tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post3287058587091580325..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Creating the Lubavitcher Talmid ChochemHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-85313964494175889832009-07-23T19:50:58.339-04:002009-07-23T19:50:58.339-04:00I think the classless culture is not so much Lubav...I think the classless culture is not so much Lubavitch but Russian or even communist in origin. Any counterculture within a country eventually acquires some of the qualities of the host society.<br /><br />The frum society there was so scarce that there was no room for distinctions. And, they depended on each other for survival. In such circumstances human qualities other than <i>lomdus</i> command more respect.<br /><br />I think (and this would prove my point) that this attitude could be seen in non-Lubavitchers coming from Russia. However, it was probably quickly corrected in their new <i>kehilos</i>.nskernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-45549859527778326752009-07-08T03:11:00.189-04:002009-07-08T03:11:00.189-04:00"4. Excellence is a by-product of a culture t..."4. Excellence is a by-product of a culture that has a koch in a particular endeavor. Take, lehavdil, Canada / Hockey / Wayne Gretzky. Do you really think that you if can only find 14 Nigerian children with a great natural aptitude for hockey, you will be able to turn them into a bunch of Nigerian Wayne Gretzkys?"<br /><br />Berl,Crown Heights,<br />You probably need to brush up your sports knowledge a bit.<br />Just fyi, Richard Williams did just that! He coached his two daughters into world tennis champs.Many of the other best tennis players in the world went to special tennis schools out in Florida.Yeah, so actually in the world of sports there are "yeshivas for metsuyonim"Avi, C.Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-32952769535117795252009-07-07T11:37:47.856-04:002009-07-07T11:37:47.856-04:00we miss you too, schneurwe miss you too, schneurHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-25518991658294661722009-07-07T11:35:49.973-04:002009-07-07T11:35:49.973-04:00O how I yearn for the honest days of Mental blog....O how I yearn for the honest days of Mental blog.schneurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-39511192275588409872009-07-06T18:30:22.688-04:002009-07-06T18:30:22.688-04:00The word "enthronement" in my par 2. is ...The word "enthronement" in my par 2. is one of those spell-checker-caused errors. I meant to write "environment", naturally. But "enthronement" is really serendipitous as it fits the theme even better (if not the particular sentence) :)berl, crown heightsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-80177254062019311122009-07-06T18:26:29.204-04:002009-07-06T18:26:29.204-04:00Hisrshel,
It’s finally nice to see that someone ge...Hisrshel,<br />It’s finally nice to see that someone gets it. There is a video of the Rebbe demanding that the best bouchrim of a Yeshivah be put in one corner and the rest of the boys Dalad Amos away. The Rebbe claimed “kinah sofrim tarbeh chochmah”. This is a JEM video, so if someone can help find the exact dates it would be nice. I asked my Rosh Yeshivah why he does not do it. He refused to answer, and he was one that followed the Rebbe to the letter, just goes to show. <br /><br />The reality is that in Jewish history Torah was number one. There is no respect for real Torah learning anymore in Chabad. The attitude is “Torah menuch bekufsah, kol me sheryotze yovoy vyikach” instead one should ask “Torah shebal peh ma tihiya uleyhuh”?<br /><br />Sad case in Lubavitch.Rationally pioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00709704541876653690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-56121985295203920322009-07-06T18:22:10.718-04:002009-07-06T18:22:10.718-04:005. If the quality of our contemporary Roshei Yeshi...5. If the quality of our contemporary Roshei Yeshiva and Rabbonim is satisfactory to you, you need not worry about their availability in the future – there is more where they came from...berl, crown heightsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-65867873238714418232009-07-06T18:13:24.036-04:002009-07-06T18:13:24.036-04:004. Excellence is a by-product of a culture that ha...4. Excellence is a by-product of a culture that has a <i>koch</i> in a particular endeavor. Take, <i>lehavdil</i>, Canada / Hockey / Wayne Gretzky. Do you really think that you if can only find 14 Nigerian children with a great natural aptitude for hockey, you will be able to turn them into a bunch of Nigerian Wayne Gretzkys?berl, crown heightsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-12648904019520203152009-07-06T18:01:23.938-04:002009-07-06T18:01:23.938-04:001. I can't imagine that anyone would have the ...1. I can't imagine that anyone would have the <i>chutzpo</i> to propose such an idea to the Rebbe.<br /><br />2. It is beyond silly to imagine that by choosing 14(!!!!) young <i>bochurimlach</i> and, <i>naniach afilu</i>, providing them with a proper learning enthronement (which is in itself highly doubtful - see par. 3), one can assure the production of "future ramim and rabonim"! Who in the world knows what these KIDS will decide to do when they grow up?<br /><br />3. We should be teaching children to learn <i>lefi havonas sichlom</i>, starting with a solid understanding of the <i>sugia</i> according to Rashi only (see kuntres Eitz Hachaim). Instead, our Roshei Yeshiva confuse the young minds entrusted in their tender care with premature <i>pilpulim</i>, often of their own invention!!! And this is the definition of <i>"lomdus" noch derztu</i>! In this planned yeshiva for <i>metzuyonim</i> - I am sure – this unfortunate approach will only be exacerbated for the "benefit" of these "lucky" 14! IMHO, the only hope is for the existing Lubavitcher yeshiveis to follow the <i>derech hayoshor</i> described in kuntres Eitz Hachaim. I am sure that approach would produce far more real <i>lamdonim</i> and not just another 14 <i>kalekes</i>, r"l. More importantly, it would enable countless others (not so gifted) to have a real <i>geshmak in lerenen</i>, which is at least as important a goal... Yea, I know – <i>tefilas shov</i>...berl, crown heightsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-3786336464212001972009-07-06T16:40:47.507-04:002009-07-06T16:40:47.507-04:00Ah, I forgot that I unshared my profile, lol.
cha...Ah, I forgot that I unshared my profile, lol.<br /><br />chassidsavoda.blogspot.comchaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023083898665410736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-85557855566784457832009-07-06T16:16:19.676-04:002009-07-06T16:16:19.676-04:00link to where? do you have a blog too?link to where? do you have a blog too?Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-76976839051631878242009-07-06T16:06:26.612-04:002009-07-06T16:06:26.612-04:00And avakesh- that's not nearly enough. And be...And avakesh- that's not nearly enough. And besides, those will always be looked upon as "litvaks" in Chabad.chaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023083898665410736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-59297204541632589172009-07-06T16:04:39.461-04:002009-07-06T16:04:39.461-04:00I like. Someone around here shares my way of thin...I like. Someone around here shares my way of thinking (besides Yoni, of course).<br /><br />I like a lot. <br />I think I'm linking. (Because of the name of the blog, I never bothered looking before....)chaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023083898665410736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-27798146623621853662009-07-05T00:24:26.994-04:002009-07-05T00:24:26.994-04:00One source of talent is misnagdishe bochurim or av...One source of talent is misnagdishe bochurim or avreikhim who got a Torah only centered chinuch and who later joined Lubavitach. Not many of those lately but quite a few from the decades past.avakeshhttp://avakesh.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-20155410846389114812009-07-03T18:19:55.561-04:002009-07-03T18:19:55.561-04:00You must have been at the same strategy session as...You must have been at the same strategy session as Shmuley. From his blog:<br /><br />Here are the foremost issues that Chabad should commit to improving on this milestone occasion.<br />1. Shore up its educational institutions.<br /><br />As its name implies, Chabad is an intellectual organization emphasizing wisdom, understanding, and knowledge. From that deep understanding of G-d, Judaism, and the Torah flows the passionate action that is Chabad’s hallmark. Weaken the educational institutions and you weaken Chabad. Speak to Lubavitch parents and you will hear constant complaints about eroding educational standards and bochurim in Yeshivas who spend nearly as much time flying around the world to do mivtzoim as they do studying. The inadequacy of the Chabad educational institutions is perhaps best evidenced by the growth in ready-made sermons and lectures being sold to Shluchim the world over, which presupposes that the average Shliach has not learned enough in his Yeshiva years to be capable of offering original thoughts on his own. And if you’re a Chabad parent who wants a solid secular education for your son in High School you are given, at best, two to three choices, in New York, Pittsburgh and Los Angeles, all bursting at the seams and almost incapable of taking in new students.Friendly Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-54200231296444382792009-07-03T16:45:14.912-04:002009-07-03T16:45:14.912-04:00"Anonymous said...CBT You are taking a real t..."Anonymous said...CBT You are taking a real torah concept of hachzokas torah of the laymen to support the ben torah"<br /><br />You are approacing this back to front. Of course genuine, sincere and caring laymen should support Torah in all its ways, but since when is it the job of the Torah institutions to have an entire system devoted to creating in Frankenstein-like fashion balebatim for the only purpose to support itself? <br /><br />Somewhat like bees who have one queen bee (the resident "gadol") with a few male drones (upper echelon maggidei shiur whose only purpose is to keep the queen bee fertile and when they have done their bit they are tossed out the hive since they will never be at the head) and then you have the thousands of "worker bees" who labor mindlessly without any honors like "ferd" until they drop dead to service the queen bee and bring in the pollen that will make the honey-money. Is that what Yiddishlkeit is supposed to look like? Like a slave colony to serve one megalomaniacal queen bee? Lo meduvshach velo meuktzach!<br /><br />Sorry, there is more to Yiddishkeit than just becoming a cash cow like a worker bee mindlessly producing honey money. There is a greater world out there. Merubbim heim tzorchei amcha! Not just the secular masses of Jews who need kiruv suffer, but the very oilem in the Litvishe yeshivas themselves suffer because there is little genuine idealism and excitement with the Torah they toil in. It's all just become a grind with bochurim marking time and marching in place as perhaps the best of them are taught learning skills to keep up with a daf yomi, but life is boring, lacking lebedikeit and a genuine bren about the beauty of the Torah and Yiddishkeit, the system is ending out the signal: "Don't get any wild ideas. Don't rock the boat. You are never going to make it as a rosh yeshiva so you may as well make peace with the fact that you should be happy to be alive, get a nice wife and become a breadwinner not just for your children but also for a system that needs cash cows and not enthusiasts with ideas of maybe there is a higher calling in life than just being a 9 to 5 commuter on the NYC subways."<br /><br />How come when one travles far and wide all over the world wherever Jews live it is usually a Lubavaitcher Shaliach and his equally inspired wife who are there for you? Why is there such a clash between Chabad and the Yeshivisha world on this? Why does it have to be this way? Why can't they learn from each other? Why can't the Yeshivisha velt learn from Chabad's idealism and why can't Chabad produce even bigger Talmidei chachomim? Some pople do manage to do this but they are very few and far between.<br /><br />"into a class warfare issue,"<br /><br />What "class warfare"? What are you afraid of discussing, this is the year 2009.<br /><br />"the Torah is not democratic."<br /><br />Baloney! The Torah taught the world the rules of democracy and much more. <br /> <br />"even the secular world of acdemia is also surviving on the back of the rich almuni,"<br /><br />Who said anything about "rich alumni"? Torah Jews do NOT learn from the secular world, they are supposed to be the ohr lagoyim. What don't I get?<br /><br />"so what are you aiming for, to change nature?."<br /><br />What "nature"? Jews by tradition are never happy with the status quo. This discussion started, if you haven't noticed, about what to do about Lubavitcher chinuch and I thought it was important to compare that with Litvish yeshvisha chinuch in America. While Lubavicth has lots of idealism it may perhaps lack higher standards, and while the yesvisha velt lacks idealism it does often have higher standards. They can each learn from each other. That's all I was suggesting. Not "changing" nature but learning from each other.Chaim Berlin tragedynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-17900103311154980752009-07-03T13:54:51.767-04:002009-07-03T13:54:51.767-04:00They may be out there, but are they producing?! ar...They may be out there, but are they producing?! are they in the position to accomplish?!Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-90592149137623913652009-07-03T13:22:47.679-04:002009-07-03T13:22:47.679-04:00This yeshivah seems like another one of Garelick&#...This yeshivah seems like another one of Garelick's silly "plans". He had a kollel that was supposed to do the same.<br /><br />There are quite a few younger chevra of high caliber around. You may not know them, they may not be on the web, but believe it or not, they existAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-69578118499441397302009-07-03T13:09:13.282-04:002009-07-03T13:09:13.282-04:00ר' מענדל
איך גלייב אז די הצעה פון מאכען אזא יש...ר' מענדל<br />איך גלייב אז די הצעה פון מאכען אזא ישיבה קומט דוקא פון די ראשי ישיבה! כ'גלייב אז דוקא זעהן אז ס'נייטיגט זיך אין אזא מקום מיוחד<br /><br />און דאס וואס איר זאגט אז די רבי וואלט ניט מסכים געווען צו אזא ישיבה, איז דאס דארף מען פרעגן ביים רבי'ן אליין<br />......Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-83424440381521007352009-07-03T13:05:07.416-04:002009-07-03T13:05:07.416-04:00It would be good for Chabad to have some intellect...It would be good for Chabad to have some intellectuals from within. One does not have to jump to what Rav Dessler says i Michtav M'Eliyahu about the whole system existing to produce a gadol at the expense of the rest.<br />In Chabad today, gezhe yichus, money and money comes before brains in terms of who is more equal than the rest.Leroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-4709410545816422182009-07-03T12:46:41.075-04:002009-07-03T12:46:41.075-04:00הירשעלע
איך האב מורא אז דו האסט פארקראכן. ווען איך...הירשעלע<br />איך האב מורא אז דו האסט פארקראכן. ווען איך זע אזא מעשה פרעג איך איין זאך, וואס וואלט דער רבי ענטפערן ווען איך שרייב אריין אזא צעטל? בא מיר לייגט זיך בפשטות אז ווען מ'פרעגט ביים רבי'ן וועגן מאכן א ישיבה למצוינים וואלט מען געחאפט איבערן קאפ. דאס וואס דו טענה'סט אז די מוכשרים פארן אויף שליחות און לערנען ניט מער, איז שתי תשובות לדבר. א) עפן אויף א הערות וביאורים וועסטו זען אז לאו דוקא. פארשטייסט דאך אליין אז אויף יעדער וואס שרייבט איז דא דריי וואס שרייבן ניט. והב) יעצט איז אסאך שווערער פארן אויף שליחות און אסאך מער ווערן ר"מים וכדו'<br /><br />ולעצם הענין מ'דארף זען אז אין די ישיבות זאל מען לייגן א קאך אין לערנען וכמדומני אז אין די בעסערע ישיבות איז טאקע אזוי.<br /><br />מענדלמענדלnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-17118243610415094442009-07-03T12:05:03.339-04:002009-07-03T12:05:03.339-04:00Money Quote:
"The Rebbe wants bacon".
B...Money Quote:<br />"The Rebbe wants bacon".<br /><br />Beg to differ on lomdim going on shlichus is a waste.<br />Helevai all shluchim lomdim.Editorhttp://www.770easternparkway.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-58601264483162115172009-07-03T11:43:35.986-04:002009-07-03T11:43:35.986-04:00Well, I'm glad it's happening. There shoul...Well, I'm glad it's happening. There should be a yeshiva geared to bochurim who want a higher level.Yitzchakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16540358059656127222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-7888707698194059302009-07-03T11:17:56.291-04:002009-07-03T11:17:56.291-04:00the champ:
thank you for proving the point made b...the champ:<br /><br />thank you for proving the point made by Tzig. I see you have lots of time on your hands....ULY bochurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-78012262168015077192009-07-03T11:14:40.066-04:002009-07-03T11:14:40.066-04:00Alljewishlyrics.blogspot.comAlljewishlyrics.blogspot.comthe champhttp://alljewishlyrics.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com