tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post115997855937360390..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Book Review - 'הרב מבריסק חלק ג (Part I)Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161737466058514052006-10-24T20:51:00.000-04:002006-10-24T20:51:00.000-04:00anonoh no, not in this book, he goes on and on for...anon<BR/><BR/>oh no, not in this book, he goes on and on for tens of pages about the evils of Zionism and its eventual downfall as an ideology. He even brings the Rebbe Rashab!Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161728392570946972006-10-24T18:19:00.000-04:002006-10-24T18:19:00.000-04:00meler (it seems like a yekkish name) in his other ...meler (it seems like a yekkish name) in his other book uvdes vhanhogoth he is not so fiesty on zionisim he has quite some liberal statements.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161564276263763012006-10-22T20:44:00.000-04:002006-10-22T20:44:00.000-04:00ShmuelYes, you're right, I just saw a pic of Melle...Shmuel<BR/><BR/>Yes, you're right, I just saw a pic of Meller in the Sukkos Mishpachah and was quite surprised! A closely trimmed beard, and no hanging Peyos!<BR/><BR/>The surprise is that I see a guy who seemingly has been totally taken over by Brisker theology, including pontificating about Zionism as the root of all evil. Therefore, I'm surprised that after all that he'll still choose to write about RSZB, his former Rosh Yeshivah, a RY in Chevron, the antithesis of Brisk so to speak.<BR/><BR/>I can see however that he remained very bound to Reb Simcha Zissel, which is to be commended.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161550308467210072006-10-22T16:51:00.000-04:002006-10-22T16:51:00.000-04:00Shmuelobviously I speak only of "בית הרב", they wo...Shmuel<BR/><BR/>obviously I speak only of "בית הרב", they would never allow others to follow the "Minhogim" because they then lose whatever supposed edge they have. לערנען קענען אלע, all they have is mystique.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161540924146052792006-10-22T14:15:00.000-04:002006-10-22T14:15:00.000-04:00I want to add to previous post.Tzig, your readersh...I want to add to previous post.<BR/>Tzig, your readership is mostly Lubavitch and American and typically don't have to much exposure to other 'chareidim' black hatters or whatever you want to call them, so to make things clear, the poster who said that Brisk is into all kinds of minutiae regarding their dress:Kasketen, then grey hats etc.This is only true on the family itself (which has bli ayin hora many kids)Brisk the yeshiva(s) looks much like Lakewood, large component of typical Flatbush looking boys ,shaven etc. with a very liberal sprinkling of chasidishe guys with the levush.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161538801027092092006-10-22T13:40:00.000-04:002006-10-22T13:40:00.000-04:00Tzig;Shimmy Meller is not an historian, so don't t...Tzig;<BR/>Shimmy Meller is not an historian, so don't take his books as torah misinai.He has written nice cute books with great pictures.<BR/>To give you some perspective:He is a relatively young man, about 41, and he started writing various books on Brisk about ten years ago, like the divrei torah on the parshah from R'Dovid Soloveichik.You remark that 'strangely enough he has also written a book about R'Simcha Zissel Broyde'-Since he learned in The Chevroner Yeshiva for a number of years, what is strange about writing a bio about his rosh yeshiva?Later on he studied by R'Dovid.<BR/>Btw, if you have the image in your head of Meller as a classic 'Brisker' groiseh peyos etc. you are mistaken.He is your regular yeshivah looking fellow.<BR/>You should also know that 'BRISK' with all the 'tzimmes' made out of it is an American phenomenon.Most of the best and brightest Israeli yeshiva boys are to be found in the established yeshivas such as Ponovizh and Chevron,and AFTER MARRIAGE the Mir. <BR/>When you mention that some rabbonim are 'ashamed' by their pictures in the book, surely you jest, you probably refer to them being shaven, a very common thing at the time that everyone knows about.<BR/>Btw, have you seen the book about R'Boruch Ber? The pictures are great, but again not exactly a 'history' book, also can someone tell israelis how to write and spell in yiddish!The yiddish quotes are so terrible that you need a translator to understand them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161374078644464712006-10-20T15:54:00.000-04:002006-10-20T15:54:00.000-04:00:):)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161356452614309422006-10-20T11:00:00.000-04:002006-10-20T11:00:00.000-04:00With the kids, (after I beat them Nusach Brisk) wi...With the kids, (after I beat them Nusach Brisk) without the kids, and everything in between. I'm an עניו so I won't go on about myself, but you get the point.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161351995691404612006-10-20T09:46:00.000-04:002006-10-20T09:46:00.000-04:00Pictures can be deceiving, especially with the bad...Pictures can be deceiving, especially with the bad lighting featured there. Not to toot my own horn; But if only you'd see what kind of הארעוואניע over Nigleh goes on at that table.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161311584331398222006-10-19T22:33:00.000-04:002006-10-19T22:33:00.000-04:00every pipsqueak goes around saying that he does wh...every pipsqueak goes around saying that he does what the Brisker Rov told him, and they end up making him look like a very confused fellow. even Rabbi Shach speaking in 1990, when he was justifying the 2 year-long hatefest that he had started (Degel HaTeyreh) also justified all his political moves and said that the BR knew that he went to vote in the Israeli elections און ער האט מיר קיינמאל גארניט געזאגט! איז א ראי' אז איך האב געמעגט! He also said it about going into the Moetzes, that the BR gave him the OK. I'm sure the Soloveitchiks were very happy about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161307613120114542006-10-19T21:26:00.000-04:002006-10-19T21:26:00.000-04:00If anybody thinks that Lubavitch has cult-like pra...If anybody thinks that Lubavitch has cult-like practices, you haven't seen Brisk. Everything from the silly Kaskets they wear, then the grey hats, then the black hats, then the black round hats, to the so-called traditions that have zero basis in Halochoh like eating on all Taneisim save for Yom Kippur and 9 Av to davenen Beyechidus, to burning their Matzos to a crisp. it's like it's some kind of voodoo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161298719490172382006-10-19T18:58:00.000-04:002006-10-19T18:58:00.000-04:00in brisk they are into believing that they are the...in brisk they are into believing that they are the matikie shmua from sinai(see hakdomas harambam) and reb velvel got it i from reb chaim and then reb berel and then AJ, eventough reb moshe was older then reb velvel and much greater goan,and in our times reb dovid, but the hashgacha elyono wanted the chain should go thru reb velvel so on and so on, awhile back M Gerlitz wrote about this briker belief system in a forword to reb chaim on bava metzia with some Kameneczki baba massai and then he was refuted in Yated,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161294934547584242006-10-19T17:55:00.000-04:002006-10-19T17:55:00.000-04:00I understand the turf war, although I don't unders...I understand the turf war, although I don't understand how AJ thinks he's the Mamshich when his uncles are (or were) still alive, especially a Zoken like Reb Dovid.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161288601513224082006-10-19T16:10:00.000-04:002006-10-19T16:10:00.000-04:00Lately brisk became like a chasidus meaning that t...Lately brisk became like a chasidus meaning that they imitate every stupid move of the Rov, and no changes can be be made, like R, avraham yeshoya doesnt speak on a microphone, because the father didnt talk, it is full of nonsense,the irony is, that reb chaim was the biggest revolutionary, in his style of learning and in his style of psak with no big loyalty to shulchan oruch, as klal yisroel was doing for genarations before him, and his family became so rigid, putting themselves in a box,<BR/><BR/>Tzvi, it looks like you are not getting it, the meller publications is part of a long soloveichik turf war between the uncle reb dovid and the nephew reb A J, the latter is big into being protective on the family clan and its secrets, only if you realy lick his .... he will throw you some snipets, the uncle is much more marure then this,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161277235163184122006-10-19T13:00:00.000-04:002006-10-19T13:00:00.000-04:00no Zez, I don't, I just don't understand why this ...no Zez, I don't, I just don't understand why this is important to write. From Meller's POV this is probably a הוראה that we're all meant to beat our children!Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161276648131298512006-10-19T12:50:00.000-04:002006-10-19T12:50:00.000-04:00HT - you now subscibe to political correctness and...HT - you now subscibe to political correctness and the thought police?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161276236341649502006-10-19T12:43:00.000-04:002006-10-19T12:43:00.000-04:00I can sit here all day and write, I just don't hav...I can sit here all day and write, I just don't have the time. Besides, there IS more to come. This is only part 1.<BR/><BR/>Have you ever seen anything like that in any of the recent biographies, where the author speaks of CP?<BR/><BR/>I really do think he does them a disservice.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1161276116000516092006-10-19T12:41:00.000-04:002006-10-19T12:41:00.000-04:00That's all you have to say about it? How about som...That's all you have to say about it? How about some of the teichen?<BR/><BR/>Also, why should they be so embarrased about use of corpral punnishment? Who didn't use it in those days?<BR/><BR/>And YOU think he did them a disservice by breaking the mystiqe? C'mon Hirshel, you must be kidding...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com