tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post113503125943020355..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Our man in London - on his YohrtzeitHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-73260899678191813392011-12-14T11:00:52.507-05:002011-12-14T11:00:52.507-05:00When R"Chaim Gutnick was 18 years old he trav...When R"Chaim Gutnick was 18 years old he travelled to see the rebbe (rayatz),<br />he asked the rebbe if he can come to learn in tt and the rebbe said he should stay in telz,<br />the rebbe ) asked him how old he is he answered "18" then the rebbe tapped him on the shoulder and said to him "yungerman yungerman, when your father was your age he was boki in shas un poskim! vos iz mit dir?<br /><br />agav, there is a 2 page letter that the Rebbe wrote to the rebbe rayatz that he met RMZG at a asifas harabonim in europe (RMZG was a rov in Riga before he wnt to EY then England) the rebbe is telling the rebbe rayatz about the maylos of RMZGutnick (this letter is currently in aguchs libary but there is some copies "arum"<br /><br />also another reason we dont know to much about him is cause the rebbe instructed R MZG wife to burn all the letters that were sent to him after he was niftar!!!<br /><br />apparently they had a very close yachas in kamo oifanim....<br /><br />on london he was the rav haroshi whilst he was there....<br /><br />in the reasont igrus kodesh chelek 17 published by kehos there is a few letters there<br /><br />if you look at the toyarim the friediker rebbe titles him as they are very unique (ubifrat the rebbe raytz bchlal wrote big titles-fundesvegen his were unique! <br /><br />unfortunatley he is one of the chassidim that we dont know to much about but what we do know....YSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135281482858619612005-12-22T14:58:00.000-05:002005-12-22T14:58:00.000-05:00BP,Sorry to let you down, um, but... Moshe S.?BP,<BR/>Sorry to let you down, um, but... Moshe S.?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135272137039611032005-12-22T12:22:00.000-05:002005-12-22T12:22:00.000-05:00so maybe hate was a harsh word, but you get my poi...so maybe hate was a harsh word, but you get my point. The dislike for Hungarians proves to me, a proud Hungarian, that they must've done something right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135271089185447592005-12-22T12:04:00.000-05:002005-12-22T12:04:00.000-05:00No sinah to individual Jews from Hungary. On the ...No sinah to individual Jews from Hungary. On the contrary they are in many instances the last remnants of of East European Jewry. <BR/>By telling the truth historically about Hungarian Jewry. I do not believe I am expressing hate for them. Most were Neolog and assimilated , a minority remained frum until 1944.<BR/>You can fudge the facts but they remain facts.<BR/>To accuse Lithuanian Jews of being assimilated etc shows a complete lack of understanding of what Lithuanian jewry was all about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135262457038708592005-12-22T09:40:00.000-05:002005-12-22T09:40:00.000-05:00KurenitzerOne thing I can see, that even though yo...Kurenitzer<BR/><BR/>One thing I can see, that even though you're not a Lubavitcher, but the שנאה to the Hungarians stayed with you.<BR/><BR/>I could never understand that, never.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135229539935683382005-12-22T00:32:00.000-05:002005-12-22T00:32:00.000-05:00Kurenitzer:I remember speaking to a person who stu...Kurenitzer:I remember speaking to a person who studied in Otwock, he told me that his father was a Gerer chosid, he was a bright boy, but to get into Chachmei Lublin you had to be a genius almost all the other Polish yeshivas were in the style of a 'shtiebel' were boys gathered to learn.For him the next best thing after Yacha'l was Lubavitch.It was set up as a real yeshiva in the Litvishe style and the rosh yeshiva R'Yehuda Ebber was a big talmid chochom whose learning style was similar to R'Shimon Shkops'.When R'Shimon was in town for datcheh R'Ebber took his talmidim to meet him.This guys profile is similar to almost everyone elses there, bear in mind Lubavitch hardly had any chasidim in Poland at the time.R'Hendel and the others from Montreal are all the same.So is R'Weinberg from the tanya on the air.(i think he was from the Trisker chasidim, if I'm not mistaken he mentioned some vort from him leluy nishmas his father)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135212440912174362005-12-21T19:47:00.000-05:002005-12-21T19:47:00.000-05:001. The other candidate for the London rabbanus of ...1. The other candidate for the London rabbanus of the Chabad shul was none other than rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson or so I recall reading in KFAR CHABAD magazine.<BR/>2. The reason the Gutnick brothers went to Telz is because the Rosh Bais Din in London rav Yecheskel Abramsky became the apetropus of the 2 brothers and he urged their mother that they be sent to Telz.<BR/>3. Chodakovs 's wifes family the Shochats had an intimate relationship with Telz , but at that point they were not chasidim.<BR/>4. I recall Rabbi Chaim Schneur Gutnick speaking at my graduation in the Lubavitcher school in NH in 1964, he was clean shaven and well groomed, looked like the local MO rabbis.<BR/>I saw him again in 1971 at the Lag baomer parade in CH in full uniform as the chief chaplain of the Jewish religion of the state of Victoria (not Australia) with a full beard.<BR/>5. It is clear that after 1927 Anash outside of Russia rarely sent their sons to TTL in Warsaw. In the Polish Kressy (the area of White Russia that politically was Poland after WW1 ) most sons went to Lubavitch in Vilna and afterwards to the regular Lithuanian yeshivas. My cousins all went to Novhoradok in Semiatiz(Pinsk) .Warsaw (Otwock) was not for White Russian teen agers with certain exceptions.It was probably too "frum" in chitzoniuth for the Lubavitcher people in the Vilna area.It seems that the Rayaatz was only successful in establishing a TTL school in Poland where the students were mostly of Polish Chasidic stock. Attempts at a TTL in Vilna was only partially successful and attempts elsewhere were often not successful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135184386605241242005-12-21T11:59:00.000-05:002005-12-21T11:59:00.000-05:00“מה’ מצעדי גבר כוננו ומאחר שהוליכה אתכם ההשגחה העל...“מה’ מצעדי גבר כוננו ומאחר שהוליכה אתכם ההשגחה העליונה לאוסטרליה סימן שזהו מקומכם”. בהמשך המברק כותב אדמו”ר הריי”צ כי מאחר שסוף כל סוף תיגמר המלחמה, ואלפי יהודים יגיעו כפליטים לאוסטרליה,– יש לדאוג להכשיר את הקרקע לקראת בואם כדי שזו תהיה מקום תורה. “און מ’זאל קענען געפינען דעם אויבערשטן” [= שיוכלו למצוא את הקדוש ברוך הוא].Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135180824670544672005-12-21T11:00:00.000-05:002005-12-21T11:00:00.000-05:00vmlIch gedenk nit af di moment, I'll try to look i...vml<BR/><BR/>Ich gedenk nit af di moment, I'll try to look it up.<BR/><BR/>Binyomin Gorodetski was married to his daughter.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135152510966235082005-12-21T03:08:00.000-05:002005-12-21T03:08:00.000-05:00Hirshel, you are right, R'Shmuel has eyneeklach in...Hirshel, you are right, R'Shmuel has eyneeklach in Australia and seattle Washington for example.<BR/>How were his kids saved?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135152110674000982005-12-21T03:01:00.000-05:002005-12-21T03:01:00.000-05:00yes meyer is son of SG.yes meyer is son of SG.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135150126419672712005-12-21T02:28:00.000-05:002005-12-21T02:28:00.000-05:00abc - you didn't look hard enough.abc - you didn't look hard enough.Aussie Echohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058093027893196164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135148307927921562005-12-21T01:58:00.000-05:002005-12-21T01:58:00.000-05:00VMLno, no, no. Reb Shmuel was Rov in Rakshik, Lith...VML<BR/><BR/>no, no, no. Reb Shmuel was Rov in Rakshik, Lithuania. It was near Telz. He was here collecting money and was thus saved. He has and had many surviving children. <BR/><BR/>Aussies: is Meyer Gutnick the son of RSG?Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135146816612042302005-12-21T01:33:00.000-05:002005-12-21T01:33:00.000-05:00R'Sholom apparently has semicha from R'Elchonon Wa...R'Sholom apparently has semicha from R'Elchonon Wasserman.<BR/>I don't know which son of R'Shmuel Levitin it was, but it was in Telz,Lita.R'Shmuel lived in a town close to Telz.If I'm not mistaken, only R'Shmuel survived the war, by getting out with the Rayatz?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135134871070362062005-12-20T22:14:00.000-05:002005-12-20T22:14:00.000-05:00actually R sholom was at they yud tes kislev farbr...actually R sholom was at they yud tes kislev farbrangen last night, though i must say, i didn't notice aussieecho there...<BR/><BR/>R sholom is far from retired, as though he officially retired from his position at caulfield shule, i believe that in the absence of a rabbi he is carrying out the role of rabbi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135129268103811912005-12-20T20:41:00.000-05:002005-12-20T20:41:00.000-05:00Yes. R' Sholom has been a Lubavitcher and has affi...Yes. R' Sholom has been a Lubavitcher and has affiliated with Lubavitch for at least as long as his brother Chaim.<BR/><BR/>They have very different personalities. Chaim was always more outgoing and more of a "community" rabbi which is why people seem to know more about him.Aussie Echohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058093027893196164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135128660240666532005-12-20T20:31:00.000-05:002005-12-20T20:31:00.000-05:00aussieecho, hello!Is RSG affiliated with Lubavitch...aussieecho, hello!<BR/><BR/>Is RSG affiliated with Lubavitch at all?<BR/><BR/>Gut YomTovHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135122342481521362005-12-20T18:45:00.000-05:002005-12-20T18:45:00.000-05:00There is a long write up about RMZG in Bais Moshia...There is a long write up about RMZG in Bais Moshiach 208-209Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135121072773687202005-12-20T18:24:00.000-05:002005-12-20T18:24:00.000-05:00In order to clarify the first line of your post - ...In order to clarify the first line of your post - Rabbi MZ Gutnick had two sons: Chaim and Sholom. Rabbi Sholom Gutnick was rabbi at Caulfield Shule in Melbourne for many years and also Av Beis Din of the Melbourne Beis Din. He is now retired.<BR/>Rabbi Sholom is the image of his father. In fact when your web page opened I initially assumed that I was looking at a photo of R'Sholom.Aussie Echohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058093027893196164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135109336419656822005-12-20T15:08:00.000-05:002005-12-20T15:08:00.000-05:00VMLtry and keep to the information posted without ...VML<BR/><BR/>try and keep to the information posted without getting personal, because 2 can play that game, OK?<BR/><BR/>The reason the Rebbe Rashab created Yeshivas Tomchei Tmimim was that his Bochurim didn't have to go to the Litvishe Yeshivos (you want to say that he didn't mean Telz, then prove it). A tomim who was sent by the RR to Soviet Georgia to spread Yiddishkeit probably absorbed what he learned in YTT, some of which pertained to Misnagdim. I would like to think that he would've preferred that his son go to Lubavitch in Otwock without that making him a "partisan". If the rebbe agreed to it, then fine, it would be "OK" then, although אז מ'פרעגט איז טרייף<BR/><BR/>Which of Reb Shmuel's sons learned in Telz, and was it in Europe or the USA?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135108163057629892005-12-20T14:49:00.000-05:002005-12-20T14:49:00.000-05:00VMLVery good!RCG planned on leaving after the war ...VML<BR/><BR/>Very good!<BR/><BR/>RCG planned on leaving after the war was over when he saw that a group of yeshiva students that hehoped to start a Yeshivah with decided to leave Australia after the war. It was the FR that told him to stay, telling him that it's min hashomayim that he's there, and that he'll be needed there later. The rest is history....Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135107247594127312005-12-20T14:34:00.000-05:002005-12-20T14:34:00.000-05:00Avremel, please don't show your bigoted ignorance....Avremel, please don't show your bigoted ignorance.<BR/>Actually R'Chaim learned in a local yeshiva in London, either Chayei Oilom or Etz Chaim, which of course were not on the level of European yeshivas later on he travelled to Telz.At the time there was no friction between Chasidim or Misnagdim and London was no place to bring up kids with a chance for them being shomer shabbos yidden.Kfar Chabad claimed that the almono of R'Gutnick asked the RAYAT'Z if she should send him to Telz.<BR/>I happen to discount the stories of how partisan Chabad R'Mordechai Zev Gutnick was.He appears to have been a fine ehrlicheh person, but in the mold of once upon a time rabbonim who did not have the Lubavitch ubber alles syndrome.<BR/>R'Chaim Gutnick only became real Chabad many,many years later.In fact he only grew a beard around his daughter Peninas wedding!(She is R'Pinchas Feldmans wife from Sydney and close to 60)<BR/>R'Shmuel Levitins' son also studied in Telz and Telz actually had a shiur in Tanya!(which Chabad ubber allesyeshiva would have a shiur in Shiurei Da'as?)<BR/>In an interesting twist, I believe that R'C Gutnick was in Australia with Rebbetzen Dessler and kids,in a small group that was saved from Lita at the last minute and spent the war in AustraliaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135106892854577742005-12-20T14:28:00.000-05:002005-12-20T14:28:00.000-05:00This is true, but hindsight is 20/20.This is true, but hindsight is 20/20.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135103654453156952005-12-20T13:34:00.000-05:002005-12-20T13:34:00.000-05:00He was a 10-year-old orphan in London.The results ...He was a 10-year-old orphan in London.<BR/><BR/>The results of her decision were outstandingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1135094126663598582005-12-20T10:55:00.000-05:002005-12-20T10:55:00.000-05:00Interesing stuff here, Tzig. Which RY was there at...Interesing stuff here, Tzig. Which RY was there at the time?<BR/><BR/>וויי שיקט א חסידישע פרוי איר זון צו טעלז?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com