tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post2723833378930830570..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Readers Write...Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-83909226827396230592014-01-29T16:05:54.972-05:002014-01-29T16:05:54.972-05:00http://www.shturem.org/index.php?section=artlesson...http://www.shturem.org/index.php?section=artlesson&id=933נייטיקhttp://www.shturem.org/index.php?section=artlesson&id=933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-60137263329037385322014-01-28T17:36:08.649-05:002014-01-28T17:36:08.649-05:00@Sruly.
You're a funny one.
The Lubavitchers i...@Sruly.<br />You're a funny one.<br />The Lubavitchers in the comments are trying to have a rational argument.<br />The ones arguing back are the ones writing things such as "Should you ever choose to rejoin mainstream orthodox Judaism" and not responding to the arguments. <br /><br />בדברי רבינוnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64893968029133302972014-01-28T17:07:17.803-05:002014-01-28T17:07:17.803-05:00http://zeinshver.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/i-hate-t...http://zeinshver.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/i-hate-this-word/<br /><br />Black chasid in your hood looking for your love. Crown Heightshttp://zeinshver.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/i-hate-this-word/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-91842805133195452112014-01-28T16:19:41.691-05:002014-01-28T16:19:41.691-05:00Choshuve Readers, look at what Not a Harry writes...Choshuve Readers, look at what Not a Harry writes to Chabad : "Should you ever choose to rejoin mainstream orthodox Judaism I will welcome you with open arms."<br />Just goes to confirm what I said in one of my posts, that he among a couple of other people (Mr.Yaptchick, Mr readers write) posing as מבקשי ה pretending to ask קושיאות, when really all they want to do is to instead is to insult חב"ד. Well it finally came to the open. I am not surprised as some of their Rosh Yeshivos and Rabbonin support this. Nu. <br />Chabad chossid of Wesley Hillsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-77777712378606096112014-01-28T13:43:19.238-05:002014-01-28T13:43:19.238-05:00Sruly
Satmar with its 3 weekly mouthpieces welcom...Sruly<br />Satmar with its 3 weekly mouthpieces welcomes critics open and warmly, there is no problem in satmar to think that the 3 oaths are nonsense and a Ikar in Yahadus?<br />We all saw the tolerance level for dissent in the so called yeshiva world in the last few decades.<br />Gevorener geborener its all new ways of kicking the chabad bucketchosid baal agulanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-80562155666147761322014-01-28T13:39:25.912-05:002014-01-28T13:39:25.912-05:00Not a Harry
"Should you ever choose to rejoin...Not a Harry<br />"Should you ever choose to rejoin mainstream orthodox Judaism I will welcome you with open arms. "<br />Where exactly is Mainsream? <br />Lee ave? 13th ave? <br />rechov reb akiva?<br />Hapeles?<br />Yated?<br />der Yid? <br />der blatt?<br />bnie Yoel?<br />Vachtfogel/Kalmanovitz flatbush?<br />You can keep them all, and never ever leave...<br />I will rather drive my truck with a blue shirt and working boots when its cold.....and think over a sicha of the Rebbe on the Mishkan...chosid baal agulanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-71808227882576477482014-01-28T13:20:44.812-05:002014-01-28T13:20:44.812-05:00Lubavitchers really,really don't like to be cr...Lubavitchers really,really don't like to be criticized.They can become very nasty.<br />Worst offender is Hirshels side kick gevorener who changes names all the time and gives Chabad a bad name Srulynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-30498439923062187912014-01-28T09:17:50.256-05:002014-01-28T09:17:50.256-05:00דו האלצט בא זאך אין יאך האלט בא מאך
Should you e...דו האלצט בא זאך אין יאך האלט בא מאך <br /><br />Should you ever choose to rejoin mainstream orthodox Judaism I will welcome you with open arms. Not a Harrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-65958537481711423912014-01-28T03:22:44.708-05:002014-01-28T03:22:44.708-05:00Again a big יישר כח to בדברי רבינו and Chosid Baa ...Again a big יישר כח to בדברי רבינו and Chosid Baa AguIa for their patience in explaining the words of the Rebbeim to such narrowmindedness, if not hostility and political agenda.<br /> I feel that I have to add an important נקודה <br />regarding the מעלה of חסידות חב"ד as<br /> explained by the Rebbe on a number of <br />occasions. Obviously when a person learns Torah he becomes affected in a positive way, and benefits from his learning. למשל if he learns הלכות,he actually benefits from his learning in a practical way. Likewise if he learns ש"ס ופוסקים and he learns it with the right intentions it makes a tremendous impression on the person לטובה. Likewise learning חסידות and קבלה stam (even without חב"ד) may also be beneficial. The אויפטו of חב"ד is a step further than just plain benefiting from the learning. It is taking very high רוחניות concepts which are thoroughly explained by the Rebbeim, which a person should learn and review many times until it is ingrained in his head and should contemplate (התבוננות) then this becomes much more than plain beneficial. It is what the Rebbe called מתפרנסין מיניה.He actually totally and utterly lives off this experience- not just plain 'benefits' as he would without the חב"ד input. Chabad Chossid of Wesley Hillsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-55388396050351706162014-01-28T02:40:50.658-05:002014-01-28T02:40:50.658-05:00In this post I would like to discuss the point rai...In this post I would like to discuss the point raised against חב"ד by people who ר"ל call themselves לוחמים and opponents of חב"ד regarding their superiority complex which חב"ד have. Before I even start dealing with that point, I have to tell you that my life-experience has taught me that for good or for bad the מציות is that כמעט every אידישע קרייז has that feeling of superiority for whatever their reasons may be. It is unfair to point at חב"ד to be יחידים in this. What I can tell you that dispite the fact that חב"ד has a feeling that their דרך and חסידות is superior than others, חב"ד is much more accepting, patient<br /> and tolerant towards others, than others <br />towards them. As no longer a young member of the חב"ד community, I would like to offer some free advice to the younger members of חב"ד. When dealing with discussions regarding חב"ד, you should make a few points clear before you start:<br />(1) The discussion had to be limited to a תורה'דיג intelligent questions and answers and not a political discussion.<br />(2) If you feel hostility or לצנות from them walk away from them. You are waisting your time.<br />(3) Many times they ask questions when they already have their own answers ready to argue with your answers. They only 'asked' in order to seem innocent at the onset of the discussion that you should make yourself available to be attacked by them. It is an old dirty tactic of theirs. They will never be מקבל what you say anyway.<br />(4) The real שונאים are not נתפעל from your intelligent reasoning, למדות, ערנסטקייט or anything else. שנאה מקלקלת את השואה.<br />They were already pre-warned by their mentors for many years.<br />Chabad Chossid of Wesley Hillsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-18683487689633618012014-01-28T02:02:19.869-05:002014-01-28T02:02:19.869-05:00It is with great interest that I follow the recent...It is with great interest that I follow the recent comments posted regarding the' טענות' levied against חב"ד by not a Harry and Readers write, biased and bigoted to the maximum. Definitely a product of their surroundings and<br /> upbringing. Nu, I give בדברי רבינו and Chaos Baal Agula a big יישר כח for their patience and intelligence, but at the same time I see that the other side have a general negative pre-conceived notion against חב"ד, shackles of dislike which they cannot rid themselves of <br />ליידער, ironically their situation is explained in שמירת by the חפץ חיים ז"ל, that it is hard to rid oneself from negative reports. כ"ש וק"ו when one is raised do hate and dislike חב"ד. The המון עם in the so-called Yeshivishe world never gave חב"ד the benefit of the doubt or a chance to explain misconceptions, evil rumors and reports which were spread about them. I guess all the laws of לשון הרע and רכילות don't apply when dealing with חב"ד.<br />Chabad Chossid of Wesley Hillsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-74483391270808551212014-01-27T22:34:31.258-05:002014-01-27T22:34:31.258-05:00@Not a Harry
You are avoiding admitting you are ח&...@Not a Harry<br />You are avoiding admitting you are ח"ו wrong......<br />If you have something substantial to say, say it! <br />Cynicism will not help. <br />"Intellectually honest" indeed!בדברי רבינוnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-27046350068367456962014-01-27T20:54:42.428-05:002014-01-27T20:54:42.428-05:00אמן אמן Not a Harrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-15238030677838711772014-01-27T20:38:14.437-05:002014-01-27T20:38:14.437-05:00CBA: doesn't Rambam write that through learnin...CBA: doesn't Rambam write that through learning Torah and through studying the briyah (not in that order) one can achieve אהבה ויראה? Are you equating a frum scientist with a chossid?Reader's Writenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-12379641379753647442014-01-27T20:11:55.241-05:002014-01-27T20:11:55.241-05:00I repeat:
Reb "Not a Harry" does not ha...I repeat: <br />Reb "Not a Harry" does not have questions. He has a opinion he does not want to and will not change.<br />If he truly was a מבקש he would learn the subject thoroughly.<br />The letter above is not the whole סוגיא. It contains the נקודה. You can not write a full סוגיא in one short letter. <br />So please, the one who is campaigning "As long as you are up front about it", be "intellectually honest" and admit that you will never change your opinion, no matter what is said. <br />(By the way everyone should read the full letter. It is very geshmak and interesting. It is the Rebbe's answers to many of the "questions" people have on Chabad.<br />Including משנה ברורה vs שו"ע אדה"ז etc.) בדברי רבינוnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-21185662380106625042014-01-27T19:07:13.380-05:002014-01-27T19:07:13.380-05:00Not a Harry
"What I wrote about him being mis...Not a Harry<br />"What I wrote about him being misunderstood was with regard to the posted letter being mangled"<br />which word is mangled?Chosid Baal Agulahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-4508708757596270552014-01-27T19:06:19.133-05:002014-01-27T19:06:19.133-05:00Not a Harry
לשיטתכם" the Rebbes standard of...Not a Harry<br /><br /><br />לשיטתכם" the Rebbes standard of פנימיות התורה is to be found elsewhere."<br />There is no question that the rebbe knew about ashlag, reshash zidichoiv etc... nobody knew other ways in Kabala more then the Rebbe, but the rebbe is explaining his view of Chabads exceptionialsim that to get to the ahava veyira on the Rambams path which is exclusively beoifen sichli, you can only get via learning Peninimus hatorah the AR derech.... <br />You can argue that sechel is not needed, there are other shitas, but the Rebbes view is that the ultimate goal is the ahava veyirah of the Rambam, and there is only 1 way to achieve it.<br />Why is this being chewed again and again, the rebbe writes very clear his view<br />Chosid Baal Agulahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-3686591255883816292014-01-27T18:02:20.477-05:002014-01-27T18:02:20.477-05:00יש בו משום חידוש does not equal superior.
לשיטתכ...יש בו משום חידוש does not equal superior. <br /><br />לשיטתכם the Rebbes standard of פנימיות התורה is to be found elsewhere. <br /><br />What I wrote about him being misunderstood was with regard to the posted letter being mangled. No comment on the rest of those who learn his ספרים. Not a Harrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-82431731721058396652014-01-27T17:09:42.207-05:002014-01-27T17:09:42.207-05:00not a Harry
"מה שבא בטענה, מפני מה אומרים, שר...not a Harry<br />"מה שבא בטענה, מפני מה אומרים, שרק חב"ד היא דרך נכונה. – הנה פסק הרמב"ם הוא, שכותב (הלכות יסודי התורה ריש פרק ב') הא-ל הנכבד והנורא מצוה לאהבה וליראה אותו (ועיין בהקדמת ספר החינוך שהיא מצוה תמידית, על כאו"א בכל מקום ובכל זמן, ורק שש מצות ישנן כאלה, עיי"ש) והאיך היא הדרך לאהבתו וליראתו, בשעה שיתבונן האדם כו' ויראה מהם חכמתו שאין לה ערך ולא קץ כו', אשר לשון הרמב"ם מדוייק, וכשכותב שיתבונן, הרי פירוש המלה, לימוד שכלי בהבנה והשגה עד שיבוא לאהבה, וע"ד שאר האהבות שמורגשות בלב ורואים במוחש, ולימוד שכלי בקדושה בבריאת העולמות כו' וכפי שביאר האריז"ל, המקובל על כל ישראל, "<br />The Rebbe explains why Chabad is superior, since the Rambam writes as a pesak Halocha that Ahavas hashem you gain only thru Hisbonenois meaning לימוד שכלי בהבנה, so chabad is the only torah that fulfills that criteria.<br />For instance the school of Zidichoiv was against using any sechel in Kabola, they are adamant against it. the Rebbe did not find in the world of the Chasidus Habesht that were ready to learn Penimius hatorah in the same style as a brisker learns a piece of Kodshim....<br />you can disagree that Sechel is not needed, as the Kalisker was against the AR, you are in good company.Chosid Baal Agulahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64453195177698186432014-01-27T16:59:27.560-05:002014-01-27T16:59:27.560-05:00Not a Harry
"Your rebbes letter does NOT say ...Not a Harry<br />"Your rebbes letter does NOT say that chabad Chasidus is פנימיות התורה. Rather he set a definition of פנימיות התורה. Which if you ever read the שער בלאט of and hakdomo, תניא comes to be מרחיב the תורת המהר"ל."<br />the Alte rebbe writes that he is מרחיב the תורת המהר"ל."?<br />its a legend by chasidim, its ironic that you chose to believe 1 legend vs, 1000 others....<br />so much for truth searchingChosid Baal Agulahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-77875531554930333122014-01-27T16:37:49.890-05:002014-01-27T16:37:49.890-05:00Not a Harry
"Your rebbe was so poorly underst...Not a Harry<br />"Your rebbe was so poorly understood when alive and it's only getting worse. "<br />The Rebbe fought against Miu Yehudi, that goyim should not get Reform or Conservative conversion and be listed as Jews, is their some confusion there that needs clarity?<br />The Rebbe fought fictional Giurie Vienne, is their some confusion there that needs clarity?<br />The Rebbe fought the concept of not returning land to Arabs, and bring them closer to the inner cities to throw rockets in our midst,is their some confusion there that needs clarity?<br />The Rebbe saw that all peace agreements just brought bloodshed,is their some confusion there that needs clarity?<br />The rebbe fought against saying on modern Israel Aschalta Degeula, is their some confusion there that needs clarity?<br />The Rebbe fought assimilation worldwide,is their some confusion there that needs clarity?<br />please give me a issue that was confusing, that a explanation is neededChosid Baal Agulahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-16043151735859073482014-01-27T16:29:22.676-05:002014-01-27T16:29:22.676-05:00Not a Harry
"Your rebbe was so poorly underst...Not a Harry<br />"Your rebbe was so poorly understood when alive and it's only getting worse. "<br />the Rebbe published 39 volumes Likutie Sichas, is there 1 likut that is not clear to you?<br />The Rebbe wrote a masterpiece on the Hagadah, is there 1 piece that is not clear to you?<br />The Rebbe published the Hayom Yom/Minhogai chabad, is there 1 piece that is not clear to you?<br />the Rebbe published 6 volumes Mamorim, is there 1 piece that is not clear to you?<br />The Rebbe wrote Igrois Kloli printed in the 2 volumes Igrois Melech, is there 1 letter that is not clear to you?<br />I am listing only Rebbes works that went thru his hands to publish for the public, We would all appreciate if you come back with some poor understandings on the above Chosid Baal Agulahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-12455358304023072542014-01-27T15:48:15.765-05:002014-01-27T15:48:15.765-05:00Reb "Not a Harry", there is a bit of a p...Reb "Not a Harry", there is a bit of a problem here.<br />The problem is, that although you (and many others) claim to have questions, you do not.<br />You have answers.<br />Meaning to say:<br />You (probably) grew up in a home/environment/yeshiva etc. which involved a lot of Chabad bashing (or it was your own conclusions).<br />You grew up.<br />You realized that some/most of it is not true.<br />However you can't just go and start learning חסידות חב"ד. It doesn't feel right. Your upbringing etc etc (or any other reason you might have)...<br />So you find "questions"<br />1)Lubavitchers claim superiority.<br />2)What about all other Yidden?<br />3)Maybe even "they claim their Rebbe is moshiach"<br />4)How about "they don't keep halacha"<br />5)Etc. etc. etc.<br />So these are all in reality, answers.<br />You do not want them to be knocked off.<br />You are not anything close to a מבקש<br />You are trying to defend yourself/your way of life.<br /><br /><br />If not, why do you not ask for the sichos in לקו"ש and the אג"ק that discuss your "questions".<br />The Rebbe answered all of them.<br />Because my dear Reb "Not a Harry", you don't want a answer.<br /> בדברי רבינוnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-54700073527832930962014-01-27T15:48:14.732-05:002014-01-27T15:48:14.732-05:00Reb "Not a Harry", there is a bit of a p...Reb "Not a Harry", there is a bit of a problem here.<br />The problem is, that although you (and many others) claim to have questions, you do not.<br />You have answers.<br />Meaning to say:<br />You (probably) grew up in a home/environment/yeshiva etc. which involved a lot of Chabad bashing (or it was your own conclusions).<br />You grew up.<br />You realized that some/most of it is not true.<br />However you can't just go and start learning חסידות חב"ד. It doesn't feel right. Your upbringing etc etc (or any other reason you might have)...<br />So you find "questions"<br />1)Lubavitchers claim superiority.<br />2)What about all other Yidden?<br />3)Maybe even "they claim their Rebbe is moshiach"<br />4)How about "they don't keep halacha"<br />5)Etc. etc. etc.<br />So these are all in reality, answers.<br />You do not want them to be knocked off.<br />You are not anything close to a מבקש<br />You are trying to defend yourself/your way of life.<br /><br /><br />If not, why do you not ask for the sichos in לקו"ש and the אג"ק that discuss your "questions".<br />The Rebbe answered all of them.<br />Because my dear Reb "Not a Harry", you don't want a answer.<br /> בדברי רבינוnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-25792739590508826992014-01-27T15:35:42.108-05:002014-01-27T15:35:42.108-05:00"Wesley Hills taynes that there is a חידוש in..."Wesley Hills taynes that there is a חידוש in תורת חבד not found elsewhere. Granted. <br />The question is whether or not there is a superiority intrinsically , or if you guys think so."<br /><br />Explain exactly what you mean by "superiority". <br />It has something not found elsewhere.<br />Does that not make it -to a certain extent- "superior"<br />If not what does? <br />In other words: What exactly do you think that we think about חג"ת that you don't like?<br /><br /><br />"In the בעל התניא 's own words. No sefer is totally שוה לכל נפש and he came to shed light on the תורה of צדיקים that preceeded him.<br />Being that the case. Numerous ספרים / דרכים contain those ingredients"<br /><br />Wow wow wow! That's taking words out of context to an extreme!<br />Does the בעל התניא not write --immediately after the words you quoted-- that תניא is שוה לכל נפש and other ספרים/דרכים do not contain those ingredients?<br />Correct me if I understood wrong.<br /><br /><br />"וכל א' ילמוד מה שליבו חפץ ובלבד שיכון ליבו לשמים"<br /><br />You stubbornly do not want to get the point.<br />G-d A-lmighty decided that a certain דור is going to get פנימיות התורה. Then some yukel comes and screams "ובלבד וכו". I think G-d gave it to us then for a good reason, no?<br />For some odd reason רח"ו (and the גר"א) didn't say "ובלבד וכו" <br />They said<br /> אשר לימוד זה הוא תכלית בריאת " העולם, <br />"ובו תלוי הגאולה האמיתית והשלימה<br />as quoted in the Rebbe's letter above.<br />Some generations later, G-d A-lmighty choose to be מגלה תורת חסידות ע"י הבעש"ט.<br />A bit after that, He gave us חסידות חב"ד.<br />So if G-d has a good reason, it applies to everyone, no?בדברי רבינוnoreply@blogger.com