tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post4016334630497127747..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: My Affinity for Chabad - By YehupitzHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-29613737933951839312010-06-15T23:26:26.275-04:002010-06-15T23:26:26.275-04:00Oh, those were my ruminations on the occasion of t...Oh, those were my ruminations on the occasion of the yahrzeit, of course.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-29837777168220760152010-06-15T23:25:11.931-04:002010-06-15T23:25:11.931-04:00Why the Rebbe is relevant to some of us non-Chabad...Why the Rebbe is relevant to some of us non-Chabadniks:<br /><br /><a rel="nofollow">http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1201321/jewish/The-Rebbe-and-Viktor-Frankl.htm</a><br /><br /><b>The Rebbe and Viktor Frankl<br />The Rebbe's Communiqué to the Founder of Logotherapy</b><br /><br />Whatever issues that one may have with Chabad - and there are legitimate issues - the Rebbe stands out as unique. Not in the story's implied mofeis that the Rebbe caused Frankl's book to be published and impact upon the world. In Yahadus, mofesim are nice, but insignificant.<br /><br />Rather, it is the Rebbe's insight that Frankl was important (and he was!), that his philosophy-psychology was beneficial to the world (and it is!), that Chochmoh ba'Goyim [or Frei Yidden] ta'amin (too rarely admitted, and even more rarely encouraged!), that one need be concerned beyond one's "hoif" or "yeshiva" for the benefit of humanity - these are rare qualities even among our leaders.<br /><br />Were it but for this alone, the Rebbe deserves our admiration - not our devotion, that is for Chabadniks, not for us - but our appreciation.Yosef Gavriel Bechhoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264311760560329892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-86790882662577967042010-06-10T19:09:13.369-04:002010-06-10T19:09:13.369-04:00It is known that Lubavitch Rabbonim have innovated...It is known that Lubavitch Rabbonim have innovated many Minhagim in Shechitah, some of which are universaly adopted (steel knives) and others that are more subtle and specific. In eating Lubavich Shechitah solely, I am assured that the Minhagim of my family and Kehilla are being used. Other Shechitas are superb as well but coming from a family of Lubavitch Shochtim, I appreciate adhering to our specifications. Why does that cause people ire? The only meat I learned was verboten was Hebrew National.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-31478773695914502632010-06-10T14:30:29.064-04:002010-06-10T14:30:29.064-04:00"A note on shechitah: There is a difference b..."A note on shechitah: There is a difference between being makpid to eat a certain kind of shechitah and being makpid not to eat a certain kind of shechitah. We don't think other shecitahs are treif, we prefer Lubavitch shechitah. (We don't kasher our keilim from other shechitahs.) Not eating Lubavitch because you think we're kofrim is simply insulting."<br /><br />My friend you are splitting hairs and you probably know it too!<br />You "preference"(it's much more than a preference, actually) for eating "Shechitas Lubavitch" only, is as far as I know "unique".No other group gets away with saying we "prefer" schochtim that belong to us.<br />And why do you actually prefer/demand shechitas Lubavitch?<br />Simple.You believe that you are B-E-T-T-E-R Jews.Yes, Lubavitchers think they are better Jews, therefore they fit into the Tzemach Tzedeks ruling that a Shochet has to be "Yorei Shomayim merabim".<br />On the other hand the people who are "uncomfortable" with Lubavitcher shochtim do it because they have concerns about some of todays Lubavitch belief system.Actually the OU I believe, will not allow Meshichist shochtim under their supervision.I think that the OU is the largest Kashruth organization in the world.<br />I recall reading that at the Rubashkin plant that was an issue and they would not allow Meshichist shochtim.We all know that to define a "Meshichist" is not that easy,so it's not vary farfetched to stay away from any Lubavitcher Shechita unless you know the shoichet or rav hamachshir.yitzynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-19585436258315882912010-06-10T14:18:57.422-04:002010-06-10T14:18:57.422-04:00Forgive my ignorance, but regarding the sukkah iss...Forgive my ignorance, but regarding the sukkah issue: What are makifin, what are they surrounding, and what does that have to do with mitztaer? Serious answers please, or if you want to be sarcastic, make it plain that you're doing so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-2253064978355884242010-06-10T13:40:19.542-04:002010-06-10T13:40:19.542-04:00As a Lubavitcher, I find it hard to disagree with ...As a Lubavitcher, I find it hard to disagree with your post, both the shevachim and the criticisms. <br />There's nothing wrong with being proud of your mesorah. Chabad believes we have something important to share with klal yisroel. We are not opposed to other derachim (in fact the Rebbe was perhaps more open to other derachim, seforim, etc. than many others). However, we have a big problem in the so-called "Chareidisher" or "Litvisher" velt and that is that we are made to feel defensive and that we have to apologize for who we are in those circles. If you think Chabad should be more "pluralistic", be more tolerant towards Chabad. Those circles and people that treat Lubavitchers with respect, have the respect of the Lubavitchers. <br />A note on shechitah: There is a difference between being makpid to eat a certain kind of shechitah and being makpid not to eat a certain kind of shechitah. We don't think other shecitahs are treif, we prefer Lubavitch shechitah. (We don't kasher our keilim from other shechitahs.) Not eating Lubavitch because you think we're kofrim is simply insulting.Chabadniknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-65081677814440531412010-06-10T11:42:34.351-04:002010-06-10T11:42:34.351-04:00Sruly,
"Lubavitch has only Lubavitchers."...Sruly,<br />"Lubavitch has only Lubavitchers."<br />did you try to register your son and you were not accepted. I lately saw in the Emanual/Slonim fiasco that reb Yakov Yosef is saying the only mossad in the country that is inclusive for every Jew is Chabad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-19384111240692006892010-06-10T01:31:55.475-04:002010-06-10T01:31:55.475-04:00"From an objective point of view, I think the..."From an objective point of view, I think the Litvishe yeshivos are responsible for more evil and destructive social trends than anything wrong that Lubavitch has done. Plus, they are definitely more racist/prejudiced against Sefardim and people who aren't part of their clique."<br /><br />How "objective" are you?<br />You are an anonymous poster.<br />Just state your opinion.<br />Fact of the matter is that Litvishe yeshivas have boys from ALL backgrounds and Nusachs.Ashkenaz,Sephardim,Chasidim.<br />Lubavitch has only Lubavitchers.<br />Crown Heights has almost no non Nusach Ari shuls, Lakewood has many different Nusach shuls.<br />Are you wondering why?<br />I"m sure not.You are way to "objective" for that. (My friend, it seems that you may not know what the word "objective" means.Just google it...)Srulynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-27296810300246848452010-06-10T01:16:06.577-04:002010-06-10T01:16:06.577-04:00"Sruly
the question is why he went, not why L..."Sruly<br />the question is why he went, not why Lubavitch doesn't cover it. It seems like there about 50 people there, half of whom are Israelis who come for a few years, make some cash and go back to Israel."<br /><br />Ok,so you are an imfarginer,ok.Nu, maybe you need to work on your middos.What I don't understand is how you turn around and then accuse others of the same thing, namely when you scream about all kinds of "omissions" against Chabad, like when Artscroll does not see fit to mention Chabad enough in your opinion.You see doing that makes you begeder a "tzovu'a" a hypocrite someone who is two faced and Chazal told us in Masechata Sota (one masechta that Lubavitchers should know since it's learned there during sefira) "הזהרו מן הצבועים שדומים לפרושים, שעושים מעשי זמרי ומבקשים שכר כפנחס"<br /><br />On top of everything else, Odessa has a very large and successful Yeshiva kehilla.<br />I"m very wary of Lubavitch because of these "little" things.If kvoid shomayim was takkeh important, than we would see Moshe Rabbeinus words echoed " ומי יתן כל עם ה' נביאים, כי יתן ה' את רוחו עליהם.You would not seek to farminder the non Lubavitch kehilla in Odessa, but aderaba be happy that they too have been very succesful.Srulynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-83220675232283953692010-06-09T17:32:16.804-04:002010-06-09T17:32:16.804-04:00From an objective point of view, I think the Litvi...From an objective point of view, I think the Litvishe yeshivos are responsible for more evil and destructive social trends than anything wrong that Lubavitch has done. Plus, they are definitely more racist/prejudiced against Sefardim and people who aren't part of their clique.<br /><br />There's plenty of ehrliche Lubavitchers out there, I think the constant bellowing about the sins of the movement just polarises further these people and gives an excuse to all the victim-complex types.מאן דעביד כמר עביד ומאן דעביד כמר עבידAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-82034292615188435682010-06-09T13:36:57.225-04:002010-06-09T13:36:57.225-04:00Sruly
the question is why he went, not why Lubavit...Sruly<br />the question is why he went, not why Lubavitch doesn't cover it. It seems like there about 50 people there, half of whom are Israelis who come for a few years, make some cash and go back to Israel.<br /><br />Why is this less historic than his visits to Brachfeld or RBS?Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-29289433139383187302010-06-09T13:29:10.398-04:002010-06-09T13:29:10.398-04:00Rav Shteinman in an historical visit to Odessa get...Rav Shteinman in an historical visit to Odessa gets no mention in the Lubavitch sites or the Lubavitch run Federation of Jewish Communities of the CIS <br />Here: http://www.bhol.co.il/news_read.asp?id=17502&cat_id=2<br />Why?<br />Another example how Lubavitcher have a problem acknowledging and fargining anyone else.Srulynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-77598059537410968202010-06-09T11:56:13.194-04:002010-06-09T11:56:13.194-04:00-Anon: Funny that you mention Kraus . . . He was e...-Anon: Funny that you mention Kraus . . . He was educated in Meah She'arim and suffers from the derangement of which I speak. <br /><br />-CT's Blog - or whoever you are: Shoteh - do a google search and find it yourself . . . Somehow I managed <a href="http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=112" rel="nofollow">to</a>Mottelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582397390892396507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-2876614080100315682010-06-09T02:55:15.003-04:002010-06-09T02:55:15.003-04:00Example of why there could be a problem with Chaba...Example of why there could be a problem with Chabad<br />http://www.youtube.com/user/moshiachibiza#p/a/u/2/TG1LgyHXv7EAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-88629974154055773902010-06-08T22:28:53.061-04:002010-06-08T22:28:53.061-04:00Normative Lubavitcher's what is this?Normative Lubavitcher's what is this?Normative Lubavitcher'snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-73669715421444112222010-06-08T21:42:00.504-04:002010-06-08T21:42:00.504-04:00"visit us"
I have and continue to do so..."visit us"<br /><br />I have and continue to do so.<br /><br />"I suspect the reason Chabadskers are sliding far off is because they think that the wider chariedisher public has noting to offer for them"<br /><br />Yehupitz's testimony - that "I've never learned in a Chabad Yeshiva, but I've visited a few. They learn plenty. The sedorim are filled, with open gemaras and "real" seforim." - proves your suspicion to be unwarranted. Normative Lubavitcher's are well aware of the wealth of Lomdishe seforim and Musser seforim from non-chabad sources and their value to a far greater degree than normative Chareidisher are aware of the wealth of similar chabad sources.Chabad-Revisitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12507040680453821805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-77078751113421468042010-06-08T21:38:22.087-04:002010-06-08T21:38:22.087-04:00yeah, right. I enjoy it very much...
please.yeah, right. I enjoy it very much...<br /><br />please.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-58926426634846748542010-06-08T21:35:28.970-04:002010-06-08T21:35:28.970-04:00Hirshel
this sukka issue was discussed on you Blog...Hirshel<br />this sukka issue was discussed on you Blog tens of times, nothing new has been cooked up, its the same ... different day, I guess you enjoy itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-50838598928902096922010-06-08T20:50:44.995-04:002010-06-08T20:50:44.995-04:00FWIW, there is an English letter from the Rebbe to...FWIW, there is an English letter from the Rebbe to a non-chosid where he says that if one is sure he is able to sleep in the sukkah without arousing any feelings of disrespect, then by all means one should do so...Shmuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16058259176518112421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-88280970201906251732010-06-08T20:21:16.495-04:002010-06-08T20:21:16.495-04:00CT Blog, here you go sicko:
obvious fact #1
obvi...CT Blog, here you go sicko:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.chabad.info/index.php?url=article_he&id=47839" rel="nofollow">obvious fact #1</a><br /><br /><a href="http://chabad.info/index.php?url=article_he&id=52513" rel="nofollow">obvious fact #2</a><br /><br />ad infinitum, ad nauseam.Idiot Watchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-28354296512799153682010-06-08T19:59:46.262-04:002010-06-08T19:59:46.262-04:00Mottel or who ever you are, show me where anyone w...Mottel or who ever you are, show me where anyone who has any official capacity in Lubavitch says that the beliefs of Sokolovsky and the likes are not just nebechdiga nuts but pure apikoirsem,<br />in your next post please paste the links for all to see it not just anonymously on CTs blogCTs blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-56387746270543081502010-06-08T19:49:17.734-04:002010-06-08T19:49:17.734-04:00-Dovy: Ariel Sokolovsky and the handful of other n...-Dovy: Ariel Sokolovsky and the handful of other not jobs are sick people. They are disturbed and need medication and psychological treatment. I once met a "Snag" that gave me his explanation for his chilul shabbos and giloi ariyus . . . shall I judge the pathetic sevaros of this sicko on the Litvishe mosdos that produced him? Please. . . .Mottelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582397390892396507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-89672785290251063282010-06-08T19:18:27.384-04:002010-06-08T19:18:27.384-04:00Chabad-Revisited said.
"We Chabadnik's m...Chabad-Revisited said.<br />"We Chabadnik's may be different, but you may find, that we're really not that far off, and we might even have something to offer to the wider Charaidisher public."<br />I suspect the reason Chabadskers are sliding far off is because they think that the wider chariedisher public has noting to offer for them,<br />add to this their integration into the social, politically,financially organizational fabric of the non charidisher public, the future doesn't seem bright, <br />down the road history has proven that worshiping a leader without Hisbadlus from non-Torahdig influences is not enough to sustain a Jewish identityvisit usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-52643662371763312502010-06-08T18:25:40.913-04:002010-06-08T18:25:40.913-04:00I find it very refreshing to read such a balanced ...I find it very refreshing to read such a balanced and orderly review of issues that usually incite controversy and extremism on all sides. It just goes to show that if people would only take the time to look into the issues and study the sources with an open mind the accusations and misunderstandings simply dissolve. <br /><br />Certainly there are a lot of mishugoim and extremists who have infiltrated our ranks, and there is not all that much we can do to get rid of them. But if you happen to find a mainstream Lubavitcher who learns Chassidus with a level head, you be surprised. We Chabadnik's may be different, but you may find, that we're really not that far off, and we might even have something to offer to the wider Charaidisher public.<br /><br />Yehupitz is to be congratulated for having the guts to use his mind and for allowing himself to come to conclusions other than those which his Roshei Yeshivah tried to impress him with. Which ever party we belong to, we should take an example from Yehupitz and approach controversy prepared to explore controversial ground impartially and be "mekabel ho'emes m'mi she'omroi".Chabad-Revisitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12507040680453821805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-38079142917865794912010-06-08T17:25:21.999-04:002010-06-08T17:25:21.999-04:00Moshe,
If you are open to a civil discussion, why ...Moshe,<br />If you are open to a civil discussion, why an opening salvo about shallowness and intellectual dishonesty? Just ask, and I'll do my best to clarify how I think. Then you can disagree and sholom al hablog.<br /><br />Re: The sukkah sicha, I was not addressing the Rebbe's etzem sevara of "mitztaeir", which truth be told I do find farfetched. My point was that the Rebbe was not explaining how the sevara trumps Halacha as much as he was explaining how such a sevara could justify following a kula by Rebbes who were otherwise machmir (or mehadeir) in their halachic observance.<br /><br />More later...yehupitznoreply@blogger.com