tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post2715937379679491348..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: When Rav Moshe Feinstein, zt"l, tried to save Crown Heights - at the behest of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, זצוקללה"ה נבג"מ זי"עHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-10599091225337628832019-06-02T20:32:09.079-04:002019-06-02T20:32:09.079-04:00See announcement of the rally in The Jewish Press ...See announcement of the rally in The Jewish Press here - https://twitter.com/joeyaesq/status/1135037171717591046<br /><br />P.S. Can you repost the audio somehow, or otherwise make it available to intereted parties, as the old links don't seem to do so anymore?<br /><br />Thanks!Rally info in newspapernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-13687983178094915662011-06-22T12:33:21.813-04:002011-06-22T12:33:21.813-04:00IT is important not to confuse wishful thinking, P...IT is important not to confuse wishful thinking, Publicity releases and hype with the real facts on the ground and I am speaking about the Lower East Side. Anyone who was even remotely familiar with Jewish life there in the 1960's knows the truth.And they know the direction things are going.<br />On the same subject I am reminded of smaller Orthodox communities advertising for new settlers. they state the comunity has a day school (actually located in an ajacent communtiy 20 miles away) ahigh school (located 50 miles away) it has kosher shopping (ditto , or a super market with a large selection of standard OU products Empire frozen meat packaged baked goods etc) a Torah enviorement (should read a small group of MO families) excellent rabbinic leadership (should read a YU rabbi who stays for 2 years and leaves at th end) an active Chabad house (should read that has services once a week)<br />I guess genaivas Daas is not important !schneurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-48078825658051274942011-06-22T12:28:21.573-04:002011-06-22T12:28:21.573-04:00Anon
"Why did R'Shlomo get on so well wit...Anon<br />"Why did R'Shlomo get on so well with the Rayatz and Rashag but had nothing to do with Dor Shvii ?"<br />Can you still ask the Bobover? please ask because I am losing sleep on it.<br />I assume that he held a Shtriemel makes a Rebbe, since that is the reason the he and his father and his son are Rebbes.<br />So how can u be a rebbe with a Kniech. He has a strong point, don"t you think so?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-77219345083103543472011-06-22T12:23:42.148-04:002011-06-22T12:23:42.148-04:00Arthur #3
You are wrong about Asie Lecho Rav, it m...Arthur #3<br />You are wrong about Asie Lecho Rav, it means a local Rebbe with a local approachAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-55097864354145228722011-06-22T12:21:19.470-04:002011-06-22T12:21:19.470-04:00Anon
"Well Reb Tzig, can anyone elaborate on ...Anon<br />"Well Reb Tzig, can anyone elaborate on the reason Bobov left ??"<br />Did you hear from your Tati that CH was a crime ridden Neighborhood and all the Jews left to other neighborhoods?<br />What exactly are you asking?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-21887664381410122011-06-22T12:02:55.584-04:002011-06-22T12:02:55.584-04:00Whoops!I let the cat out of the bag by mistakenly ...Whoops!I let the cat out of the bag by mistakenly using the name of my "alter ego".Anon3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-72235663225630591352011-06-22T11:55:13.932-04:002011-06-22T11:55:13.932-04:00"Anon3 where in shulchan aruch does it say th..."Anon3 where in shulchan aruch does it say that Rav means Manhig in the context?"<br />I did say "in my humble opinion". I didn't intend it to be the definitive meaning of the word but in any case a manhig we're still lacking.Arthurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-87513208249533617182011-06-22T11:31:56.282-04:002011-06-22T11:31:56.282-04:00surprised that no mention is even made here about ...surprised that no mention is even made here about the one that actually kept Chovevei Torah going all the years it was the indefatigable Rabbi Dr. Avrohom Yitzchok Wolf a"h a true tzadik that stuck it out!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-51560313366142818662011-06-22T09:12:34.949-04:002011-06-22T09:12:34.949-04:00Anon3 where in shulchan aruch does it say that Rav...Anon3 where in shulchan aruch does it say that Rav means Manhig in the context? I can't recall this as the meaning of Rav Hamuvhak in hilchos kvod talmidei chachomim. In point of fact for most people it is actually seforim these days!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-25980991545102729572011-06-22T03:24:53.783-04:002011-06-22T03:24:53.783-04:00Anonymous 9:30 PM
I understand and empathize with ...Anonymous 9:30 PM<br />I understand and empathize with most of your above view.However we do have the dictum of "aseh lecho rav".In my humble opinion,without going into the etymology of the word "rav", the definition of the word is a true manhig Yisroel,not necessarily a Rosh Yeshiva of which we have a plethora.<br />A true manhig is one who is not parochial and myopic but is concerned with the welfare,both physical and spiritual,of every single Jew of no matter what flavor or background.There were such individuals in the recent past but, alas, no such being exists anymore.What we have are the self appointed "Gedolai Yisroel",the hucksters whose concern is perpetuating their own existence and don't or can't see beyond their own daled amos.And we,the blind mice,follow them because they represent the fairly new coined title,"Das Torah",a term that was never really part of the Jewish lexicon.<br />We are truly a dor yosom and umitzapim leyishuah,the sooner the better.Anon3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-24094462157145627462011-06-22T01:48:07.491-04:002011-06-22T01:48:07.491-04:00Well Reb Tzig, can anyone elaborate on the reason ...Well Reb Tzig, can anyone elaborate on the reason Bobov left ??<br /><br />Why did R'Shlomo get on so well with the Rayatz and Rashag but had nothing to do with Dor Shvii ?<br /><br />It is not because of his opinion on Eretz Yisrael (as Satmar did) ???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-68820523146392777632011-06-22T01:05:54.786-04:002011-06-22T01:05:54.786-04:00Rabbi Koppelman z"l said:
"And in truth...Rabbi Koppelman z"l said:<br /><i><br />"And in truth their prime minister, (Begin) is no leader. Where did he learn? Where are his tefilin? He is really from the worst of the worst; He was educated among criminals and murderers (the terrorist movement in the time of the British mandate-Ed.) and it is unbelievable that religious Jews flatter him and are friendly to him. He is responsible for the thousands and tens of thousands of Jewish souls lost to Torah. Who is responsible if not the prime minister? Thus, he resembles the wicked Titus; he is worse than the wicked Haman, because Haman attempted only physical annihilation, whereas he has caused thousands and tens of thousands to forsake their religion."<br /></i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-27443227041332257702011-06-21T23:02:13.563-04:002011-06-21T23:02:13.563-04:00Hate to be off topic, But, I wanted to know if you...Hate to be off topic, But, I wanted to know if you could confirm or deny this story He tells in this Lecture about the Schnerson family in Australia and what happened in the end In this shiur about 30 minutes in<br /><br /><br />http://www.torahanytime.com/scripts/media.php?file=media/Rabbi/Mordechai_Becher/2011-06-20/From_Cairo_to_Cambridge_Part_2_or_3_The_Life_of_Maimonides/Rabbi__Mordechai_Becher__From_Cairo_to_Cambridge_Part_2_of_3_The_Life_of_Maimonides__2011-06-20.wmvAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-21687923797730636072011-06-21T21:30:37.680-04:002011-06-21T21:30:37.680-04:00Anon3: Most American educated Hassidim and haredim...Anon3: Most American educated Hassidim and haredim sound infantile and that includes Hassidim and "yeshivishe" types. That's because the Yeshivahs they attend are centers for propaganda and indoctrination.They do not foster individuality and critical thought.On the other hand,the better public schools and certainly most prep schools do foster the development of independent thought.You will also find that the graduates of secular or MO schools are far more advanced in interpersonal skills as well.A lot of the ad hominem attacks on this and other Haredi web sites prove my point. The fact is that most of these commenters are simply unable to form a sentence that is not a personal attack but is based on "arguing the facts."That's the state of affairs in the Haredi world today.Every time a frum spokesman goes on TV,we have to hide from "shande" esp. the Hassidic PR experts.I remember hearing a certain well known Hassidic spokesman tell a reporter on TV that a certain Hasidic personality accused of wrongdoing could not go to jail because"he had younger children who were not yet married." The reporter was extremely "impressed" by that line of reasoning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-13892594796652246152011-06-21T20:11:30.207-04:002011-06-21T20:11:30.207-04:00Shea
"Just for the record:There were many tim...Shea<br />"Just for the record:There were many times the amount of people at the levaya than on gimmel tammuz".So what?<br />Just for the record:There were many times the amount of people at the past popes levaye than any godol's levaye so what do numbers prove?Stop with the "my daddy is stronger then your daddy" shtick.You sound infantile.Anon3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-60516594479556438642011-06-21T20:06:06.185-04:002011-06-21T20:06:06.185-04:00What is it with this 'zkan rosh yeshivah"...What is it with this 'zkan rosh yeshivah" business?? I am sure Rav Koppelman was a lovely Rosh Yeshivah, but how was he any greater than any other Rosh Yeshivah outside of his advanced age? Does the new "zkan rosh hayeshivos" now automatically assume some sort of heightened stature simply because of his age, too? I think most non-Yeshivish types find this whole concept of gadlus, simply based on age or yeshivah enrollment laughable at best. Where is the lamdus and Gaonus a "Rosh Yeshivah" of enormous stature is supposed to produce? People here keep asking for something beyond his age and no one has anything to produce.<br /><br />The bottom line is: not one major Lithuanian Rosh Yeshivah alive today can point to any chiddushim or s'forim that remotely resemble the output of the leading Gaonim of previous generations. I dare you. Name the sefer. Can the supporters of Rosh Yeshivas of Mir or BMG or Brisk or any other "top" Yeshivah refer me to something that would cause talmidim in 30 or 40 years to jump at their name???<br /><br />PS - who is the new "Zkan Rosh Hayeshivos"? Where I can I sign up to his fan club??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-69579175671923400832011-06-21T16:50:57.006-04:002011-06-21T16:50:57.006-04:00Hirshel,
I searched Shturem.net in Hebrew and COL ...Hirshel,<br />I searched Shturem.net in Hebrew and COL IN Hebrew, both make no mention of the passing of Harav Koppelman, Zkan Roshei Hayeshiva.<br />Since this was headline news on ALL the other FRUM SITES SUCH AS Bechadrei Chareidim ,which had a live hook up.Additionally there were many thousands of people at the levaya.I will have to tell you with the deepest disgust, that by Lubavitch there is absoloutely no respect fo chshuveh rabbonim, and you "defending" this charade shows that A)yOU ARE A MISERABLE LIAR .b)YOU ARE SHAYTACH TO THE SITRA achraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-66873377086900662162011-06-21T16:48:04.084-04:002011-06-21T16:48:04.084-04:00Rav Koppelman zt''l had some connection wi...Rav Koppelman zt''l had some connection with Reb Nissen zt'l back in Tashkent.yoshe kalbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-78388122788053151342011-06-21T15:26:26.328-04:002011-06-21T15:26:26.328-04:00Is the Perlmutter bakery still open?Is the Perlmutter bakery still open?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-81146172702688580692011-06-21T15:12:23.207-04:002011-06-21T15:12:23.207-04:00If the Orthodox population of the LES is stable , ...If the Orthodox population of the LES is stable , then there were few Orthodox Jews to begin with there evn in 1960.<br />--<br />That is correct. By 1960 only older frum Jews, mostly forgotten, were left. Their frei children lived in the suburbs and came to visit until it was time to throw the old folks in nursing homes or send them to Florida.<br /><br />Frum stores on the LES served visitors more than locals. I'd even say that about Noah's Ark restaurant today (if it is still there; I hope it is not as they agreed to the Tav haYosher nonsense.). By the 70's, most of the stores were run by people from Brooklyn anyway - like Reb Nosson Gurary AH and Reb Leibel Bistritzky zol gezunt zayn from CH, lots of Israelis, and some Willy and BP types.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-21193068732730388432011-06-21T15:00:16.267-04:002011-06-21T15:00:16.267-04:00Binyamen
"With Williamsburg booming on the ot...Binyamen<br />"With Williamsburg booming on the other side of the bridge who needs seforim stores on the LES?"<br />I heard the ladies ritual bath in LES has frequent visitors from Willi, by women who don't do the triple zero haircuts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-10029703276447864862011-06-21T14:47:28.099-04:002011-06-21T14:47:28.099-04:00Schneur
Was Reb Moshe not consulted on Aguda matte...Schneur<br />Was Reb Moshe not consulted on Aguda matters by Sherer, the Agudas Israel was the pulpit for the Yeshiva world.<br />Was Reb Moshe not involved in Chinuch Atzmai?<br />Who were the decisive voices on the roundtabe issue that got RJBS officially alienated from the yeshiva world? Reb Moshe took a very extreme stance on the reform conservative movements. His pesaks rings like a Hungarian peasak of Reb Chaim Sofer or the Mharam Schick?<br />Maybe I am wrong, I am ready to listenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-54955461936516745972011-06-21T14:46:06.337-04:002011-06-21T14:46:06.337-04:00Schneur,
I"m not pr'ing the Lower East Si...Schneur,<br />I"m not pr'ing the Lower East Side.Nachum Segal does a fine enough job.<br />It has all that a community needs, schools, shuls on a small and stable scale.<br /><br />Btw, Gertels the bakery closed down a couple of years ago.But, anyway the eateries were not for the locals and with the frum store owners and clientele no longer around there was less need.The frum business owners did not live on the LES for the most part.<br /><br />With Williamsburg booming on the other side of the bridge who needs seforim stores on the LES?<br /><br />I don't live on the LES but I daresay it's frum population from the late 60's early 70's is not much changed.<br />Washington Heights has tons of frum singles as a affordable, stable Jewish neighborhood.<br /><br />Anyway, the argument in Crown Heights was over the crime situation, leaving the remaining Jews in harms way, which was not an issue in the co-ops on the LES.Binyaminnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-58554793213202669612011-06-21T14:45:23.109-04:002011-06-21T14:45:23.109-04:00It seems to me that there is a concerted effort by...It seems to me that there is a concerted effort by one or two Lubavitcher bloggers to stifle any dissent on this blog by immediately labelling any anti-Lubavitch comment as being "unbecoming" to this blog. The fact is that the "Lubavitcher Issue" is what drives this blog and is why people visit the site. If anything needs to be done it is the elimination of ALL personal insults on this blog and all commenters should be required to stick to comments that are free of insults of a personal nature.The answer isn't censorship;it is setting down NO INSULT groundrules and enforcing them.Free Speechnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-36301951593039084092011-06-21T14:32:40.351-04:002011-06-21T14:32:40.351-04:00In the 1950's -1970's the poskim for Ameri...In the 1950's -1970's the poskim for American Jewry were rav Moshe and Rav Henkin on an even basis.<br />The manhigim the "hoge deaos" were the follwoing 4 men : the Lubavitcher Rebbe Rabbi MM Schneersohn, the RAv Rabbi DR. Yosef Soloveitchik, Rabbi Aron Kotler<br /> and the Satmarer rebbe who represented a tiny group of people in those days.The Rav and the Lubavitcher rebbe were highly regarded by the masses of American orthodox Jew in an era before there were many Bnai Torah peopel and Chassidim of the Hungarian stripe. Reb Moshe was a posek but not the hoge deos. Let me site an example , prayer in public school , that was a serious issue that American orthodoxy looked for guidance from the Rebbe and the Rav not from Rav Moshe or the satamrer rebbe ore even reb Aaron.On mechizos rav Moshe was the MAN becuase it was mostly a halachic issue not public policy.Yet Soviet Jewry was an issue the Rebbe and the Rav were sought out as it was a matter of public policy. Of course others made their psoitions clear too.In amny cases it ws the Rebbe who was the only one to take a clear stand and offer clear cut guidance to the American community. that is just a fact not my own version of lubavitcher propoganda.<br />You are probably too young to remember the attempt by Rav PM Teitz and Rav Yankev to start a new rabbinic group to take over from the Agudas Horabbonim whose president Reb Moshe was.because they felt that R. Moshe was being used by various forces for their own purposes and was de facto not a leader.The organization failed , but it shows that even in his own rabbinic and early yeshiva community Rav Moshe was regarded as a zaddik, gaon and posek achron , but not amnhig.schneurnoreply@blogger.com