tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post3681672403553339766..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Kutshma Vs. KasketHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-46027338158128378762008-01-06T22:58:00.000-05:002008-01-06T22:58:00.000-05:00Also, I wonder why for bochurim it is "considered"...Also, I wonder why for bochurim it is "considered" OK to freeze half to death, and for yungelayt it is permitted to use warm hats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-38222262968500040092008-01-06T22:45:00.000-05:002008-01-06T22:45:00.000-05:00These hats aren't exactly kutchmes. Kutchme is a r...These hats aren't exactly kutchmes. Kutchme is a russian style hat. These are called "papakhes". I wonder why someone thinks this is a new zach. He probably never tasted what Russian winter is.<BR/><BR/>Some samples of papaches used by chasidim in Russia:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2461/rebavrohomow7.jpg" REL="nofollow">Reb Avrohom Shternhartz ztz"l (1930-ies).</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6186/shepetovkaxn7.jpg" REL="nofollow">Yidden in Shepetovka (1920)</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7352/judovin3ot7.jpg" REL="nofollow">Simple working Yidden (somewhere Ukraine, 1910-ies).</A><BR/><BR/><BR/>About your kasket. Why don't you get something similar to Reb Mendl's? At least it will look more authentic ;)<BR/>(That's "A Yid" from older posts. Just using my LJ Id here).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-82989198089426521092007-12-25T22:10:00.000-05:002007-12-25T22:10:00.000-05:00Wondering,It's aliyas hadoiros. Even trimmed beard...Wondering,<BR/><BR/>It's aliyas hadoiros. Even trimmed bearded untermenschen wear shtreymelech these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-15025811486147877172007-12-25T09:25:00.000-05:002007-12-25T09:25:00.000-05:00kutshma trivia; the first ever godol in a kutshma ...kutshma trivia; the first ever godol in a kutshma is....<BR/><BR/>if you guessed reb matisyahu solomon on his visit to kiev, then you won!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-10097251397013815942007-12-25T00:19:00.000-05:002007-12-25T00:19:00.000-05:00Hirshel,What's takeh the deal with all the trimmed...Hirshel,<BR/><BR/>What's takeh the deal with all the trimmed beard and the shtreymels these days? It's all so acceptable...when I grew up a guy wearing trimmed beard didn't wear a shtreymel.. just didn't make sense....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-20982923289164628902007-12-24T20:21:00.000-05:002007-12-24T20:21:00.000-05:00You don't like the kutchmas? Easy-peasy!Ahem."I he...You don't like the kutchmas? Easy-peasy!<BR/><BR/>Ahem.<BR/><BR/>"I heard there's a shayla about avoideh zoura with them."<BR/><BR/>"Al pi kabbola you shouldn't wear something from a treife animal on your head."<BR/><BR/>"The Rouv says that back in <I>der heim</I> all the maskilim wore them."<BR/><BR/>"The factory that makes them is owned by a Modern Orthodox who hates <I>frimmers</I>."<BR/><BR/>Spread them far! Make up your own!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64390227539062647142007-12-24T15:01:00.000-05:002007-12-24T15:01:00.000-05:00One thing that's always bothered me about the Kuts...One thing that's always bothered me about the Kutshmas is the nasty "cuff" look. If you wasnt to hair one take your cue from the mink wearing fashionistas or the Prez of Afghanistan. They go cuffless.The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-4135151064706167152007-12-24T15:00:00.000-05:002007-12-24T15:00:00.000-05:00The hat you wear, l'hoir is a flat capThe hat you wear, l'hoir is a <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_cap" REL="nofollow">flat cap</A>Mottelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582397390892396507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-54342007804570891472007-12-24T14:05:00.000-05:002007-12-24T14:05:00.000-05:00Hey, I like the Panama Hat idea! I'm gonna go git ...Hey, I like the Panama Hat idea! I'm gonna go git me one!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-31979372670407092892007-12-24T13:31:00.000-05:002007-12-24T13:31:00.000-05:00check out my new post b'vakasha;http://dovbear.blo...check out my new post b'vakasha;<BR/>http://dovbear.blogspot.com/2007/12/on-j-blogosphere-epistemology.htmlThe Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-76195835647975121882007-12-24T13:05:00.000-05:002007-12-24T13:05:00.000-05:00Brayhiding my Lubavitcher identity, eh? In truth I...Bray<BR/><BR/>hiding my Lubavitcher identity, eh? In truth I look more like a <EM>Chaim Berliner</EM> than a Lubavitcher, so there. In the summer most businesspeople do away with headgear completely, since they don't have the winter "excuse." However, I'd advocate a lightweight <EM>Kasket,</EM> not the Panama Hat like the 5Towners love to wear.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-14762283357369650332007-12-24T13:00:00.000-05:002007-12-24T13:00:00.000-05:00SatmarTC That's just the point. I think that when...SatmarTC <BR/><BR/>That's just the point. I think that when his co-workers see HT in his winter gear instead of the traditional Chabad tricorn they suspect that he's trying to hide his identity.<BR/><BR/>IIRC in Bais Brisk (I mean actual biological Soloveitchiks) in Yerushalayim the Bochurim wear the traditional European kasket from about age 6 till a few years after Bar-Mitzvah. <BR/><BR/>HT I eagerly anticipate a companion post in July advocating for the return of the Panama Hat.The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-65306368530941269772007-12-24T12:21:00.000-05:002007-12-24T12:21:00.000-05:00Yedidi hayakar ,I wear the same cap you do on week...Yedidi hayakar ,<BR/>I wear the same cap you do on weekdays for the last 40 years (of<BR/>course once in a while I change the cap, my last one was stolen by arelim )<BR/>But this is not a kasket , check out the caps the Chafetz chaim , Reb<BR/>Simcha Zelig Riger, Reb Mendel Futterfass etc or the son of the<BR/>Bobroisker wera and you will see the difference, but I agre e that in<BR/>unzer zayt its close enough.<BR/>Next I too layder do not have the self confidence to wear it on<BR/>Shabbes. After all in Russia this too was the Shabbes dress.<BR/>the Rayaatz wore this on Shabbes before becoming rebbe and all<BR/>Chassidim did. Did Reb mendel or Reb Chen put on a Hungarian<BR/>rabbonishce hut on Shabbes !!!<BR/>By not wearing it on Shabbes you and I are mode bimikzas we are<BR/>really undermining our case for the kasket as the authentic hat of<BR/>Lubavitch and Russian Jews. Lets wear it on Shabbes and be machzir<BR/>atore liyoshna. Did you see in the sefer of Reb israel Jacobson what<BR/>he quotes Reb Nissan as saying when they switched hats in Poking in 1945-46 ?<BR/>Next one can purchase a much more "legitimate" kasket ie a cap that<BR/>looks more like a kasket than what we wear. I have at least 4-5 of<BR/>them. Firstly the stores URBAN OUTFITTERS usually carry caps that<BR/>look like kaskets with the brim vechuli. They are not always in<BR/>stock. I have several of them in black. There is also a Kangol cap<BR/>that is mamash like a kasket years ago I bought it in Tel Aviv and<BR/>my late father a'h seized it and told me he ws unhappy that I wear it<BR/>(later I found out that it reminded him of his father who was<BR/>murdered by bandits in Kurenitz prior to the Holocaust) and my<BR/>father wore it himself ! He even wore it on Shabbes, having gone<BR/>through 5 years of Concentration camps my father cared little about<BR/>public approval) I just bought one a few years ago in the west<BR/>Village in Black. I do not wear it because of hakpodah from my late father .<BR/>The Mao cap sold very cheaply in several stores in China town is also<BR/>very very like a kasket. It comes in various colors including green<BR/>Reb Duchman in Lashame Ozen describes the rayaatz as wearing a green<BR/>hat in a visit in Warsaw !) You can get one for under $5- Also i see<BR/>on line that Berkley hat co a wonderful store in Berkley CA<BR/>sells fiddler caps ie Greek caps without the designs etc that again<BR/>are close to kasketen.<BR/>So lomir nit bleiebn baim reiden und machzir zayn die emesdike<BR/>Yiddehe leviush<BR/>yasher koach and keep warm (as jews inEurope were not makpid over<BR/>levush I talked to many old time galitzianer, Litvishe and<BR/>Peylishe yidden und gutte yidden and when levush came up they<BR/>laughed at me we wore what we had and the pictures prove their point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-30841686528055229162007-12-24T11:52:00.000-05:002007-12-24T11:52:00.000-05:00Hirshel this is the best posting EVER I Mean EVER,...Hirshel this is the best posting EVER I Mean EVER, just in time for xmas couden't ask for more or better.<BR/><BR/><BR/>zei gezunt un shtarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-84633891616427450242007-12-24T09:53:00.000-05:002007-12-24T09:53:00.000-05:001) how do you know what my kids door don't hear fr...1) how do you know what my kids door don't hear from me?<BR/><BR/>2) I guess you consider a 3 day beard with a <EM>shtraymel</EM> like the cool ones today <EM>Derech Avoisaynee?</EM> I guess that's the result of all that talk about <EM>Levush?</EM><BR/><BR/>The point is that you're applying your childish notions to me and my group. That's sad.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-5434765382746768282007-12-24T09:46:00.000-05:002007-12-24T09:46:00.000-05:00your writing about Lvush Bderech Avoseinu is like...your writing about Lvush Bderech Avoseinu is like the reform jew talks about gefilte fish,the maskilim from yester year coinned their Shita into the slogan be a jew in your house and a mentsch in the street the next jeneration setteled for being a jew only their hearts, the slogan of the bal shem tov (see Meor Einiym Margele Befimei Habashat) Vsertem Vavdetem if you change only slightly<BR/>you are going to go all the way....,Since you converted to lubavitch which refrased the maskelishe slogan into Chabad Mont Penimiyos the averege lubavitcher kid implies from it(i heard it from them many times) we dont stress chiztioneyes, all your talk about derech avoseini for chitioneyes is gerse deyankese that your kids wont even hear about it, the same way that you dont know that Bash"t chazert with his talmidim not to step stem away one bit because it will lead to be oived avode zuraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-42084368668553439442007-12-24T09:28:00.000-05:002007-12-24T09:28:00.000-05:00SamsonI couldn't have said it better myself. Thank...Samson<BR/><BR/>I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks!Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-43329461416958588642007-12-24T09:27:00.000-05:002007-12-24T09:27:00.000-05:00Shimon,If you can't handle a light moment, and you...Shimon,<BR/><BR/>If you can't handle a light moment, and you absolutely need your daily fix of the latest scandal, please feel free to stick to the other blogs. But do us a favor and don't blame it on intelligence and brains.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-85286088792124933222007-12-24T03:43:00.000-05:002007-12-24T03:43:00.000-05:00What a silly and immature post.Do you write this f...What a silly and immature post.<BR/>Do you write this for the yeshiva k'tana boys or do you actually think this nonsense would interest anybody with half a brain?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-11143869103370641732007-12-24T00:45:00.000-05:002007-12-24T00:45:00.000-05:00I think the question of allowing the kutchmas shou...I think the question of allowing the kutchmas should be the subject of a major beis din investigation, like a joint session of moetzes gdolei hatora and hisachdus harabonimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-65909774533485047132007-12-24T00:34:00.000-05:002007-12-24T00:34:00.000-05:00For warmth go for the ushanka , for practicality ...For warmth go for the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushanka" REL="nofollow">ushanka</A> , for practicality stick with your kasket.Mottelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582397390892396507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-39924464159905567632007-12-23T23:37:00.000-05:002007-12-23T23:37:00.000-05:00I think many Chasidim rough it with the regular Fe...I think many Chasidim rough it with the regular Fedoras being that that is what the Rebbe did even on the long winter days at the Ohel (before the temp. conrolled room ).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-49343601906749960502007-12-23T23:20:00.000-05:002007-12-23T23:20:00.000-05:00I thought that u were a real lub with a BorsalinoI thought that u were a real lub with a BorsalinoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-90041182175982973992007-12-23T22:09:00.000-05:002007-12-23T22:09:00.000-05:00snagthat's the best I could do, but I think it's p...snag<BR/><BR/>that's the best I could do, but I think it's pretty close. It's not like the more modern ones; the ones that are more stiff and have no real bill. This one does.<BR/><BR/>Aderaba, I'd wear a more authentic one if I could get one. I don't mean the "Greek fisherman" cap, that's no good either.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-58634827164430315482007-12-23T22:04:00.000-05:002007-12-23T22:04:00.000-05:00Yasher keyach Hirshel. Good post.I don't know if a...Yasher keyach Hirshel. Good post.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if am missing something here, but the hat pictured ("The Kasket in question") doesn't look like the old kaskets of years ago. It looks like a modern cap. Maybe that is part of the problem (though not all of it). <BR/><BR/>Could you not find one of the older type ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com