person that multitudes come to for a "direct connection" to Hashem...<br /><br />Pleeze...IWasOncenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-32729131712940750912011-07-04T13:35:04.526-04:002011-07-04T13:35:04.526-04:00"Those who do not have any kehila life like m..."Those who do not have any kehila life like most ltvishe in america fall away from yidshkeit way way"<br /><br />I'm sure you've thoroughly researched that slanderous statement of yours.<br /><br />I'll tell you (as a "Heimshe") what's wrong with the world view you espouse...<br /><br />Once upon a time Tzadikim added Minhagim and Chumras as a bulwark against bad השפעה, and they stressed the importance of those minhagim and their value in protecting the עיקר.<br /><br />We are now unfortunately witnessing a wholesale רפיון in the עיקרים, where people still get that fuzzy warm feeling because they're doing the minhagim...IWasOncenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-55281294787006085342011-07-04T13:32:09.543-04:002011-07-04T13:32:09.543-04:00IWasOnce said...
I would say 'UWasOnce' a...IWasOnce said...<br /><br />I would say 'UWasOnce' and you still are 'naive'<br /><br />all chasidum from the time of the rebbe reb ber z"l where saying their rebbe is 'a miracle worker' reb maendel from vtepsk, the aveni nezer and many others adress this false notion! if you was naive to think like that of the current SR, well I'm glad you woke up and smelled the coffee! but in no way it makes him a false nuvi !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-6990270449417783942011-07-04T13:29:28.346-04:002011-07-04T13:29:28.346-04:00anon said:
"you don’t like the rebbe of NS ma...anon said:<br />"you don’t like the rebbe of NS many don’t like the LR and think worse of him and his kehila shtik..than you think of NS"<br /><br />I really shouldn't justify such silliness with an answer....<br /><br />Being a Manhig isn't a popularity contest. It has nothing to do with how many people love or hate him. It has to do with has actions, and how clearly right or wrong they are. <br /><br />We unfortunately live in times when Chilul Hashem is rampant, but the Skvere Rebbe stands out for the wide disconnect between the product he "sells" - the heiligsta of the heilgsta, all ahavas yisroel and chumras and being dan lekaf zchus - to his reality.<br /><br />THAT makes him so dangerous... The unsuspecting Five Towns crowd falls for it.IWasOncenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-52913731920512668502011-07-04T13:21:18.616-04:002011-07-04T13:21:18.616-04:00My quote about false Neviim was on target. As i me...My quote about false Neviim was on target. As i mentioned earlier, the Ramban explains that a Nuvi can refer to any "miracle worker", and false navi refers to anyone insuniating that Chasidim should be עובר על דברי תורה. Please see my earlier reference to the Ramban.<br /><br />The NS Rebbe most definitely knew of ongoing, frequent עבירות that he could have easily put a stop to and he chose not to. <br /><br />How do I know he knew? Well, I often told him...IWasOncenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-55225540283639506452011-07-04T12:38:08.247-04:002011-07-04T12:38:08.247-04:00IWasOnce said... etc.
yourquote about false neviu...IWasOnce said... etc.<br /><br />yourquote about false nevium … sorry that does not apply here, there is no nevium<br /><br />Your quote about false manhigim… you don’t like the rebbe of NS many don’t like the LR and think worse of him and his kehila shtik..than you think of NS <br />You write: that he (SR) wasn't ONLY busy with Tzionim.. He fought against ANYTHING he thought was wrong… of course he did and he build one of the best kehila life in america as a prototype that many copy, just look on the picture hirshel put up of Telshe, 1936 reb chaim stein.. although all good yiden but without any yiddishe tzira (in todays america even the litvishe have a yidishe tzirah..) said that, I’ll also tell you that NS does not have to be ashamed of any kehila in america with their 1000’s of yereim v’shlimum graduated from there!, Those who do not have any kehila life like most ltvishe in america fall away from yidshkeit way way.. more than in the erliche kehilos (with all their faults) the hafkerous there is sky high!!! You just choose not to see it even when you know it!!! BMG of lakewood and the likes who have the liberty to choose whom ‘they see fit’ and the rest they leave behind in the dumbs that not an option by chasidum !<br />No one will defend NS or BMG, CH, or rabbi kasin or dwek or satmar their atrocites shtik that is and has to be condemed!, but don’t pick and choose and apply your little moral equilancycey pisgumim like it apllies to one sect of yidden and not to others (who you cant aplly it to, because of the hafkereis there has no central office, i.e fltbush, five towns, whasington heights, los angeles, MB, israel etc..)<br />Final but not last, individually and kehlishe atrocites transgrationes by yiden always happened and will happen unfortunately till moshiach will come, and justice will be done! But to compare it to the collective chillul hashem and the gross transgression that is being done in the name of klal yisruel “by the tzionim” the frumme more so than the frei ones, with no protest from the so called yideshe manhigim or klal leaders! THAT WAS NEVER DONE NOT EVEN IN THE TIME OF THE Y’EVUNIM! That’s not a satmer shita! I’ll quote you on that literraly 1000’s of mamurah chazal! … if needed. There is no machlokis h’agodolim on that! ‘TILL KORAH MEBEIN ANEICU’Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-78069905445529761842011-07-04T11:40:32.527-04:002011-07-04T11:40:32.527-04:00Anon says:
"I would say you’re misquoting, ap...Anon says:<br />"I would say you’re misquoting, applying selectively quotes not pertaining to the current events, and choosing to ignore it where it applies is …"<br /><br />Let's see... Misquoting? I actually copied and pasted everything..<br /><br />Applying selectively.... Ignoring where it applies to... Please do offer examples... And stick around for the rebuttals, instead of scurrying off when you run out of excuses.<br /><br />FYI, The Satmarer Rebbe ZTZ"L often quoted the same Gemora in Shabbos that I just did, and while I don't know much about Satmar, I'm old enough to remember that he wasn't ONLY busy with Tzionim.. He fought against ANYTHING he thought was wrong.<br /><br />Whatever you hold about Tzionim should be irrelevent, just as what you ate for breakfest is irreleven to whether you should buy a new dining room set. Problems need to be dealt with, and not excused away forever.<br /><br />The Tzionim thing is (like it or lump it) a Machlokis Gedolim. Not that any "Heimishe" Gedolim CH"V condone an anti-religious govt., but rather what the definition of condoning is, etc.<br /><br />On the other hand, the moral bankruptcy of places like NS coupled with the Mafia tactics of enforcement that are ingrained there<br /><br />Please remember that I had a front row seat to know that what goes on in NS is not just sanctioned and encouraged, but basically forced from the "big fish". And the "plausible denial" excuse that the Rebbe has used so long, is finally sounding hollow to lots of regular people that bought his stories in the past.IWasOncenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-62674262886604648832011-07-04T11:06:39.099-04:002011-07-04T11:06:39.099-04:00IWasOnce said...
Sorry to keep on quoting gemorah ...IWasOnce said...<br />Sorry to keep on quoting gemorah and Rambam.....<br /><br />I would say you’re misquoting, applying selectively quotes not pertaining to the current events, and choosing to ignore it where it applies is …Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-16588771946081004702011-07-04T10:13:52.015-04:002011-07-04T10:13:52.015-04:00Time to do a little research and find out why peop...Time to do a little research and find out why people were affected by Haskala and Zionism.<br /><br />So easy to blame Zionism for all our ills, allows us not to reflect on our own sins and pass the blame unto others.<br /><br />RJT "deserves" credit for concocting a theory that has misled hundreds of thousands of Jews and at the same time given them a superiority complex that endangers all of us.<br /><br />With this he professed his love for klal yisroel while spewing his hate filled diatribe.Fed Up In Peorianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-68045612728824887992011-07-04T08:54:23.784-04:002011-07-04T08:54:23.784-04:00IWasOnce said...
Sorry to keep on quoting gemorah ...IWasOnce said...<br />Sorry to keep on quoting gemorah and Rambam.....<br /><br />I would say you’re misquoting, applying selectively quotes not pertaining to the current events, and choosing to ignore it where it applies is heresy maybe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com