tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post3721501959125012813..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Different Paths (Part I)Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-66195123097378087052010-11-25T20:02:09.406-05:002010-11-25T20:02:09.406-05:00“Twistleton
you are talking nonsense, I saw his pr...“Twistleton<br />you are talking nonsense, I saw his profile in Wiki, he was Beuvie Hakora with the Zionist movement, while the Gedolim you listed were not in a war with them, but not a major part in the Movement.”<br />To this day, Brisk Yeshiva will not allow Seforim from these two Gedolim into Yeshiva due to their Maskilic inclinations. Which has nothing to do with being a Zionist, although there is some over lap. We need Schneur back!!Twistelton-Twisteltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-86465768023566249652010-11-25T19:32:42.701-05:002010-11-25T19:32:42.701-05:00Russian\
I did not take sides here, I was just po...Russian\<br /><br />I did not take sides here, I was just pointing out an interesting part of history.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-83410872150138580512010-11-25T19:20:25.395-05:002010-11-25T19:20:25.395-05:00All above.
I knew that- question is just to get h...All above.<br />I knew that- question is just to get him to answer that. I am just trying to point out that Lubavitcher<br /> Rebbe would treat Pines the same way as gdoilei Yerisholoim.So, unzerer Tsigele is going against his Rebbe's shita.russian chusidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-49254994167970765812010-11-25T18:34:19.281-05:002010-11-25T18:34:19.281-05:00With limudei kodesh only and in Yiddish only.With limudei kodesh only and in Yiddish only.klainernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-47351854144756896542010-11-25T17:17:42.445-05:002010-11-25T17:17:42.445-05:00Russian Chosid,
The Lubavicher rebbe was at the b...Russian Chosid,<br />The Lubavicher rebbe was at the belief that the early years of Tinokes Shel Bies Rabon should be spent 100% on torah veyirah.So he pushed to open a Cheder with Limudie Kodesh only .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-31809767493511995232010-11-25T17:14:19.868-05:002010-11-25T17:14:19.868-05:00Twistleton
you are talking nonsense, I saw his pro...Twistleton<br />you are talking nonsense, I saw his profile in Wiki, he was Beuvie Hakora with the Zionist movement, while the Gedolim you listed were not in a war with them, but not a major part in the Movement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-68118788591788853332010-11-25T15:10:00.853-05:002010-11-25T15:10:00.853-05:00"Out of Pinas campaign for teaching kids fore..."Out of Pinas campaign for teaching kids foreign languages, was he a Maskil? or a charadie Jew?"<br /><br />Both. As were many early Maskilim. And Many Gedolim. Such as the Marcheses and Dvar Avrohom. And many moreTwistelton-Twisteltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-13077638131807807542010-11-25T08:16:12.876-05:002010-11-25T08:16:12.876-05:00Reading Reb Dovid'l Karliners teshuvah it is c...Reading Reb Dovid'l Karliners teshuvah it is clear that he permits learning foreign languages in order to make a living and communicate with the goyim. Nowhere does he give the slightest indication that Jews should start speaking Russian or Turkish or English among themselves.Do you think for one second that Reb Dovidl Karliner delivered his Shabbos Hagodol droshe in Russian? Doyou think the Alter of Slobodke gave his musser shmuesen in Lithuanian?The shiurim in Chachmei Lublin were in Polish? Speaking English in Yeshives and among ourselves is a "pirtzeh."klainernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-19581790671411501932010-11-25T01:25:34.041-05:002010-11-25T01:25:34.041-05:00Hershele,
Just one shala - why in oholey teiro in ...Hershele,<br />Just one shala - why in oholey teiro in KC there is no English studies? What was your Rebbes shita on that?russian chusidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-37149493144189205402010-11-24T23:51:21.086-05:002010-11-24T23:51:21.086-05:00anon...watch what you say...dehan was a baal tsuva...anon...watch what you say...dehan was a baal tsuva for many years...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-74720972822208903742010-11-24T20:13:06.970-05:002010-11-24T20:13:06.970-05:00Yiddish has a din of Tashmishei K'Dusha. It ha...Yiddish has a din of <i>Tashmishei</i> K'Dusha. It has no intrinsic K'dusha per se.<br /><br />If English is used as Tashmishei K'Dusha in the same manner, it acquires the same K'dusha as Yiddish.<br /><br />That being said, I love speaking Yiddish, especially to an alter yid ...Isaac Balbinhttp://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/~isaac/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-38630284998001837892010-11-24T18:43:42.395-05:002010-11-24T18:43:42.395-05:00Were it not for Reb Yoelish TTB ZTL ,Mame-Loshn i...Were it not for Reb Yoelish TTB ZTL ,Mame-Loshn in America would be a thing of the past. Look at the way it is disappearing in Lubavitch, an example of which is Oholei Toreh which has gone over to English to a great extent. I won't even get into the strange gibberish that passes for Yiddish in the Yeshiveh world.<br /> The same can be said for Yerushelaymer Yidn in Israel.Were it not for their takones everyone would be speaking Ivrit.Just listen to the hespeipim on Kol Haloshon by the senior Roshei Yeshiva. They are by far being delivered in Ivrit or some form of Ivrit spoken with a Ashkenazic intonation.<br /> The truth is the truth.When it comes to language and darchei oves we owe these gedolei yisroel a debt of gratitude.klainer A.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-88331804414185953662010-11-24T16:24:42.059-05:002010-11-24T16:24:42.059-05:00Out of Pinas campaign for teaching kids foreign la...Out of Pinas campaign for teaching kids foreign languages, was he a Maskil? or a charadie Jew?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-11950075433564713852010-11-24T15:31:10.333-05:002010-11-24T15:31:10.333-05:00DeHaan didn't play it straight.DeHaan didn't play it straight.Anon478651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-42257948473472476722010-11-24T15:01:07.625-05:002010-11-24T15:01:07.625-05:00Pray tell what this has to do with Sheirut Leumi?
...Pray tell what this has to do with Sheirut Leumi?<br /><br /><br />A FriendAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-38606363546087457622010-11-24T12:18:57.300-05:002010-11-24T12:18:57.300-05:00Anon
"but de haan hy"d was murdered by t...Anon<br />"but de haan hy"d was murdered by the zionist scum..."<br />Dehaan died because he was not a Shomer Habris...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-72650751366813362432010-11-24T10:19:19.798-05:002010-11-24T10:19:19.798-05:00Herschel, hecyesuni, du host derfreit mein hartz. ...Herschel, hecyesuni, du host derfreit mein hartz. The Vyoel Moshe builds such a big binyen (edifice) in maamar Loshen Hakodesh, on this cherem. He stretches it to the limit, since in ivrit there is mixed in words from foreign languages, hence the cherem is also on ivrit. Here comes reb Dovid Karliner and smashes this binyen to pieces. And since our Yiddish today is more than 25 percent English, so if I go to EY and I speak my Yiddish I am oiver on the cherem. How absurd. It is time to show the fallacies of the Vyoel Moshe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-68544829974843911752010-11-24T08:50:59.043-05:002010-11-24T08:50:59.043-05:00The eida in many ways WAS set up to serve infrastu...The eida in many ways WAS set up to serve infrastucture needs of the yishuv. RYCZ even almost completed a peace treaty with jordan wich would have left the kehila autonomous, but de haan hy"d was murdered by the zionist scum...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-86199058823119495592010-11-24T00:27:54.455-05:002010-11-24T00:27:54.455-05:00I was in attendance as Professor Leiman gave this ...I was in attendance as Professor Leiman gave this Shiur regarding the language ban during the height of the Slifkin controversy, and he remarked how the BANS always emanate from Jerusalem. He mentioned Nathan Kamenetzky (MOAG) and Slifkin as further examples.<br /><br />One sharpie asked him "Shouldn't the bans emanate from where the subjects live?<br /><br />[For those who don't know, both R. Nathan and R. Natan live in Jerusalem.]Bannernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-65868149067488571882010-11-24T00:11:42.165-05:002010-11-24T00:11:42.165-05:00"If you ever read the "Heavenly City&quo..."If you ever read the "Heavenly City" series by Menachem Gerlitz - whether in English, Hebrew or Yiddish - you're surely in the know "<br /><br />How much truth in these books? Gerlitz is a known embellisher/story maker. I have even heard him joke about it!Twistelton-Twisteltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-11812843663004106172010-11-23T21:10:29.152-05:002010-11-23T21:10:29.152-05:00one thing that i think about is that the old yishu...one thing that i think about is that the old yishuv did not take a part in the process of jewish self determination that was going on in eretz yisroel which ended with declaration of independence of ben gurion <br /><br />they at the end made a stab at it with british former lord ger named was van daam or the such who was very articulate and outspoken for the political needs of the yishuv<br />he became to much of a thorn and was assasinated by the zionists<br /><br />point is BY AND LARGE i resent the charedim leaving it the treifeh herzlists to set up independent administration in eretz yisroel <br /><br />now were left with pressure to enter into the workforce and a moshe feiglin for jewish leadership in eretz yisroel<br /><br />at the end of the day torah if it is really emmes has to take a serious foray into modern communal and national needs <br />which i would surmise is a neccesary part of the process of "tikkun olam" "dirah bitachtoinim" or kabbalas hatorahmoshiach nownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-20059344411701324762010-11-23T20:15:27.723-05:002010-11-23T20:15:27.723-05:00tzig thanx for the continuous gevaldige posts.You ...tzig thanx for the continuous gevaldige posts.You inspire alot of the water cooler conversation in the ihr hatorah.Just wondering if these posts were in honor of the c"k of shas rav amasalam who was bassically put in cherem and thrown out of shas for amongst other things suggesting that chadorim should teach the Tochnit Liba which is basic secular studies. Also what is your opinion on that whole hullabalo?oldtimernoreply@blogger.com