tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post1771128317387575449..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Small Town, Big IdeasHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-15497725356685582682009-04-05T22:19:00.000-04:002009-04-05T22:19:00.000-04:00Maybe"No problem. You decide how we shat up gadlus...Maybe<BR/>"No problem. You decide how we shat up gadlus biToyrah and I am on"<BR/>my figures are done and decided, how about yours?<BR/><BR/>I all game. You get to start. Once your at it you can proove that he was greater than Rav Bengis, once you are going for all the post holocaust gedeylim<BR/><BR/>You are not MO, you are a Lubab and you shop in Beigeliesen.<BR/><BR/>"der alter of Benai Berak was street smart a good community organizer look at the political party he created,"<BR/><BR/>You bet. No one was better at oysshmeken. Most of the groups he destroyed agree to that and say 'he was right about everyone else, except us'Maybe A Litvaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-14947228746796627092009-04-05T22:10:00.000-04:002009-04-05T22:10:00.000-04:00"Shrewd and street smart the Rebbe was not and lik..."Shrewd and street smart the Rebbe was not and likewise he was not political savvy"<BR/><BR/>He knew it would have made a good photo op if he met with a respect Litvisher<BR/><BR/>"the professional haters like Maybe and his ilk are vilifying 24/7. so tell is this sinas am horetz letalmid chochom or what?"<BR/><BR/>There was a bachor in Nitra who learnt a vey cheshbones of the kikyon dyonah with his Rebbe, fifty years ago.<BR/>Your Rebbe never saw that shtickle and the oylem haemes he is looking into the heilgeh tent of that buchor and mir luzt ehm nisht areynMaybe A Litvaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-34171335342914567672009-04-05T13:44:00.000-04:002009-04-05T13:44:00.000-04:00snag(is it mutar to call someone with such an appe...snag<BR/>(is it mutar to call someone with such an appellation?) I owe you a response. Being busy with giving out matzos and getting Jews to attend a seder, does not allow me the luxury. BL"N after pesach I will try to find an appropriate post in which to respond.מענדלnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-76487556807358339162009-04-03T18:21:00.000-04:002009-04-03T18:21:00.000-04:00Hirshel I was at Biegeleisen and I saw probably 35...Hirshel <BR/>I was at Biegeleisen and I saw probably 35 seforim on the subject of Kidush Hachama from every crowd and chug, No Rebbe or rov has a biur on the meat and potatoes of the subject, its all toirelech upon toirelech. But 1 Rebbe discussd the shitas of Shmuel and Reb Ada and the rambam in Kidush Hachodesh, that was the Rebbe, the professional haters like Maybe and his ilk are vilifying 24/7. so tell is this sinas am horetz letalmid chochom or what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-26005398691584966732009-04-03T18:00:00.000-04:002009-04-03T18:00:00.000-04:00oy! the gehennom I'll get for allowing these comme...oy! the gehennom I'll get for allowing these comments about the Rebbe through...Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-72932276673191244232009-04-03T17:59:00.000-04:002009-04-03T17:59:00.000-04:00Maybe"No problem. You decide how we shat up gadlus...Maybe<BR/>"No problem. You decide how we shat up gadlus biToyrah and I am on"<BR/>my figures are done and decided, how about yours?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-30032505043497819992009-04-03T17:57:00.000-04:002009-04-03T17:57:00.000-04:00"I have no doubt about that. He was very shrewd an..."I have no doubt about that. He was very shrewd and politically savvy." <BR/>Shrewd and street smart the Rebbe was not and likewise he was not political savvy,der alter of Benai Berak was street smart a good community organizer look at the political party he created,<BR/>The Rebbe was a intelectual fanatic with Emuna Peshuta of a Yidishe Babey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-51028924680293044592009-04-03T13:02:00.000-04:002009-04-03T13:02:00.000-04:00"Nu, you answered your own question...the only iss..."Nu, you answered your own question...the only issues are the Breidkeit of the Pleitzes and Veitkeit Fun Der Kook. Madison Ave or Pennsilvannia Ave or Lee Ave or Kharson circa 1919 are not the issue."<BR/><BR/>Reb Yid, bisichley hakuten, I don't understand you.<BR/><BR/>I want to know what was the justification for sending these bachurim there?<BR/><BR/>My guess, is something like<BR/>a) they will be protected due to the mitzvah<BR/>b) it is worth it to give up your own ruchiniyus for yenem's.<BR/><BR/>To be shoykel these issues fudertzach breyter platzes. <BR/>But what was the rational?Maybe A Litvaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-83608528361478139002009-04-03T11:59:00.000-04:002009-04-03T11:59:00.000-04:00"They are essentially one topic. The meshaleyach i..."They are essentially one topic. The meshaleyach is responsible for the shiliach's action"<BR/><BR/>Nu, you answered your own question...the only issues are the Breidkeit of the Pleitzes and Veitkeit Fun Der Kook. Madison Ave or Pennsilvannia Ave or Lee Ave or Kharson circa 1919 are not the issue.bpunboundnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-4769281413264880502009-04-03T00:31:00.000-04:002009-04-03T00:31:00.000-04:00'MaybeHe was more the RAV then Shach a Maran,nobod...'Maybe<BR/>He was more the RAV then Shach a Maran,<BR/>nobody ever wrote on him that he is Rashbi as the great goan Reb Mordechai Gross wrote on Maran'<BR/><BR/>So call him The Rebbe and make evryone happy.<BR/><BR/>'Maybe<BR/>He was friendly with many people even he never met them in his gan eden hatachton, You know it but your evil blindness will never admit it'<BR/><BR/>I have no doubt about that. He was very shrewd and politically savvy. <BR/>Sometimes, a political figure becomes so used to being in the limelight that he can slip and say something he will regret. Those instances are more revealing than hours of public speaches, books etc. <BR/>Ich geb aych a bayshpeil"<BR/>Yossel dr PlumberMaybe A Litvaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-55800277536141208942009-04-02T19:42:00.000-04:002009-04-02T19:42:00.000-04:00"You switched perspectives, midstream. The discuss..."You switched perspectives, midstream. The discussion was focused on the Meshaleach, not the Shliach."<BR/><BR/>They are essentially one topic. The meshaleyach is responsible for the shiliach's action<BR/><BR/>"I am no Mo but I am ready to debate it 24/7 The uncle is no comparison to the gadlus in torah"<BR/><BR/>No problem. You decide how we shat up gadlus biToyrah and I am on<BR/>(Yiras Shamoyim is obvious, good thing you kept it to Teyreh)Maybe A Litvaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-84348099618544199282009-04-02T18:56:00.000-04:002009-04-02T18:56:00.000-04:00MaybeI am no Mo but I am ready to debate it 24/7 T...Maybe<BR/>I am no Mo but I am ready to debate it 24/7 The uncle is no comparison to the gadlus in torah, I am not talking Yiras Shomaim only hashem knowsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-30841532626799889222009-04-02T18:54:00.000-04:002009-04-02T18:54:00.000-04:00MaybeHe was more the RAV then Shach a Maran,nobody...Maybe<BR/>He was more the RAV then Shach a Maran,<BR/>nobody ever wrote on him that he is Rashbi as the great goan Reb Mordechai Gross wrote on MaranAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-47897740137114770532009-04-02T18:51:00.000-04:002009-04-02T18:51:00.000-04:00MaybeHe was friendly with many people even he neve...Maybe<BR/>He was friendly with many people even he never met them in his gan eden hatachton, You know it but your evil blindness will never admit itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-20164561141895793702009-04-02T10:16:00.000-04:002009-04-02T10:16:00.000-04:00"One is mesiras nefesh kipshutoy and the other one..."One is mesiras nefesh kipshutoy and the other one is a degree of fakalyadkeyt"<BR/><BR/>You switched perspectives, midstream. The discussion was focused on the Meshaleach, not the Shliach.<BR/><BR/>"You bet in needs big pleytzus to give the ok on such a thing."<BR/><BR/>On that we all agree.bpunboundnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-67274493231268603642009-04-02T08:50:00.000-04:002009-04-02T08:50:00.000-04:00"including his great uncle of Yerushalem"I agree t..."including his great uncle of Yerushalem"<BR/><BR/>I agree that it was disrepectful; despite the churban that he is responsible for. <BR/><BR/>Even R'Zaks did not appreciate when people referred to him as that.<BR/><BR/>You should have omitted that statement. It belies of ignorance and of unhealthy and unrealistic hero worship that is unbecoming an intelligent person. <BR/><BR/>The MO are like Chabad in this respect. Look how many times they say 'the Rav' in one paragraph. (I am referring to an acadamic discussion, not a newspaper/PR rant)Maybe A Litvaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-61606195223419324002009-04-02T05:47:00.000-04:002009-04-02T05:47:00.000-04:00"Maybewhat makes you think that the Rebbe would no..."Maybe<BR/>what makes you think that the Rebbe would not get along with the CI if he would meet him in person?"<BR/><BR/>I am sure that if re requested a yechidus, the Rebbe would have been proud to oblige.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, it ticked people off that I said that they got along. It was obvious that they found it hard to believe. No Litvak would. I wonder what fallacies in their educational system would foster such a notion.Maybe A Litvaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-6298366412467201492009-04-02T03:08:00.000-04:002009-04-02T03:08:00.000-04:00MaybeDid you play in 1 sandbox with Jay Bee? why a...Maybe<BR/>Did you play in 1 sandbox with Jay Bee? why are you Mechane shem ra for a godal betorah, its pure sinas am horatz letalmud chochem, he was beyond beyond in torah more then every talmud chochom after WW11 including his great uncle of Yerushalem, his knowledge was more then the first 7 pages of the 7 yeshivesher masectas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-21863894012801425862009-04-01T17:54:00.000-04:002009-04-01T17:54:00.000-04:00JB loved saying over the old Litvike adage of frum...JB loved saying over the old Litvike adage of frum vey der galoch, mehr muz zeyn ehrlcuh<BR/><BR/>"Is there a difference in (his son) sending shluchim out in 1920's, 1930's in Communist Russia to certain death at the hand of the yevsektzia and sending, as you say, Bochurim to 'Madison Ave'?"<BR/><BR/>Yes. One is mesiras nefesh kipshutoy and the other one is a degree of fakalyadkeyt.<BR/><BR/>Those bachorim on Madison Ave looked fried as many Lubab bachorim look like. You bet in needs big pleytzus to give the ok on such a thing.Maybe A Litvaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-71920234398036423762009-04-01T12:51:00.000-04:002009-04-01T12:51:00.000-04:00" מענדל said... frum vi as misnaged means that the..." מענדל said... <BR/>frum vi as misnaged means that the frume misnagdim were very nitpicky (kamuvan that chassidim ascribe negative reasons for this misnagidshe farkvetchtkeit such as ga'ava etc.) and the rebbe rashab was also a very big medakdek." <BR/><BR/>Yaser keyach Mendel, you shed some more light here on the matter. <BR/><BR/>Basically you are saying that she said the RR was a big medakdek, like misnagdim, even though, of course, with your bias, you have to put a negative spin on it re misnagdim, using the expressions nitpickiness and farkvetchtkeit, while using the positive word 'medakdek' when it comes to RR, even though his mother used the same word for both the RR and Misnagdim (the word frum).<BR/><BR/>Limayseh, the implication from the saying remains that the Chassidim as a whole were not midakdeik, so she needed to go to misnagdim for a dugma to illustrate his daykonus.<BR/><BR/>"The chiluk is that the misnagdim hoben gehat a kalter davenen and a varime essen, and the rebbe rashab (to quote the rest of the vort) davened like a lubavitcher, and ate like a poilisher (very little)."<BR/><BR/>At first I thought you were going to say that RR had a vareme davenen and a kalte essen.<BR/><BR/>So Paylishe eat very little? Less than Lubavitchers? Vos iz pshat? She couldn't say he had a vareme davenen because Lubavitchers don't stress outward emotion in davening I guess.<BR/><BR/>On another note - Hirshel - article for you in heintige zeitung - NY Times - "How I Learned To Love Goat" (page D1).snagnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-14009655984184412352009-04-01T11:50:00.000-04:002009-04-01T11:50:00.000-04:00"Would he have sent bachurim on Madison Ave?"Is th..."Would he have sent bachurim on Madison Ave?"<BR/><BR/>Is there a difference in (his son) sending shluchim out in 1920's, 1930's in Communist Russia to certain death at the hand of the yevsektzia and sending, as you say, Bochurim to 'Madison Ave'?<BR/><BR/>Both require Breyte Pleitzes and a Vaiter Kook.<BR/><BR/>Re: R' Chaim, they worked hand in hand in guiding the Yiddin in Russia through the trying period of the first 2 decades of the twentiath Century. They also, in concert, were against joining Agudah. They were very close, in spirit and thought. All documented in letters.bpunboundnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-10380503822993802392009-04-01T11:40:00.000-04:002009-04-01T11:40:00.000-04:00The vertel that "a galach iz frum a Yid iz erlich"...The vertel that "a galach iz frum a Yid iz erlich" is not from the Chafetz Chaim its a folk saying among Lithuanian Jews. The late writer in the Algemeiner Reb Zvi Kolitz always quot.ed this saying. It maybe that the CC used it but it did not originate with him . he had more important things to do.<BR/>MY rebbe and rav Rav Shimen Romm ZT"L Rosh at RIETS once told me "haynt is nitto an untersheyd zwischen die galochim und die rabbonim ... die galochim teigen sein eych nit ...schneurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-60970212113130518142009-04-01T02:49:00.000-04:002009-04-01T02:49:00.000-04:00frum vi as misnaged means that the frume misnagdim...frum vi as misnaged means that the frume misnagdim were very nitpicky (kamuvan that chassidim ascribe negative reasons for this misnagidshe farkvetchtkeit such as ga'ava etc.) and the rebbe rashab was also a very big medakdek. The chiluk is that the misnagdim hoben gehat a kalter davenen and a varime essen, and the rebbe rashab (to quote the rest of the vort) davened like a lubavitcher, and ate like a poilisher (very little).מענדלnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-7019487610303245032009-04-01T01:08:00.000-04:002009-04-01T01:08:00.000-04:00Maybewhat makes you think that the Rebbe would not...Maybe<BR/>what makes you think that the Rebbe would not get along with the CI if he would meet him in person?<BR/>Did Shimmi Meler the offical biographer of "chatzar haodesh"Brisk write about it? or u heard in a shmuess from AJ ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-319215457562271602009-03-31T22:59:00.000-04:002009-03-31T22:59:00.000-04:00"In Lithuania -White Russia the term frum did not ..."In Lithuania -White Russia the term frum did not mean observant it meant devoutly religious "<BR/><BR/>Alon these lines, the Chofetz Chaim used to say " Ah Galach muz zin frum, a Yid muz zine ehrlich".Twistelton-Twisteltonnoreply@blogger.com