tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post1207465751671325931..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Utopian WishHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-18353151628607255842009-04-03T13:13:00.000-04:002009-04-03T13:13:00.000-04:00RABBI Harry Maryles is a frum guy and a mentsch. H...RABBI Harry Maryles is a frum guy and a mentsch. He is willing to point out flaws in all communities, INCLUDING HIS OWN. This a trait that you and others of your ilk lack. Anyone who attacks Chabad is automatically wrong in your eyes. Maybe it's time to start looking in the mirror and figuring out why there is so much opposition to so many parts of Chabad. I say this as someone who is tremendously moved by Chasidus, just not your kind.Pesach Sommerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05429802587338023317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-23757843484340234382009-03-26T21:02:00.000-04:002009-03-26T21:02:00.000-04:00Anonymous said... Maybe,Since the last time I saw ...Anonymous said... <BR/>Maybe,<BR/>Since the last time I saw the oorah and aish pamphlet I realized that the nice clean shaven boys of Lakewood are hanging out in houses to talk to women about " KIRUV" how much Torah do these peple have under their belt? Did the gedolim give a heter for these unkosher deeds,"<BR/><BR/>Those guys were single? They weren't yungerleit in ther mid twenties? Are they sitting by the stender for most of the day? <BR/><BR/>I am serious. I want to know if the Rebbe approved of it, and if so, what was the rational. Why can't you give a strait answer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-85795612191914379162009-03-23T22:17:00.000-04:002009-03-23T22:17:00.000-04:00Maybe,Since the last time I saw the oorah and aish...Maybe,<BR/>Since the last time I saw the oorah and aish pamphlet I realized that the nice clean shaven boys of Lakewood are hanging out in houses to talk to women about " KIRUV" how much Torah do these peple have under their belt? Did the gedolim give a heter for these unkosher deeds,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-80578498672545440332009-03-23T20:00:00.000-04:002009-03-23T20:00:00.000-04:00dead?lubabs dont do that...dead?<BR/>lubabs dont do that...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-9077139945927141482009-03-20T15:48:00.000-04:002009-03-20T15:48:00.000-04:00I didn't question an ehrenste yungerman who has le...I didn't question an ehrenste yungerman who has learning under his beal and has a geshmake in lehrnen, who goes out with his wife to a secular town.<BR/><BR/>I questioned those lacking any one of those aforementioned maylos <BR/><BR/>example: bachurim going over to prusta shiksas -on Madison Ave around Shkiya time- with a pusella set of Daled Minim and being as personal and amicable as a travelling salesman. <BR/><BR/>Is this behaviour (or any lacking the prerequisites) done with RMMS approval or not? If yes, what is the rational? <BR/><BR/>Where did your Rebbe draw the line?<BR/>I am sure he wouldn't allow them to go to times square, pre-Guliani, or stand outside a makum tumah. (Unless, it is not a nisayon, because they would be too young to gain admittance anyways)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-74934383901136320602009-03-20T14:54:00.000-04:002009-03-20T14:54:00.000-04:00I do not know him personally, contrary to his seem...<I>I do not know him personally, contrary to his seeming belief.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh... please. You have commented on my blog and I asked you if you were Gurevitzer a while back and you admitted it to me. Unless there are two Gurevitzers.Harry Maryleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09936405163453714823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-3044320478504858012009-03-20T13:17:00.000-04:002009-03-20T13:17:00.000-04:00"Is the spiritual Halachic and Heimishe level the ..."Is the spiritual Halachic and Heimishe level the same in Lubavaitch in 2009 as it was lets say in 1964 ?"<BR/><BR/>Come, come Schneur, is it ANYWHERE?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-82966058713654212472009-03-20T12:09:00.000-04:002009-03-20T12:09:00.000-04:00Mr. Marylis is a person who has no qualms about ex...Mr. Marylis is a person who has no qualms about exposing every sort of flaw he can possibly discover in another Jew - mostly Chareidim but he's an equal-opportunity basher for sure - and yet he feels bad when someone points out his ignorance.I guess it's no surprise but then again, it's interesting that he shows up this way. Hey Harry - stop the endless lashon harrah and rechilus on Klal Yisroel and maybe someone will be melamed zechus on you too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-79959013830296298642009-03-20T10:49:00.000-04:002009-03-20T10:49:00.000-04:00Mr Marylesyoour same distorted logic that brrought...Mr Maryles<BR/><BR/>yoour same distorted logic that brrought you to associate :guravitzer--gurewicz"is the one who brought you to your ridiculus opinion<BR/><BR/>Maybe is b/c tou saw the entry in wilki<BR/><BR/>"According to a Jewish legend, one of the Essenes, named Menachem, had passed at least some of his mystical knowledge to the Talmudic mystic Nehunya ben ha-Kanah,[57] to whom the Kabbalistic tradition attributes Sefer ha-Bahir and, by some opinions, Sefer ha-Kanah, Sefer ha-Peliah and Sefer ha-Temunah. Some Essene rituals, such as daily immersion in the Mikvah, coincide with contemporary Hasidic practices; some historians had also suggested, that name "Essene" is an hellenized form of the word "Hasidim" or "Hasin" ("pious ones"). However, the legendary connections between Essene and Kabbalistic tradition are not verified by modern historians."<BR/><BR/>you "forgot" to read the next paragraph<BR/><BR/>MODERN AND CONTEMPO ESSENES<BR/><BR/>Rev. Gideon Ousely, produced a book that he claimed was Essene in origin known as the Gospel of the Holy Twelve (which he claimed was translated from Essene texts hidden in a Tibetan monastery, and partially channeled to him by angels.)[citation needed] Dr. Edmund Bordeaux Szekely is another modern pseudo-Essene. These individuals assert that the Essene teachings had been hidden and assimilated into many mystical spiritual traditions around the world, where the teachings were hidden within ancient libraries. It was in 1928 that Edmond Bordeaux Szekely first published his translation of The Essene Gospel of Peace, a manuscript allegedly discovered in the Secret Archives of the Vatican and in old Slavonic in the Royal Library of the Habsburgs of which much was destroyed by a fire that destroyed the monastery that stood in its place. (now the property of the Austrian government) However, subsequent investigations into the claims of these individuals produced nothing to substantiate their stories. Biblical scholars don't consider the Szekely or Ousely writings as authentic.[citation needed]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-63030498704369556242009-03-20T09:26:00.000-04:002009-03-20T09:26:00.000-04:00As these comments are a technical extension of my ...As these comments are a technical extension of my guest post, I will only join for a moment to make clear that I wish Mr. Maryles and his family, especially his grandson who should have a refuah krova ushleima, health and parnassah from the full and open hand of the One above.<BR/><BR/>I consider Mr. Maryles to be a regular Jew, albeit one of unclear public thinking. I do not know him personally, contrary to his seeming belief.Guravitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09903833477421514457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-75309074759647059282009-03-19T20:35:00.000-04:002009-03-19T20:35:00.000-04:00Rabbi Maryles is a frum ehrlicher person. His blog...Rabbi Maryles is a frum ehrlicher person. His blog offers many people a place to think and talk about the charedi-MO interface, an important topic to many, both those who lean more to the yeshivish position and those who are on the MO side of the divide.As all readers of his blog know there is no shortage of vocal charedi critics in the comments. In fact the entire framework of the discussions back and forth lean more toward a strict Orthodox take on issues than to a MO point of view. It is true there aren't enough comments from a chasidic perspective, but that is because chasidim choose not to comment. Their pespective would easily fit into the conversation and would certainly be valued.<BR/><BR/>No blogger is perfect, most everyone has blind spots and most every one including the circle associated with this blog are not as empathic as they could be to points of view they see as wrong . To single out Rabbi Maryles is grossly unfair. To suggest that his personal family tragedy is a punishment for his opinions is just disgusting.evanstonjewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12339214545349794973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-65028350252454106512009-03-19T20:33:00.000-04:002009-03-19T20:33:00.000-04:00Maryles - malei rishus lelo seichel.He is not the ...Maryles - malei rishus lelo seichel.<BR/><BR/>He is not the only one with that name who has all kinds of krum views. His niece or cousin or something Elana Maryles is worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-54321318956218092292009-03-19T20:16:00.000-04:002009-03-19T20:16:00.000-04:00My, my my.This is quite revealing. I didn't know t...My, my my.<BR/><BR/>This is quite revealing. I didn't know there was so much 'love and understanding' by your friends about me. Except for one or two rather gallant defenders, almost every other comment was completely vile. And you Mr. 'Tzig' allowed this drivel?! You forget that I know who you are. And I could easily expose you. But don't worry, I won't do that.<BR/><BR/>I have never written one negative word about you nor would I even consider allowing others to do so. But you not only allowed it - you allowed unbelievably nasty comments to be made. <BR/><BR/>I have not written anything negative about Lubavitch in many months since there has been nothing to write about. But that doesn't stop Mr. Gurewicz from writing a most hateful essay.<BR/><BR/>I don't know where all his hate comes from. Maybe it's because I chided him a while back about sending his daughter to the Meshichist high school here - I don't know. But I will be sure to mention this to him next time I see him in the Lubavitch Shul here - Bnei Reuven where I Daven twice a day as the Shaliach Tzibur.<BR/><BR/>Be well and Good ShabbosHarry Maryleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09936405163453714823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-17759308379813013642009-03-19T20:09:00.000-04:002009-03-19T20:09:00.000-04:00Maybe, i thought you need mesiras nefesh for harbo...Maybe, <BR/><BR/>i thought you need mesiras nefesh for harbotzas torah? is harbotzas torah only Bava Kama? or a little basics is also considered Harbotzas torah? ask 1 of your gedolim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-28014999508191866522009-03-19T20:06:00.000-04:002009-03-19T20:06:00.000-04:00MaybeWhat right was Reb Chaim Berlin rov in moscow...Maybe<BR/><BR/>What right was Reb Chaim Berlin rov in moscow? wasn't Moscow by then 90% secular? or every Ungarischer Rov son became a rov in a small village with no minyan on weekdays, as long he had a official title?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-23576055764894268362009-03-19T19:50:00.000-04:002009-03-19T19:50:00.000-04:00DovidWere you in the shluchim office basement and ...Dovid<BR/>Were you in the shluchim office basement and you got your figures?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-2974714410319793882009-03-19T19:44:00.000-04:002009-03-19T19:44:00.000-04:00MaybeWhat right do people of the normal klal yisro...Maybe<BR/>What right do people of the normal klal yisroel go out of their homes every morning for business,<BR/>The Rebbes business was Nishmas Yisroel so he is sending people for his businessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-10429071361440697472009-03-19T18:18:00.000-04:002009-03-19T18:18:00.000-04:00"Well history has spoken , yes af ew lets say seve..."Well history has spoken , yes af ew lets say several thousand (10,000) joined Chabad and a few thousand more became Orthodox"<BR/><BR/>Schneur,I believe your figures are gross exxagerations.Maybe if you include the children and grandchildren etc will you get a 10 thousand figure.<BR/>A large percentage of Lubavitch is made up of Jews who were previously Frum, such as bal hablog and many of the now Lubavitch commentators.So the "inreach" was the greatest success.<BR/>Nonthelss,Lubavitch has done lots of kiruv and good things, though they have a tendency for demanding more credit than they deserve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-14323567464621004762009-03-19T17:13:00.000-04:002009-03-19T17:13:00.000-04:00question: What is the reason that Chabd places its...question: What is the reason that Chabd places its shiluchim in ostensibly (kifey sechel anushey) places of negative influences? What was the Rebbe's offical reason?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-32317421271425600312009-03-19T15:38:00.000-04:002009-03-19T15:38:00.000-04:00Which Shaliach tolerates Meriles in his shul, he p...Which Shaliach tolerates Meriles in his shul, he probably has the neshoma of reb Moshe Lieb Sasover, lets give him a PaanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-84850507051285078532009-03-19T15:34:00.000-04:002009-03-19T15:34:00.000-04:00Halacha? Lubavitch vs.Satmar Who is for the last 2...Halacha? Lubavitch vs.Satmar <BR/>Who is for the last 20 years in the secular court in the US and Loi olieni in the zionist Begatz?<BR/>Kids off the derech, I see lately too many Yoilies on the web thare totaly frie, so start counting your beans.<BR/>Hiemiskiet? has its levels, Kashrus I would say is the same, but Tzenius is definitly not the same but their are certain mailois to that in the Vieber shul and the Mener shul Vehmaivin YovinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-50650092383133796422009-03-19T14:55:00.000-04:002009-03-19T14:55:00.000-04:00>Is the spiritual Halachic and Heimishe level t...>Is the spiritual Halachic and Heimishe level the same in Lubavitch in 2009 as it was lets say in 1964 ?<<BR/><BR/>That's a misleading comparison. Lubavitch today is not cloistered, and spans the breadth from satmar to reform, to the eirev rav. Therefore, one can't speak about the "spiritual level" of Lubavitch as a single entity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64140081968413017992009-03-19T12:45:00.000-04:002009-03-19T12:45:00.000-04:00Ah. So you are upset that chabad talks to us shgot...Ah. So you are upset that chabad talks to us shgotzim. You want all chareidim to be equally xenophobic, obnoxious and intolerant. I get it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-87981382124428199362009-03-19T11:35:00.000-04:002009-03-19T11:35:00.000-04:00You are correct the Essenes are a group we do not...You are correct the Essenes are a group we do not know much about. For years it was assumed that they were celibate and even today many scholars assume that at the very least many Essenes were celibate. Obviously that's where Chazal came out against them.<BR/>They(Essenes) also had serious taanes aginst the establsihed order the Holy Temple including our calendar and other halachos. This is not speculation , but facts gleemd from their writings. Chazal were not in favor of sectarians no matter how "frum" they were. They also had halachic difference with Chazal' and thus this was another area which Chazal criticized them.By the way Josephus does mention the Essenes.<BR/>Finally its ironical that a Lubavitcher criticizes R. Maryles. While groups like the Skverer, Satmar, Kluizenberg, Visnitz,Nitra and Popa spent time and money isolating themselves from the ravages of the modern world and its temptations (both Jewish and non Jewish), Lubavitch thought it had the strength to invite these "temptaions" in the form of masses of secular Jews to their own living rooms and dining spaces for Shabbes thinking that They (CHabad) would influence them. If that was not enough rather than isolation from the Goyishe world, Chabad sent out hundreds of young men and women to these Goyishe places to live in that culture.<BR/>Well history has spoken , yes af ew lets say several thousand (10,000) joined Chabad and a few thousand more became Orthodox , yet at what price ? Is the spiritual Halachic and Heimishe level the same in Lubavaitch in 2009 as it was lets say in 1964 ?<BR/>Outreach can also be done without sacrificing one's own community !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-54752644436723786152009-03-19T11:29:00.000-04:002009-03-19T11:29:00.000-04:00He didn't says lubavitch hater, he said chareidi h...He didn't says lubavitch hater, he said chareidi hater. Lubavitchers are the most tolerable of the chareidim, because they are at least friendly most of the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com