tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post3945867053308092609..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: You'd be shocked to see who liked PM Yitzchak Shamir and what he said about him!Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-3082427263571600822012-07-10T18:47:43.824-04:002012-07-10T18:47:43.824-04:00It is great that he never took a vacation, but tha...It is great that he never took a vacation, but that is not an objective measure of Gadlus. After we know he is a Gadol we can be impressed with that. It also does not say that he was a bigger Gadol than someone who did take vacations.<br />BTW, when did Rav Shach take a vacation?yankelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04865495282241078611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-12566943734935863292012-07-10T14:36:05.331-04:002012-07-10T14:36:05.331-04:00Yankel,
Very well put.
Of course you"ll never...Yankel,<br />Very well put.<br />Of course you"ll never get a Lubavitcher to be objective, but I am much more worried that you"ll almost never get a Lubavitcher admitting that when it comes to the rebbe and chabad that they are NOT objective.That is already a very big chisaron.<br />Regarding the Rebbe never taking a vacation:I actually "chap hispaayles" from it, especially in light of the trips of the Rashab and Rayatz, and of other rebbes.chaimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-75399336475938075422012-07-10T10:03:21.258-04:002012-07-10T10:03:21.258-04:00Why, when someone else says these things, they are...Why, when someone else says these things, they are driving a hate - filled agenda, and when you say it it is hiskashrus or whatever other poppycock name you give your convenient belief system?<br />If anyone can prove their Rebbe's greatness on an absolute scale, not 'he never took a vacation' (when the Rasha"b took a vacation the system has to be spun a different way), just an absolute objective study of his ge'onus in Nigleh, koach in learning, and connection to previous generations of Talmidei Chachomim, then they have a right to disparage those less than their own. Until then, your connection to your Rebbe is your private problem, not a belief or even opinion, just a scratch for your own itch.yankelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04865495282241078611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-15177336465259486062012-07-09T22:36:44.602-04:002012-07-09T22:36:44.602-04:00Tomashover,
I don't understand what you are as...Tomashover,<br />I don't understand what you are asking..<br />I was quoting wikipedia about the number of israeli casaulties during the yom kippur war and inferring that since thank God we haven't had a war with them since than many jewish lives have bee savedchaimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-16769878513522020042012-07-09T19:15:22.593-04:002012-07-09T19:15:22.593-04:00Chaim
FYI,
by yom kippur war the egyptian were sti...Chaim<br />FYI,<br />by yom kippur war the egyptian were still offical fighting Israel...<br />so what are you proving here with your quote?tomoshavernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-12987780758538438082012-07-09T12:55:18.825-04:002012-07-09T12:55:18.825-04:00Tzig: "And we always believed that the Degel ...Tzig: "And we always believed that the Degel HaTorah people didn't like Mr. Shamir and favored Shimon Peres"<br /><br />ס'האט אמאל גיפעגט אַ קינד טאטע וואס איז דאס דצ"ך עד"ש בּאח"ב?<br />האט ער גיענטפערט דאס זענ'ן די נעמען פון גרויסע מלאכים, האט דאס<br />קינד גיפרעגט ווידער, אין וועלעכער איז גרעסער! האט דער פאטער גיענטפערט צווישׂ'ן אַזאלעכע גרויסע מלאכים ווער קאן זיך אריינמשׁן!. והמב"י<br /><br />shamir-peres-or the lubab Shazar?<br />who knows?זלמן שייזרnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-61577598098435292612012-07-09T01:54:55.693-04:002012-07-09T01:54:55.693-04:00"how much land for how peace? when do we star..."how much land for how peace? when do we start counting the bodies that pile up because of the "peace?""<br /><br />The Yom Kippur war per wikipedia cost <br /><br />"Israel suffered between 2,521[26][20][2] and 2,800 killed in action.[19] An additional 7,250[292] to 8,800[19] soldiers were wounded. Some 293 Israelis were captured.[293] Approximately 400 Israeli tanks were destroyed. Another 600 were disabled but returned to service after repairs.[28] "<br /><br />Most Israeli generals felt that peace with the giving back of land was the way to go.Most rabbunim agree.Of course the Rebbe had the right to disagree,but you should know that almost everyone disagreed.<br />I think that history has shown that no nation that lost land in war accepted the loss if they could.In the case where Israel is the lone lamb surrounded by many wolves there would be little chance that Egypt not try and start another war to try and get the Sinai back.<br />Of course with the change of regimes in Egypt anything can happen, but at least we've had a "cold" peace for 35 years.<br />I don't want to get into a whole other argument, if people who don't serve in the Army have the right to say "mevines"chaimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-26375970407477876702012-07-09T01:16:04.029-04:002012-07-09T01:16:04.029-04:00It was a very pragmatic view of how to save more j...It was a very pragmatic view of how to save more jewish lives. Sof passuk. That was his only consideration.iolonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-34410373546215823632012-07-09T00:53:07.452-04:002012-07-09T00:53:07.452-04:00"one may give land back for peace"
how ..."one may give land back for peace"<br /><br />how much land for how peace? when do we start counting the bodies that pile up because of the "peace?"<br /><br />and where do these Rabbonim take this opinion from?Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-51609651600793873042012-07-09T00:36:20.873-04:002012-07-09T00:36:20.873-04:00Giving the Sinai back to Egypt saved us many lives...Giving the Sinai back to Egypt saved us many lives and wars.Giving the Golan back for peace would be the same.<br /><br />" In short, a very Baalebatishe look at politics, clearly out of his league"<br /><br /><br />I"m not sure what you mean when you say it was clearly out of his league?Why is it "clear".Just because someone disagrees with your rebbe it does not make it "clearly" out of their league.<br />Btw, most rabbonim agree that one may return land for peacechaimnoreply@blogger.com