tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post6003763208108420995..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: a letter.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-57233587783119236282010-12-13T09:46:35.471-05:002010-12-13T09:46:35.471-05:00"R Elyakim Shlezinger amongst so many others ..."R Elyakim Shlezinger amongst so many others have written that around the chazon ish you would see devarim all tivieim(Wonderous things that dont jive with nature) daily!"<br />Are you for real? <br />Are all the sipurei Chassidim that are written in the same vein and told about the Besht and his spiritual descendants down to our times, the creations of fertile imaginations,"Chassideshe bubbe maises",as the Litveshe leitzonim call them? This is your criteria for determining who is a 'malach Eloikim"? Ah, but when the same is written about the CI it becomes,pardon the expression,"gospel truth"?Anon3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-59544723956570972812010-12-12T23:25:12.048-05:002010-12-12T23:25:12.048-05:00To all anonymouses,
Yes it is in Toras R' Aha...To all anonymouses,<br /><br />Yes it is in Toras R' Aharon. I am quoting from memory but that is the gist of the hesped. You can look it up yourselves.An Ailmeshernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-81081683788395747652010-12-12T16:58:49.236-05:002010-12-12T16:58:49.236-05:00Chossidlite
on the chazon ish you dont need Reb El...Chossidlite<br />on the chazon ish you dont need Reb Elyokim Shlezinger, their is enough true stories, you dont need shlezingers fabrication.<br />Thanks for clarifying that you did not mean Malach literaly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-51174206343806643292010-12-12T12:27:49.428-05:002010-12-12T12:27:49.428-05:00Why do you care about his 2 cents or any other per...Why do you care about his 2 cents or any other persons? Are you doubtful and unsure?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-6657313168041665972010-12-11T23:45:28.810-05:002010-12-11T23:45:28.810-05:00no your 2 cents as to wether the chazon ish was th...no your 2 cents as to wether the chazon ish was the gaon hador and generally considered at the top of his generations great men!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-42526640057285498252010-12-11T22:52:46.974-05:002010-12-11T22:52:46.974-05:00Please Don't!!!!!Please Don't!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-16030096863326921792010-12-11T21:42:20.115-05:002010-12-11T21:42:20.115-05:00my 2 cents on whether the CI was a malach elokim?my 2 cents on whether the CI was a malach elokim?Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-50133328744865405192010-12-11T20:17:58.907-05:002010-12-11T20:17:58.907-05:00anon asked how do you know who is a malach eloikim...anon asked how do you know who is a malach eloikim? The simple answer is malach is just a borrowed term that is supposed to signify someones kedusha someones hispashtus from gashmius and oilam hazeh and as R Elyakim Shlezinger amongst so many others have written that around the chazon ish you would see devarim all tivieim(Wonderous things that dont jive with nature) daily!The c. Ish's life was a never ending chain of yesurim and he used all that to rise above everything.Btw tzig I'd love if you gave your 2 cents here!chossidlitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-46725528167342092112010-12-10T14:59:16.530-05:002010-12-10T14:59:16.530-05:00No. It's not a "story". It was simpl...No. It's not a "story". It was simplicity at its best, VAM"L. <br /><br />There were thousands like herAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-2528155871819110292010-12-10T13:23:27.089-05:002010-12-10T13:23:27.089-05:00Anon
"My grandmother zg''z, was moser...Anon<br />"My grandmother zg''z, was moser nefesh for yidishkeit"<br />how exactly? did she have a network of grandmothers helping her? It looks like a great story, I will send Mishpacha or Ami to her doorstepsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-46259625530377257972010-12-10T13:20:32.045-05:002010-12-10T13:20:32.045-05:00An Ailimisher
"The scientific and mathematica...An Ailimisher<br />"The scientific and mathematical knowledge he had was all for the purpose of understanding Torah"<br />did you see it in the hesped?<br />I dont believe he said it.<br />Btw, the Pushkin of Reb Aron (according the banned book of the ben horav)was for Parnosa? understanding torah? or sheer pleasure?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-9133879424201427372010-12-10T13:15:55.405-05:002010-12-10T13:15:55.405-05:00An Ailimisher
the hesped on the CI is printed in M...An Ailimisher<br />the hesped on the CI is printed in Mishnas Reb Aron?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-34489296244563078592010-12-10T13:13:31.487-05:002010-12-10T13:13:31.487-05:00Chosidlite
"gaon hador who was a malach eloik...Chosidlite<br />"gaon hador who was a malach eloikim!"<br />I understand that you are a Goan that can figure out who is the Goan Hador? but how do you figure out a Malach? are you a mini Malach?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-85249442668975408632010-12-10T12:51:04.557-05:002010-12-10T12:51:04.557-05:00Thomas
please have mercy on yourself. the letter ...Thomas<br /><br />please have mercy on yourself. the letter is no forgery and you're no Sherlock Holmes. That's how the Rebbe wrote when he referred to dollars in Hebrew.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-62895187194863980602010-12-10T12:47:34.606-05:002010-12-10T12:47:34.606-05:00anon3
G-d bless you, even though you don't li...anon3<br /><br />G-d bless you, even though you don't like my poetry. I don't want to speak about the Chazon Ish in this forum, and I will let you believe that the Ktzos hashulchan was an equal, and I will let you live.<br /><br />Remember: Gadlus, traditionaly in yiddishkeit (at least in the non-chabad version) is much more than acts of mesiras nefesh; even herculean ones. That does not a Rashgebehag make, let alone a Nosi Hador. <br />My grandmother zg''z, was moser nefesh for yidishkeit when she was alone in Rusland and Siber, afraid of the Enkevedayah, and never thought she'd ever get out and see a yid ever again. That is Gadlus, even though she can't read a blatt gemarah. She still ain't no posek achron - except on kreplach.<br /><br />Peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-14638495677688842972010-12-10T10:51:29.393-05:002010-12-10T10:51:29.393-05:00Olamhafuch
My point was not that there were Chass...Olamhafuch<br />My point was not that there were Chassideshe Geonim.<br />You said<br />"R. Aaron Kotler in his hesped on the Brisker Rov mentions that we have lost the Brisker Rov, R. Isser Zalman Meltzer and the Chazon Ish who is shakul keneged kulam."<br />To which I replied that may be true but all the above mentioned are Litveshe Gedolim. Therefore they considered the CI as THE Gaon Hador but which major chassideshe gedolim expressed the same sentiments about the CI being THE Gaon Hador?Anon3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-78670118202048281182010-12-10T10:16:54.690-05:002010-12-10T10:16:54.690-05:00anon3 listen the fact that you say there are no ch...anon3 listen the fact that you say there are no chassidim called gaon hador proves what that there are NO geonim of course not! And btw in yeshiva circles R Menachem zembia is definitely considered from the geoinai hador as is the Sfas Emes,Chidushei Harim,avnei Nezer,the Divrei Chaim ect. So i dont think its a litvish chassidish thing at all.olamhafuchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-39259514524656857322010-12-10T09:56:11.323-05:002010-12-10T09:56:11.323-05:00This letter may be a forgery. As I said there were...This letter may be a forgery. As I said there were no shekels at that time. Nor was shekel used as a translation for dollars.<br /> Thomas LowingerThomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18270120178757817560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-90622618815355077532010-12-10T02:25:52.535-05:002010-12-10T02:25:52.535-05:00to all of u who know nothing of toras hachasidus,...to all of u who know nothing of toras hachasidus, in the rebbe rayatzs chasidus is gionos way beyond to whas the ci was capable ofAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-48940031456464248162010-12-09T23:27:54.603-05:002010-12-09T23:27:54.603-05:00Nice recording of the Rebbe with a young voice.
R...Nice recording of the Rebbe with a young voice.<br /><br />R. Aaron Kotler in his hesped on the Brisker Rov mentions that we have lost the Brisker Rov, R. Isser Zalman Meltzer and the Chazon Ish who is shakul keneged kulam. He said that all of the time of the Chazon Ish was devoted to Torah. Nothing he did was not related to Torah. The scientific and mathematical knowledge he had was all for the purpose of understanding Torah. He didn't even have betailim of kedusha.<br /><br />So one may be forgiven if one wonders whether the Rebbe, who did have beteilim of kedusha, and did study secular studies, albeit for the purpose of parnossa, is not being nichva from the chupa of the Chazon Ish.An Ailmeshernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-38171726423480045592010-12-09T22:59:57.524-05:002010-12-09T22:59:57.524-05:00oilamhafuch
Nobody denies his gadlus in Taireh.How...oilamhafuch<br />Nobody denies his gadlus in Taireh.However how many other Geonim have been crowned with the title "gaon hador"in "our" time?The Chofetz Chaim,The Ragitchover gaon,Rav Ahron Kotler,Rav JJ soliveichik,Maran MBnai Brak and so on.It all depends on where your coming from<br />As to the Gedolim you say,sang his praises,They were all Litveshe. Where are the names of Chassideshe gedolim?Do I hear a Rav Menachem Ziemba,The Kozheklover Rov,The Minchas Elozer,Rav Chaim Noeh and so many others, to numerous to mention here, who were his contemporaries, so ver nisht tzu hitzt.<br />"to anon3 the same amount of miracles needed for the title "nasi doireinu"<br />I never said that the CI was not a "malach eloikim".My point was simply how does one differentiate between the CI being a malach eloikim and the Frierdike Rebbe not.What criteria do you use to make such a subjective observation?To make a wise crack quip does not address the question.Anon3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-89167204102484597632010-12-09T21:30:01.574-05:002010-12-09T21:30:01.574-05:00I don't know where you guys crawled out from b...I don't know where you guys crawled out from but to quibble on calling the CI the gaon hador? Is this some sort of joke?did you ever hear of R isser Zalman Meltzer who the brisker rov said was the illui with the "hei hayediah' in volozzhin,he said abt the chazon ish that while we are trying to figure out the poshut pshat in the rambams kiddush hachodesh he put out in his sefer deep toirah and pilpullim on the inyan. Cmon guys this is the Chazon Ish we are talking abt here not some 2nd rate rosh yeshiva cmon leys get with the programoilamhafuchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-18327959702903185822010-12-09T20:35:10.684-05:002010-12-09T20:35:10.684-05:00to anon3 the same amount of miracles needed for th...to anon3 the same amount of miracles needed for the title "nasi doireinu".littnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-62245964868845002412010-12-09T19:59:25.507-05:002010-12-09T19:59:25.507-05:00how can you possibly compare the chazon Ish to the...how can you possibly compare the chazon Ish to the previous Rebbe? i thought youre joking! The previus Rebbe was like a malach Elokim..and the few people left alive who had the zechus of seeing him, or basking in his presence will all testify to that...and besides- what human being can be the judge between Tzaddikim? you must think very highly of yourself...id love to know youre criteria for measuring heavenly matters...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-58360994068163110352010-12-09T19:17:26.804-05:002010-12-09T19:17:26.804-05:00"but of course that doesnt make them bigger t..."but of course that doesnt make them bigger then the gaon hador who was a malach eloikim!"<br />Is their anybody out there who is not the "gaon hador"? That appellation has been used to describe so many individuals in recent times that the term has become meaningless.<br />Can you please give us the parameters for one to be called a"malach elokim"? How many "verifiable miracles" must he perform before he is accorded such status? Is there some committee that consists by members of the Moietzes that decides who is promoted to such "saintliness" or perhaps the college of cardinals, lehavdil?Anon3noreply@blogger.com