tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post536913452909490782..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: They're killing us!Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-82457536436531264922010-01-12T22:25:52.939-05:002010-01-12T22:25:52.939-05:00In response to comment above of Monday, January 04...In response to comment above of Monday, January 04, 2010 8:38:00 PM -<br /><br />I am aware of that story, but cute as it is, I don't buy it. <br /><br />1) Putting in cheirem is not the same as a tzivui to shecht/make an akeidah.<br /><br /><br />2) If you go by that logic, then take out the halochos of putting in cheirem and change it to 'must be commanded straight from the Ribbono shel olam'. I don't think Lubavitchers have altered the shulchan oruch in that way.<br /><br />3) I notice in the latest post, talking about the asoro biteves eaters in Australia, that no Lubavitchers are protesting the strong action against them using this logic. So obviously when it comes to snags, convenient for Lubavitchers, they come up with such stories, but when they want to, they do it anyway.<br /><br />P.S. Rav Dov Eliach shlit"a in sefer haGaon has a different explanation for why R. Chaim Volozhin wasn't signed on it. R. Chaim was not in Vilna, where the cheirem was issued, he was elsewhere, and in a very small town to boot. They didn't go around to every shtetl collecting signatures. There were no cars, telephones, fax machines, e-mail, etc., in those days if you recall, by the way.snagnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-41569287777293985332010-01-05T12:30:08.943-05:002010-01-05T12:30:08.943-05:00Anon
after Yechi they also say 3 times a day
&qu...Anon<br />after Yechi they also say 3 times a day <br />"Arye Lieb mechalel shabbos befarhesia"<br />now you feel better?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-39715077377682427242010-01-04T20:38:20.039-05:002010-01-04T20:38:20.039-05:00Snag
It seems that reb Chaim Valoizhiner did
buy t...Snag<br />It seems that reb Chaim Valoizhiner did<br />buy the Chassidic logic, wasn't as sophisticated as you, to see beyond the facade.<br />מולוזין כששאלו אותו למה איננו מצטרף למחלקת נגד החסידים ואיננו הולך<br />בדרכי רבו הגדול הגאון מוילנא זצוק״ל. רבנו חיים זצ״ל הביא ראיה מן המקרא<br />להחלטתו. בעקידת יצחק מספרת לנו התורה שבא הקב״ה בכבודו ובעצמו וצוד.<br />לאברהם אבינו שיקריב את יצחק בנו. אולם כשרצה הקב״ה להציל את יצחק, לא<br />בא בעצמו אלא שלח מלאך ה׳, ללמדנו שאסור לשחוט ישראל אפילו על פי צווי<br />מלאך ה׳ צבאות, רק עפ״י הקב״ה בעצמו, לא ע״י מלאך ולא על ידי שרף ו אבל<br />להציל נפש אחת מישראל, אפילו שהקב״ה בכבות ובעצמו צוה לשחטה, מותר<br />לשמע בקול מלאך. והמשיך הגאון רבנו חיים ז״ל: ״רבנו הגדול היה כמלאך ה׳<br />צבאות ממש, אבל זה לא די במחלקת כזו; בענין כזה נצרכים אנחנו להקב״ה<br />בכבודו ובעצמו״. [ב״בית רבי״ הובא דבר זה בשם הגאון ר׳ רפאל הכהן<br />מהמבורג, בעל תורת יקותיאל. אבל אבי הגאון הצדיק סיפר לי זה מרבנו חיים<br />מולוזין, ואבי היה תמיד מעורר אותי על חשיבת אהבת ישראל העומדת ברומו<br />של עולם היהדות.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-90194478072735973492010-01-04T20:25:10.531-05:002010-01-04T20:25:10.531-05:00Does chabad officially recognise that the Rebbe...Does chabad officially recognise that the Rebbe's brother was a mechalel shabbos befarhesia ?<br /><br />Reb Yisrael Friedman like many Rebbishe kinder did not want to become Rebbe because many of the children of Rebbes immeadiately post war did not believe in chassidus any more. He was emotionally supportive of Boyan because of his emotional guilt and did not want the 'chain' to end with him, but on a persoanal level it did not stop him from living his life as he wanted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-45657446574196521622010-01-03T17:46:16.086-05:002010-01-03T17:46:16.086-05:00Snag
" recognizes(potential) Lubavitch(Liadi)...Snag<br />" recognizes(potential) Lubavitch(Liadi)/Hassidic (truth)propaganda when he sees it"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-9002070358158416282010-01-03T15:06:41.204-05:002010-01-03T15:06:41.204-05:00"Snag,
So the criteria of a Misnagdishe Spoke..."Snag,<br />So the criteria of a Misnagdishe Spokesman is <br />a ignorant rigid ferd, never heard of a other viewpoint in his lifetime?"<br /><br />No, it is someone who keeps his misnagdishe head on, recognizes Lubavitch/Hassidic propaganda when he sees it, and treats it with the contempt it deserves.snagnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-60425706676858509272010-01-02T22:16:47.260-05:002010-01-02T22:16:47.260-05:00Snag,
So the criteria of a Misnagdishe Spokesman i...Snag,<br />So the criteria of a Misnagdishe Spokesman is <br />a ignorant rigid ferd, never heard of a other viewpoint in his lifetime?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-25009734943558094132010-01-01T01:39:52.053-05:002010-01-01T01:39:52.053-05:00"Anonymous said...
Snag,
"knowing that ..."Anonymous said... <br />Snag,<br />"knowing that the Chassidim could claim that such a meeting meant that he was okay with them"<br />if he would still make the Cherem after the meeting, you really think that Chassidim would spin it as a positive pegisha?"<br /><br />The Chassidim could then claim he really wasn't so against them, ha rayo he met them, ay cherem? 'politics'.<br /><br />A bit more re R. Yoshe Ber Soloveitchik - <br /><br />It is well known that he was corrupted in his youth by a Lubavitcher melamed, who, against the will and orders of his father R. Mayseh, who employed him, indoctrinated him with Lubavitch teachings. <br /><br />For him to say a thing like claiming that the Gaon was afraid of the baal hatanya shows that he became shvach in his misnagdishe faith. Just to set the record straight.<br /><br />Keveiydey bimkeimey munach, but he was a good darshan, with a very fertile imagination, and he departed from the misnagdishe consensus in this and other matters, so he should not be considered a misnagdishe spokesman.snagnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-25616902142718349152009-12-31T23:36:30.876-05:002009-12-31T23:36:30.876-05:00Oldtimer,
This is anon 3:22 again. It seems u and ...Oldtimer,<br />This is anon 3:22 again. It seems u and I are on the same page, refusing to buy into the latest myths floating around. Sometimes when my kids repeat what they heard in school on various yuma d'pagras my hair stands up. My favorite is 22 shvat when my daughter came home with lipstick to color with bec of a halberstam story how the rebbitzen gave some lipstick to a visiting kid so he can color. Or how halberstam's kids said the mah nishtana at the seder. And the Rebbe told yisroel duchman a"h to davven simchas torah at the amud. And i can go on and on. Unfortunately that's the way it goes. B"H the internet can be used to dispell myths but then again u get sites like col, chinfo, to perpetuate them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-11546780703473159852009-12-31T20:59:49.362-05:002009-12-31T20:59:49.362-05:00Scneur
" I find it interesting that a chassid...Scneur<br />" I find it interesting that a chassidus that will be melanmed zechus on intermarried Jews (they are only over 1 aveirah) will not cut Barry slack that he was Shomer Shabbes"<br />let me ask your rational side a few questions, <br />Whay was the Alte Rebbe Merachek Reb Aron Strasheler the last few years, After he wrote perek 32 in Tanya on the Chomer Hoinyan to love every Jew in any Matzav, Was Reb aron (probably his biggest talmud) worse then all these Jews?<br /><br />Talmidie Habesht and the Bardichever Rov included, invented (or renergized) the concept of Ahavas Yisroel, so how come they were about to make a cherem against Misnagdim Gedolie yisroel? just because they were fighting them? are the less then the Posheter Yid?<br />The Belzer Rov in Yerushaliem was famous for his ahavas yisroel for every Jew Chiloni or C haradie, then how come he was mad at the Satmar Rov when he gave the infamous derosha against him in Yeroshaliem on Aron and the Egel ? he said whoever was there needs his forgiveness on a personal level and people came in the masses. So again was Satmar Rov less the all the Chilonom Mechalelie shabosim? <br />there are a lot of answers but if you don't know the simple answer then you are a simple idiotAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-67126553687600072822009-12-31T20:44:52.709-05:002009-12-31T20:44:52.709-05:00Schneur
"Also I am not interested in going th...Schneur<br />"Also I am not interested in going therough the dirt"<br />stop saying that, you are the person bringing the Reshag/Barry episode on a monthly basisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-34829817683596973952009-12-31T20:37:21.443-05:002009-12-31T20:37:21.443-05:00Schneur
Since you are the spokesman of the Beis Ho...Schneur<br />Since you are the spokesman of the Beis Horav in exile, did you hear from your Rebbe (Barry) that the Rebbe stretched out a hand for peace after the case was closed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-91941853110033588042009-12-31T20:32:35.921-05:002009-12-31T20:32:35.921-05:00Oldtimer,
Stop with this nonsense, Chabad has a mo...Oldtimer,<br />Stop with this nonsense, Chabad has a more open biography then any Chasidic/Misnagdic kehila, I would say they should of choke alot of info that they are Mefarsem.for instance all the letters of the Reshags fight for the Nesius is available, etc..Obviously there are fantasies too, Kach Hi Darkoi Shel Chasidim..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-75629453312096091992009-12-31T20:26:58.974-05:002009-12-31T20:26:58.974-05:00Oldtimer
the gemora says that Duvid Hameleh brough...Oldtimer<br />the gemora says that Duvid Hameleh brought yp ythe neshoma of his son Avsholem from the 7 levels of hell, <br />since you and me are not Rebbes and Schneur neither,maybre the Rebbe had some rebbishe meisois to give a aliyas neshoma, Schneur is not forced to believe what by average Chosid it is no question that a rebbe has powers of tikun Neshoma,<br />RE Shneurs tirades,<br />He claims that he never read Memorial pages, but the Yemie Melech he definitely read, ( since he is obsessed with the Rebbes biography or hagiography which ever way he wants to phrase it)in the 3 volumes Horenstien is mentioned many times,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-19461777202549870872009-12-31T19:21:12.530-05:002009-12-31T19:21:12.530-05:00Anon
I"m not mechulek with you.The amcho chos...Anon<br />I"m not mechulek with you.The amcho chosid, newish, bal teshuva or from other kreizen has been led to believe some stuff that is simply not true,even some children from the gezh have been swept up in this.When fremdeh challenge them they start been defensive and nasty.<br />We may share a similar backround but I think the difference between us is that I am not an apologist,I will not help people with an anti agenda out, but will tell the truth to mevakshei emes or at least be quiet.I"m not scared of what you call "snags", you have made everybody who disagrees into a "snag".Vloi hu, many have respect but just differ with us.Sometimes these so called "menagdim" step up to the plate when ana"sh are frozen in place, not knowing what to do, especially since we lost The Urim Vetumim,the Rebbe.Lifshitz from Monsey is an example of someone who disagrees, but is there "bimkoim she'eyn Ana"sh".<br />My father had very good friends from the Russian/Litvishe side, we had more in common with them than the American and Hungarian Jewsoldtimernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-30922649068266576012009-12-31T19:00:54.363-05:002009-12-31T19:00:54.363-05:00Oldtimer
Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:06:00 PM
I&...Oldtimer<br />Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:06:00 PM<br />I'm anon 3:22:00 PM and with all my false humility my lubab yichus probably puts you and him together to shame. I'm born and bred, every one of my siblings is a geshvorine chossid of the Rebbe, and our family went thru major mesiras nefesh for hafotzas hamayanos. <br /><br />Since we're spilling it all out, let's lay it down. When EZ printed the book about YAL, many people laughed at it. He took minor snippets of things he heard and built a house of cards. Vert doch di shailoh, how did kehos print it and the Rebbe gave it out too!!<br /><br />Simple answer. The Rebbe said more than once that he takes no responsobility for what kehos prints and he doesn't have time to be magi'ah everything. Most of the kuntres is sichos the Rebbe said on 13 Iyar. The biography pages are NOT mugah and mostly it's EZ's chaloimois. BTW, the Rebbe said this even about likkutei sichos. Someone who worked on the sichos told me that you can be medayek in the toichon, maarei m'koimos, he'oros, shakla v'tarya of the sichos, but most of the diyukim people make on particular words are very lav davka.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-50135177450077503152009-12-31T17:49:36.591-05:002009-12-31T17:49:36.591-05:00Why does R' YYB say that the Berditchiver rath...Why does R' YYB say that the Berditchiver rather than the Horodoker accompanied the AR to the Gaon?Menashehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16593117409267020021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-27160310118740684392009-12-31T17:06:22.690-05:002009-12-31T17:06:22.690-05:00"Nobody made him into some tzaddik and it was..."Nobody made him into some tzaddik and it was well known about his frumkeit etc. Since he was a brother, people named children for him, but kovod melochim is your fantasy."<br /><br />You are making up stuff or are truly ignorant.As a Lubavitcher I don't want to get into this in public, but remember that Lubavitch is about truth to! I will not talk about this here,I will not criticize anything about Lubavitch in public, but also will not allow lies, even "good" lies about Lubavitch.<br />Since many people from non Lubavitch backrounds have become chasidim and mekushorim, which in itself is wonderful, but also truth and hagiographies are becoming rampant.Schneour is a guy who knows his stuff and anybody that kriegs with most of what he says is from the newer chasidimoldtimernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-87368420282027123042009-12-31T15:22:16.536-05:002009-12-31T15:22:16.536-05:00schneur,
u touche so many bases in one short post ...schneur,<br />u touche so many bases in one short post and I don't have time to cleanse you of your myths. The one thread thru it all is that you weren't/aren't around contemporary Chabad and obviously did not interact with the Rashag in a personal way. I did and your portrayal of him is way off.<br /><br />#1 he wanted the Rabistava in 1950. Maybe his MIL and wife were pushing him but he definitely tried to make a play for it. It took 2-3 yrs for him to accept the reality and then he became the biggest chossid of his BIL. The Amshinover (R' Shimmele ZT"L) played a part in making sholom v'ein kan m'koimoi.<br /><br />#2 Read the Rebbe's sichos of 13 Iyar (his brother's yartzeit). Most of them dwell on kabbalistic interpretations of his name and I have yet to find where the Rebbe talked openly about him. Nobody made him into some tzaddik and it was well known about his frumkeit etc. Since he was a brother, people named children for him, but kovod melochim is your fantasy.<br /><br />#3 The Rashag was always respected for his work in the yeshiva. Some detroiters said nasty things abt him, and 95% of chassidim think they're nuts. Especially today when the whole thing is teetering on financial ruin, they are ersht talking about him in a new light how he kept the yeshiva solvent.<br /><br />There's alot more to say and now is not the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-69381118405587293282009-12-31T13:30:44.392-05:002009-12-31T13:30:44.392-05:00Schneur,
If you don't read memorials so I hope...Schneur,<br />If you don't read memorials so I hope you also stopped reading Der Yid...<br />Try Daf Hayomi...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-2690739060916235552009-12-31T12:01:51.675-05:002009-12-31T12:01:51.675-05:00There is so much to say about Barry Gourary, Rasha...There is so much to say about Barry Gourary, Rashag, the rebbe etc but a blog is not the correct or appropriate place for this material. Also I am not interested in going therough the dirt.<br /> Let me just note , I find it interesting that a chassidus that will be melanmed zechus on intermarried Jews (they are only over 1 aveirah) will not cut Barry slack that he was Shomer Shabbes hey as Chazal say maybe he did teshuva ?<br />The Rashag looking for a minyon , lets not kid ourselves many "gor chashuve Anash" supported him in 1950-51, and those of us of a certain age know their names.Who knows maybe 770 would have a hard time getting a minyon of Anash over 22 years.<br />I neither study Chassidus nor do I spend time reading memorial ads in such book certainly not Chabad books. There are better ways of using your time.<br />I still have to hear a reasonable reply why a Communist brother of a rebbe gets kavod melochim in contemporary Chabad but the Chadban of the Nasi hador he was CHASNA DEBEI NESIAH is completely ignored. Maybe I should not write this but you who claim to be a chasid call him a officer of the yeshiva ? Did you see the letter the Rayatz wrote about him ro Anash in Israel when the Rashag visited there i the late 1930's ? An officer of the yeshiva and then what exactly was the Rebbe before 1950 ? Now this is a real attempt to re write history like saying that who was Hillel paritcher a stikel meshulach Right ? At the very least honor both of them ?<br />My resolve was not to write about the machlokes of the seforim and rehash the stuff, but thats not a green light to atatck the man !schneurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-15387887808859172852009-12-31T10:51:20.117-05:002009-12-31T10:51:20.117-05:00To Anonymous:
To the Russian Chosid - I was not a...To Anonymous:<br /><br />To the Russian Chosid - I was not aware of controversy within Boyan...really?<br /><br />there was never a controversy about a rabisteve- he never thought of becoming a Rebbe (that's for sure one of his malos).<br /><br />His yidishkeit was a bit controversial, so was his marriage- lets leave it at that.russian chusidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-71076027627533269502009-12-30T21:26:18.082-05:002009-12-30T21:26:18.082-05:00Snag
he probably made a mistake since he was ostra...Snag<br />he probably made a mistake since he was ostracized from the Daas Torah brigade that are infallibleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-30988773718218658002009-12-30T20:54:34.492-05:002009-12-30T20:54:34.492-05:00Shneur,
"another brother of a rabbe who was n...Shneur,<br />"another brother of a rabbe who was not a son of a rebbe and was clearly non religious and perhaps negative towards yahadus is given a tremendous amount of recognition"<br />Since the Rebbe became the Rebbe of Chabad then all his chasidim that were mekusher were out to give him a nachas ruach with what ever makes the Rebbe happy, may it be a name after his brother, You were never a chosid in real life you are just a outsider observer. Their is the famous sharfe vort of the FR(your Rebbes Ziede)about ahavas chasidim leraboim... its beyond beyond, you are like a Ger on that matter,also they probably wanted to give a aliya for his neshoma by naming yiddishe erliche kinder after him,maybe they got some sources that the neshoma will get a aliya from that. What kind of relation does a chosid have with dem Rebbens a shevoger? may he be the officer of Tomchei Temimim, get off that stupid bandwagon.The Belzer Rov gave less koved for the Bilgrayer Vedal..<br />-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-39237261013747564412009-12-30T20:44:46.261-05:002009-12-30T20:44:46.261-05:00I just listened to R. Yoshe Ber's talk via the...I just listened to R. Yoshe Ber's talk via the linked site.<br /><br />I find it humorous that you are promoting the talk as Teyras Mayshe, when we can see from the talk that RYBS didn't not have the full story about everything, case in point that he talks about the appearance of the baal hatanya, big forehead, etc., as if it is a real painting from his lifetime, when it has been shown that it wasn't so,was made later based on visage of a later,different Schneersohn, etc.<br /><br />So if he was way off on that,he can be way off on other things too.snagnoreply@blogger.com