tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post4938951434822826101..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: you wishHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-45227703243276351072010-01-14T13:39:40.147-05:002010-01-14T13:39:40.147-05:00Tzig,
"you and the other commenters are what ...Tzig,<br />"you and the other commenters are what proves my point over and over again. How people that are supposedly totally immersed in hashem's chochmah have none. They cannot see past the surface."<br />I know you tried to insult me there, but you insult yourself worse. Lets avoid the petty name calling and stick to the topic. <br />(Agav, I am not supposedly immersed in hashems chochmah.)<br />Anyhow, please, stick to the point. Answer the questions. Or do you just not have an answer?<br />Are ROD's peyos really more unsightly than a lubavitcher in torn jeans, t-shirt and caveman beard?<br />Was the Rebbe the last in Chabad who had reshus to trim his growth?<br />Can you really compare bachurim in litfish yeshivos not being on the same darga as 70 years ago to most Chabdniks not knowing what chabad is about at all in the first place?<br />Do you honestly believe that an am ho'orets with a shtreimel and a beck is as shocking as one of the most intelectual chassidusin becoming all about billboards,flags and street signs?giztnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-13895450074832614462010-01-13T15:17:53.503-05:002010-01-13T15:17:53.503-05:00Anonymous. I do not need to argue that "its s...Anonymous. I do not need to argue that "its still no good" to use your phrase ,the facts on the ground bekame eyfanim verify that.<br />I never criticized Chabad for being Rebbe centered after all that is what Chassidus is. Meyfsim are another thing.<br />But the issue is not the critics or myself , why must critics always attack in a personal way without talking about the issues ? the issue is whats going on in many dimensions meta physical and physical.<br />Finally Neither I or many other people give eyzoth to the Belzer, Zviller, or Gerer Chassidim , as these grooups and other such groups "mishen zich nit in yenems eysakim", but since Chabad gets involved in jewish issues of all sorts and claims to be a Klala Israel group, then outsiders have a right to their opinon.Ot is it only a one way street. If you guys can tell a shul in Yehupatz what Nusach to daven and what name to use and who to make "chief rabbi"then we can give advise to you too.schneurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-83013759879660261692010-01-13T13:15:59.346-05:002010-01-13T13:15:59.346-05:00you wanna hear something? crack a sefer. Open a Ta...you wanna hear something? crack a sefer. Open a Tanya or a Torah Or.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-35981584365455304422010-01-13T00:49:10.073-05:002010-01-13T00:49:10.073-05:00Hirshel,
It's 27 Teves and I still don't ...Hirshel,<br /><br />It's 27 Teves and I still don't see anything about the Alter Rebbe's yahrtzeit.<br /><br />Lubavitch today is more removed from the Alter Rebbe than any other frum group. The AR stressed deveikus in Hashem Yisborach, אין עוד מלבדו. Lubavitchers today think of the Rebbe all day instead. I'm sure that the average Lakewood talmid thinks more of Hashem than a Lubab. Everyone worries about chillul shem hashem. Lubabs worry about chillul shem ha'rebbe and chillul shem Lubavitch.<br /><br />Hirshel, you are wrong about Litvaks also. The average Litvak today is much better off than the average litvak before the war. The yeshivas have become the place for everyone instead of a select few, as they once were. It's similar to when R. Gamliel was removed from his nesius and they let everyone into the beis hamedrash. And in BMG elites exist today also. There are a number of world class geonim learning their full time in BMG. Of course there's no R. Baruch Ber, etc today.An Ailmeshernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-45515626756280655112010-01-12T16:16:51.448-05:002010-01-12T16:16:51.448-05:00Hocker
" the satmar rebbe was right just by &...Hocker<br />" the satmar rebbe was right just by "<br />what exactly did the Satmar Rov say? and when?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64169239397421419592010-01-12T16:12:00.932-05:002010-01-12T16:12:00.932-05:00Shneur,
I am not getting it with all this Chabad d...Shneur,<br />I am not getting it with all this Chabad detractors, when the Rebbe was alive you and your friends claimed that Chabad is too much Rebbe centered,and they always argued that original chabad according to the AR letters is not a mofsim factory since he isnt a Novi as Shmuel Hanovi, so now when there no rebbe and just a theology its still no good? Why????You probably know that the only place the AR and the Miteller Rebbe discuss hiskashrus on a big scale is on Rebbes that were not alive as Reb Mendel Horodoker, and the Mamorie Histatchus. The Chabad Rebbiem left enough Torah for generations and generations to study, and let Rabonim and Mashpim take care on the flock. And for a nice Bekiche with a Capelye of fiddles you can always go to 15th ave cor 48 in Brooklyn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-23412103778990400902010-01-12T15:34:23.173-05:002010-01-12T15:34:23.173-05:00>Was there a time when Chabad had no rebbe as a...>Was there a time when Chabad had no rebbe as an institutional doctrine (No not the period between Mahrash and The Rashab)<<br /><br />You should have asked the Rebbe by dollars why he wasn't grooming anyone to take over. It's a bit late to ask him now (I think).Friendly Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-78397532574684510012010-01-12T14:15:24.482-05:002010-01-12T14:15:24.482-05:00gizt
you and the other commenters are what proves...gizt<br /><br />you and the other commenters are what proves my point over and over again. How people that are supposedly totally immersed in hashem's chochmah have none. They cannot see past the surface.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-31001131925204275832010-01-12T14:10:14.398-05:002010-01-12T14:10:14.398-05:00Tzig,
This post and the comments are a perfect exa...Tzig,<br />This post and the comments are a perfect example of you doing the exact opposite of your objective - "provide a counter opinion to the Chabad bashing ".<br />The comments are way way more convincing than your post.<br />Do you really think that the changes in klal yisroel in general even come close to the changes in chabad?<br />The changes in klal yisroel are changes due to the yeridas hadoros. The changes in chabad (that bother people) are changes due to major changes in hashkafa.<br />And the probing by lubavitch does not need to be any deeper than by anybody else: Lubavitchers of yesteryear did not wear smashed hats. They did not, for the most part, have wild and beastly looking beards (Which is why making fun of RODs peyos made no sense to me at all! His peyos look no stranger than the beards of most lubavitchers!). They were much more about the penimiyus, the CHABA"D, not the big posters and wild hoopla.<br />Don't be so paranoid and think that chabad is more probed. Chabad has changed alot more than anybody ever immagined.giztnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-48283026741029245032010-01-12T11:18:19.824-05:002010-01-12T11:18:19.824-05:00Of course you are correct. Everything changes even...Of course you are correct. Everything changes even Charedi Judaism, although they do not admit it as my yeshiva principal's constant refrain (he was a Lubavitcher) Judaism never changes ! I bet .<br />But there is change and there is change.<br />Was there a time when Chabad had no rebbe as an institutional doctrine (No not the period between Mahrash and The Rashab)..<br />That Reb Tzig is a change of major proportions .<br />It's like the Lakewood yeshiva decalring that from here on in they would no longer have any toshe yeshiva and the yungeleit could stay home and be eidemer af kest in Flatbush and the 5 Towns.<br />Next of course Lubavitch had a Messianic component , but in all honesty a good part of present day Lubavitch thinking and behavior is predicated on the assuption that the last rebbe is mashiach ad sof kol hadeyres. Now thats a change ! Imagine lakewood eclaring that Reb Aron Kotler is the Mashiach ad sof kol hadeyres ? and that developing into a major part of lakewood doctrine. <br /><br />Outreach , meyfsim chitzonius etc those one can explain as legitimate change (does not mean that it makes many comfortable, but its normal change)schneurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-22979598666928311152010-01-12T10:46:06.502-05:002010-01-12T10:46:06.502-05:00The neshomos of today's generation are on a lo...The neshomos of today's generation are on a lower level than the neshomos of previos generations (hence the term "ikvesa" in relation to where our neshomos stand in Odom Horishon's neshomo).Friendly Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-16599261873637658372010-01-12T09:41:19.171-05:002010-01-12T09:41:19.171-05:00You are so off that i don't know where to star...You are so off that i don't know where to start. I'll just touch on a few yishma chchom vyosef...<br /><br />The main difference between today's chabad and all other chasiddus (satmar, belz, ger, skver, bobov, sanz etc.) is all about "Lifestyle". The typical chabad couple lives a complete "american" lifestyle complete with secular entertainment (TV, movies, sports) social interaction between men/women, boys/girls etc. and last but not least is Tznios/Levush.<br /><br />All other chasiddus live a complete yidishe lifestyle. <br /><br />The heart and soul is missing by ALL, at least "firt men zich oif vi a yid nisht vi a goy"AHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-49332946522997622082010-01-12T09:23:56.412-05:002010-01-12T09:23:56.412-05:00i guess hoker means the 7th rebbe was a lon bbais ...i guess hoker means the 7th rebbe was a lon bbais hakevorosOrthodoxJewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677943477136914734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-6298361039701568522010-01-12T09:22:22.614-05:002010-01-12T09:22:22.614-05:00reb boruch ber exposed chabad back than so i agre...reb boruch ber exposed chabad back than so i agree lubavitch has not changed they have always been like thatOrthodoxJewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677943477136914734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-30375482523807352482010-01-12T08:49:01.283-05:002010-01-12T08:49:01.283-05:00I accept your argument of lubavitch being as crazy...I accept your argument of lubavitch being as crazy as they are today even before the 6th rebbe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-65229384799867101972010-01-12T04:00:49.961-05:002010-01-12T04:00:49.961-05:00There are far more people in the yeshivas than the...There are far more people in the yeshivas than there were "back in the day". Of course the average level will be lower.Joe in Australianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-8362936204430941932010-01-12T03:32:07.104-05:002010-01-12T03:32:07.104-05:00did you mean novol birshus hateyreh?
nitpicker
p...did you mean novol birshus hateyreh?<br /><br />nitpicker<br /><br />p.s. nice postAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-30601739200823865402010-01-12T02:45:29.514-05:002010-01-12T02:45:29.514-05:00It was nice seeing you back on 18 Avenue today! We...It was nice seeing you back on 18 Avenue today! Welcome back with Brocho V'hatzlocho!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-74571107817580323172010-01-12T02:23:57.872-05:002010-01-12T02:23:57.872-05:00Silly post.
Btw what is the following copied from ...Silly post.<br />Btw what is the following copied from your post: "Novol B'shaas HaToyreh'nikkes " What is a novol "bshaas hatoyreh"?><br /><br />Your premise about how oylem hayeshivos today is very different from amool is not true.You yourself have admitted to never being in BMG and akshened ayn, even when corrected about the correct pronunciation of the address of Brisk,Rechov PRESS ,leads me to surmise that you have never been there either.<br />Bkitser you are talking meoylom hatachton.<br />The new face of Chabad we've all seen.In light of the posting on the celebrations on fast days on youtube by YOUR ARCH ENEMY Vosizneias, Shomrei Shabbos in Boro Park was the scene of many a discussion about where and when Chabad lost their marbles.<br />Who do you think you can continue to fop by claiming that it's a poor meshiguem?True that breaking fasts with a feast and kidush is not a common prtactice, but the Meshichisten are not far behind.<br />So continue to try and convince yourselfchaimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-47139640176482157282010-01-12T01:26:06.946-05:002010-01-12T01:26:06.946-05:00i loved the mishpacha interveiew of krinsky it sho...i loved the mishpacha interveiew of krinsky it showed that reb schach and reb aaron kotler were wrong about the lubavicher rebbe<br /><br />the satmar rebbe was right just by the fact that the lubavicher spent so much time by the grave yard <br /><br /><br />need i say more ? vhamaven yovin!!!!!HOCKERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15313965235078827460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-29332275751486220672010-01-12T01:23:26.309-05:002010-01-12T01:23:26.309-05:00I just dont get it why do you love to put down lit...I just dont get it why do you love to put down litvishe bochurim that you know nothing about? i scaned all so called snag websites looking for chabad bashing i did not see anything at all so why the ax to grind? cant you move on?HOCKERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15313965235078827460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-22441810612440010372010-01-12T01:19:53.097-05:002010-01-12T01:19:53.097-05:00OY, MAH HEYEH LANU!OY, MAH HEYEH LANU!SDRnoreply@blogger.com