tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post5034888086584692673..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: The (Yeshiva) World (in the 50's and 60's) according to SchneurHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-12643252829629847912008-02-15T02:45:00.000-05:002008-02-15T02:45:00.000-05:00Listening to R' Aharon Rekeffet's shiurim online t...Listening to R' Aharon Rekeffet's shiurim online tonight, he said very clearly that R' Chaim Soloveichik's statements about his father are his own misplaced emotions on the situation . . .Mottelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582397390892396507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-82790052776819215522008-02-08T01:02:00.000-05:002008-02-08T01:02:00.000-05:00Limayseh, anonymous supported me that it was R. Sh...Limayseh, anonymous supported me that it was R. Shlaymeh (adjusted for Galitzianer or other pronunciation), not Solomon Kluger. The talmidim weren't going around saying 'I go to Sol Kluger', Rachmono litzlon. R. Slaymeh Kluger is geven a grayser gaon.<BR/><BR/>Re RJJ - some said R. Yankev Yaysef and others used the roshei teivos RJJ. I have heard both. And I am not talking about the Rabbeim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-58281517019770535242008-02-08T00:03:00.000-05:002008-02-08T00:03:00.000-05:00Dym? and they both passed away already?!In Spinka ...<EM>Dym?</EM> and they both passed away already?!<BR/><BR/>In <EM>Spinka</EM> we had a principal named <EM>Reb Meir HaKohen Dym z"l,</EM> was he their father?Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-29386716230217015382008-02-07T23:59:00.000-05:002008-02-07T23:59:00.000-05:00The boys in the picture are actually from the Satm...The boys in the picture are actually from the Satmar Chaider in Williamsburg. The twins are the Dym brothers, a"h, originally from Willy. Some of these boys were my friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-13382138451982112992008-02-07T22:52:00.000-05:002008-02-07T22:52:00.000-05:00who gives the YZ shiur, his son?In any case, the R...who gives the YZ shiur, his son?<BR/><BR/>In any case, the Rabbeyim calling it Yankef Yasef is like The Rabbeyim at YU calling Yitzchok Elchonon, it means very little.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-19806791753322782722008-02-07T21:31:00.000-05:002008-02-07T21:31:00.000-05:00The students said they went to RJJ. The rebeeim us...The students said they went to RJJ. The rebeeim used R. Yaankov Yosef. They were Litvisher so whichever way you spell their phonolgy.<BR/><BR/>I don't remember any Solomon Kluger. I remember Sholoima Kluger, which btw was a wonderful place. The guys who might remeber are those who show up for the Steinwurzel yahrzeit shiyur in Brooklyn, if it still exists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-26458051530244315242008-02-07T18:26:00.000-05:002008-02-07T18:26:00.000-05:00"no, as in Rabbi Jacob Joseph School, it was never..."no, as in Rabbi Jacob Joseph School, it was never known as the Reb Yankev Yaysef School"<BR/><BR/>???<BR/><BR/>Farkert, it was known as R. Yankev Yayseif.<BR/><BR/>Anyone want to chime in here and back me up ? <BR/><BR/>Just because when the President writes in a modern paper he writes 'Rabbi Jacob Joseph School', it doesn't mean that that's what the hamayn am calls it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-37460562429339349642008-02-07T18:07:00.000-05:002008-02-07T18:07:00.000-05:00no, as in Rabbi Jacob Joseph School, it was never ...no, as in Rabbi Jacob Joseph School, it was never known as the <EM>Reb Yankev Yaysef School.</EM>Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-61800283522831814572008-02-07T17:55:00.000-05:002008-02-07T17:55:00.000-05:00"It was known as Solomon Kluger, not Shlayme."You ..."It was known as Solomon Kluger, not Shlayme."<BR/><BR/>You mean like the Bobover Rebbe R. Shlaymeh used to have that English version of his name printed on his stationery ? Iz vos ? How did the hamayn am call it??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-36812989518314875812008-02-07T17:27:00.000-05:002008-02-07T17:27:00.000-05:00AAMOF= as a matter of factIt merged probably becau...AAMOF= as a matter of fact<BR/><BR/>It merged probably because YCS got their building <EM>al tnai</EM>. It was known as Solomon Kluger, not <EM>Shlayme.</EM>Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-50082877336399833692008-02-07T17:23:00.000-05:002008-02-07T17:23:00.000-05:00AAMOF ?"It was more like RJJ." So why did they nee...AAMOF ?<BR/><BR/>"It was more like RJJ." So why did they need their own maysed ?<BR/><BR/>I think it was made by Galitzianer, hence the name after R. Shlaymeh, and since most Galitzianers were Chassidish, so it was Chassidish or so leaning. <BR/><BR/>Why do you think it later became part of YCS ? Presumably there was a tzad hashoveh, something in common, for there to be such a shidduch.<BR/><BR/>Schneur - vos zogt ihr?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-32097597441485943992008-02-07T17:11:00.000-05:002008-02-07T17:11:00.000-05:00=not sure.=not sure.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-39570967929885837822008-02-07T17:10:00.000-05:002008-02-07T17:10:00.000-05:00I'm not YRSK was Chassidish, AAMOF I'm sure it was...I'm not YRSK was <EM>Chassidish,</EM> AAMOF I'm sure it wasn't. It was more like RJJ. Only later did YCS merge and incorporate the YRSK name into its own. But I disagree with Gordon that these are <EM>Davka</EM> kids from <EM>Tzeylemer Cheder.</EM>Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-83830012022889496002008-02-07T17:02:00.000-05:002008-02-07T17:02:00.000-05:00" the Tzeilemer Chaider in Willy.It was the first ..." the Tzeilemer Chaider in Willy.It was the first Chasidic leaning chaider in America, was opened up around 1940"<BR/><BR/>What about Yeshive R. Shlayme Kluger ???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-48943287277480472452008-02-07T14:30:00.000-05:002008-02-07T14:30:00.000-05:00I think the point is that Yoshe really has no R at...I think the point is that <EM>Yoshe</EM> really has no R at the end. It's sort of like a Brooklyn guy saying idea<EM>r,</EM> or Cuba<EM>r,</EM> The R is superfluous.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-80213950302429020772008-02-07T14:28:00.000-05:002008-02-07T14:28:00.000-05:00"Yekusiel Yehuda=Zalman Leib as in R'Zalman Leib T..."Yekusiel Yehuda=Zalman Leib as in R'Zalman Leib Teitelbaum of the 'Zalies' fame."<BR/><BR/>When he came to Lakewood, the signs said "Yekusiel Yehuda", and nobody knew who that was. They had to go all around Lakewood and put on stickers saying Zalmen Leib. <BR/><BR/>Just how do you spell Yosher in Yiddish?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-65716011631739330322008-02-07T12:52:00.000-05:002008-02-07T12:52:00.000-05:00zalman is solomon or shlomo in yiddish.zalman is solomon or shlomo in yiddish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-78559437169585867692008-02-07T09:29:00.000-05:002008-02-07T09:29:00.000-05:00Just to make this clear, I don’t disagree with Sch...Just to make this clear, I don’t disagree with Schneur, I just think he over states his case. RE dating. In the 50’s and 60’s, MOST yeshivaliet meet their spouses throw an intermediary, usually a friend, relative, rov or rosh yeshiva etc. But since there was less gender separation than now, it was common, although not anything NEAR a majority for a couple to meet each other and get married.<BR/><BR/>“Twisty<BR/><BR/>you're dropping too many hints....”<BR/><BR/>You are right, I should be more careful. But just for you HT, a close relative of mine [see I am being mare careful already] was the FIRST talmid in Lubavitch. In fact, the yeshiva was opened for him!!! The previous Rebbe told his father that he couldn’t open a yeshiva without Limude Chol, as no one (including I presume his own Chassidim) would send. To which his father said “I’ll send my son”. And did. (No, my relative is NOT Chabad, if fact, while chassidish, he views Chabad as a bunch of crazies. You got to clean out the junk in your basement!!!!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-27388353540270464382008-02-07T03:10:00.000-05:002008-02-07T03:10:00.000-05:00Also,Twisty,Your version of the yeshiva history is...Also,Twisty,<BR/>Your version of the yeshiva history is more accurate than Schneours, probably because your dad attended a kolel at the time while Schneour, though quite knowledgable was in a different enviroment.<BR/>Btw, the pic you have looks like it's taken out of Chaim Potoks movie, The Chosen, which always looked fake to me, but with this pic, maybe not.<BR/>If I had to guess I would say the pic is from the Tzeilemer Chaider in Willy.It was the first Chasidic leaning chaider in America, was opened up around 1940,when you had some frum Oberlander and others, they had very good secular studies and the kids were from Hungarian style backrounds.Satmar kids never looked like thisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-63801137204542505702008-02-07T03:00:00.000-05:002008-02-07T03:00:00.000-05:00TwistyJust wanted to explain to you(nicely)what Be...Twisty<BR/>Just wanted to explain to you(nicely)what Berl,CH was mocking you about:R'Soloveichiks given name was Yoisef Dov, in Litvishe circles Yoisef was nicknamed Yosheh, without an R.Dov=Ber in yiddish, hence Yoisef Doiv=Yoshe Ber.<BR/><BR/>Yiddish has someone strange equivalents for names, for example Yekusiel Yehuda=Zalman Leib as in R'Zalman Leib Teitelbaum of the 'Zalies' fame.Actually I don't know how Yekusiel=zalman, but Yehuda was often nicknamed as Leibel.<BR/>Zvi=Hershel<BR/>Ze'ev=Volf, etc..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-59012458574159984652008-02-06T23:49:00.000-05:002008-02-06T23:49:00.000-05:00Twistyyou're dropping too many hints....Twisty<BR/><BR/>you're dropping too many hints....Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-60116953300981744192008-02-06T22:29:00.000-05:002008-02-06T22:29:00.000-05:00I guess it takes a woman to notice that. I saw tha...I guess it takes a woman to notice that. I saw that too, and was tickled silly by it. Can you imagine a kid today wearing a hat like that with what looks like jeans and is converse sneakers?<BR/><BR/>Those 2 are twins, I wonder if one our Williamsburg readers can fill us on who they are.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-6440640811913756892008-02-06T21:58:00.000-05:002008-02-06T21:58:00.000-05:00What comes around goes around. Love that picture ...What comes around goes around. Love that picture of those boychicklach. It looks like they are wearing Converses.chchickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527049307499856338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-8896730547313501712008-02-06T21:08:00.000-05:002008-02-06T21:08:00.000-05:00"Finally can the readers name me a example of pre ..."Finally can the readers name me a example of pre War American Litvishe rabbonim who were pert of the Aguda"<BR/><BR/>I have TWO grandfathers who were Young Isreal Rabbis prewar that were Aguda members. Both were American born, who went to study in Europe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-78019300095193062632008-02-06T21:05:00.000-05:002008-02-06T21:05:00.000-05:00OK Schneur, here goes;My father was in Gur Arye Ko...OK Schneur, here goes;<BR/>My father was in Gur Arye Kolle in 64-67, and in MTJ thereafter. There were around 25 yungelite in each.<BR/>Bais Hatalmud in the sixties probably had a majority of American yungelite in the sixties, among them my Father in law, who is a FOURTH generation American. Around thirty ‘yungelite’, AND a number of older European members, many of which had positions in the Yeshiva or other yeshiva. The MIR did have a Kollel, but I know nobody with first hand knowledge of how many etc. But the number 200 is extremely low. Assuming all the yeshivas mentioned had kollelim of similar size, that would mean there were around 400 kollel guys in the 60’s at any one time. Rav Arons funeral was attended by around 3,000 people, as per my fathers recollections, at least 60% were American. Probably a good idea of how many ‘yeshivlite’ there were in America then, although I agree that many would not be considered ‘spitz yeshivish’ today.<BR/>Yes, a great many of the talmidim of the 40’s and 50’s (and to a lesser extent the 60’s) did not remain frum. In fact, a talmid of Rav Shlomo Hieman told me that HALF the talmidim of Rav Shlomo in his shiur are not frum!!!! But I don’t see the relevance, of course there were many none yeshiveliet then. BTW, many of these boys came to yeshiva from public school, not exactly the most committed background.<BR/>Other than Rav Silver, there was NO rabbi in Aguda who thought himself the equal of Rav Aron, INCLUDING Rav Moshe. And by Rav Arons levaya, it was understood that the Godal hador had passed away. <BR/>Yes, the Vietnam war boosted yeshiva attendance.<BR/>Truthfully Schneur. We are not really arguing, it is just a question of degree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com