tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post6657207747638528416..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: When's the moment?Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-80889898781209796682009-06-09T15:21:46.777-04:002009-06-09T15:21:46.777-04:00Check out Toras Menachem 2nd Day Shavuos 5717 Ois ...Check out Toras Menachem 2nd Day Shavuos 5717 Ois 12. The Nekuda is that the Geshmak and Hisppalus of Akdomus could distract from Kabbolas Hatorah itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-52262574063697539312009-06-07T14:13:46.264-04:002009-06-07T14:13:46.264-04:00Hey
I just saw Ner Izzy's last comments and i...Hey<br /><br />I just saw Ner Izzy's last comments and it looks like someone stole his identity.<br /><br />The comments are not consistent with the good ol'e Izzy that we came to love. <br /><br />Hirshel, what do you say?Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-8904979984538261972009-06-07T14:09:20.280-04:002009-06-07T14:09:20.280-04:00Hirshel Tzig
You give the implication that there ...Hirshel Tzig<br /><br />You give the implication that there is a 'moment' and different groups have different moments.<br /><br />In my experience, hisorerus is subjective and, for example, on Rosh Hashono, everybody has the 'moment'<br />at a different time and at a different juncture in the liturgy. others get very emotional during the Yehi Ratzon at the meals. Others by Nesaneh Tokef.<br /><br />One of my favorite shatzes got teary eyed toward the end of chazaras hashatz at mussof<br /><br />Some by Min Hameytzur and others are just loosening their belts then.<br /><br />To me, it looks like a fallacy with Hasidism that the whole group should feel the same emotions at the same time. It is reminiscent of forced and illusion (dimyon) or 'eyen gereht zich' ness. <br /><br />BikavodNer Yisroelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-25743031967963466502009-06-07T00:29:29.707-04:002009-06-07T00:29:29.707-04:00So we heard by shala sheedos the authoritative ohp...So we heard by shala sheedos the authoritative ohpinion of the true convert to Chabad da Tzig's supervisor that the moment was indeed during Matan Torah da aliyah of aseres hadribos and durch birkas Kohanim mit the weining KInderlachAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-11346064117743801212009-06-05T14:05:27.671-04:002009-06-05T14:05:27.671-04:00jewnonymous
וואס זאל איך דיר זאגן, ווייזט אויס אז ...jewnonymous<br />וואס זאל איך דיר זאגן, ווייזט אויס אז אין די פערציקער איז מען נאך אלץ א בחור. זעסט וואס אהלי תורה קען אויפטאן?<br />דער ריינער אמת איז אז צום בר מצווה האב איך שוין געהאט דורך געליינט די זכרונות און א גרויסער טייל פון דעם פריערדיקער רבי'נס שיחות, אפשר איז דאס א רשימו דערפון.<br />מענדל<br />נ.ב.<br />דעם שבת איז ר' גבריאל נח האלצבערג הי"ד דרייסיג'סטן יום הולדת, אפשר כדאי דערמאנען ביים קידוש און והחי יתן את לבו.מענדלnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-18271972674989108212009-06-05T13:45:52.576-04:002009-06-05T13:45:52.576-04:00הירשל איז גערעכט!
לערנען חסידות ביז עס חאפט דיר אן...הירשל איז גערעכט!<br />לערנען חסידות ביז עס חאפט דיר אן א ציטער איז אדער פון אן אלטן דור אדער די יונגע בחורים<br />פארוואס איז דאס אזוי ווייס איך ניט אבער אזוי האב איך באמערוקטjewnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-8409969699909544602009-06-04T21:13:49.425-04:002009-06-04T21:13:49.425-04:00No, I don't think he would like it. In any eve...No, I don't think he would like it. In any event, he's really my father's rav.Der Moderne Shaygetznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-52400949066342031292009-06-03T22:32:06.692-04:002009-06-03T22:32:06.692-04:00der moderne Shaygetz
Are you gonna drop a hint wh...der moderne Shaygetz<br /><br />Are you gonna drop a hint who your Rav is?Chaim Berlin Success Storynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-43854049773667939722009-06-03T21:42:03.720-04:002009-06-03T21:42:03.720-04:00I don't know what your learning is like but my...I don't know what your learning is like but my moment was shvuos night at about a quarter after 12 learning Hilchos Kiddush Hachodesh. During Akdamus I was falling asleep because I missed several coffee breaks during the night. THough you are right. Usually, even in my litvish shul, the moment for me is "tzvi uyikar...umsar lan oraisa." You can tell it's the Rav's moment to, and he's an alte Mirrer.<br /><br />--Der Moderne ShaygetzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-71939069927589473042009-06-03T19:51:15.880-04:002009-06-03T19:51:15.880-04:00הירשעלע
זיי מחליט אדער כ'בין א בחור אדער פון א...הירשעלע<br />זיי מחליט אדער כ'בין א בחור אדער פון א פריערדיקער דור! <br />איך האב ניט געמיינט זאלסט פארן ערגעץ וואו, מאך א מסיבה לעבן דיר! איך שטעל זיך פאר אז אין מאנסי איז דאס שווערער ווי אין אנדערע פלעצער און לפום צערא אגרא. בנוגע לערנען מאמרים איז אין הכי נמי, ס'קומט ניט פון לערנען איין מאמר. לערן כסדר און טראכט אביסל חסידות פארן דאוונען און מיט דער צייט וועט עס האבן א פעולה.<br />לחיים, לחיים ולברכה!<br /><br />מענדלמענדלnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-37191808516097371272009-06-03T12:17:44.449-04:002009-06-03T12:17:44.449-04:00Hirshel
To learn even a Shevous sicha of the Reb...Hirshel<br /> To learn even a Shevous sicha of the Rebbe in Toras Menachem on a Toras Habesht that you see in every Poilishe sefer repeated with no Farshtand, stimulates your Brains Guf and Neshoma. You don't have to be a oved for thatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-86709224951000709692009-06-03T09:18:13.248-04:002009-06-03T09:18:13.248-04:00ר' מענדל
כ'בין נישט קיין בחור אז איך קען ...ר' מענדל<br /><br />כ'בין נישט קיין בחור אז איך קען ערגעץ פאהרען "אררויסהעלפן א שליח," און מאמרי חסידות איז גרינג צו לערנען אבער שווער ארייננעמען אין א פנימיות<br /><br />און דאס וואס איר זאגט אז פון דעם וועט מיר "אנכאפען א ציטער" וועל איך אייך זאגען אז איר מוזט זיין פון א פרעהערדיגן דור אז איר רעדט נאך אפילו אזוי<br />די ווערטער געפינען זיך נישט מער אין די חב"ד לעקסיקאן כלל וכללHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-8533655418717223742009-06-03T09:14:39.380-04:002009-06-03T09:14:39.380-04:00The moment is just like the moment on Yom Kippur.....The moment is just like the moment on Yom Kippur...its the day after..<br />If you did not get up early the next day to learn a mamar, your masechta, your Torah with greater<br />zerizus...you did not get it the day before.<br /><br />"the whole crowd doing quasi-Chazzonus, if you know what I mean"<br /><br />You have that in your shul?<br />In my shul, they talk the whole time no matter who is the chazzan and sing-alongs never occur except Haderes VHameuniEmesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-6790770856868983122009-06-03T08:40:58.581-04:002009-06-03T08:40:58.581-04:00Isaac
thanks for your wonderful thoughts.
I beli...Isaac<br /><br />thanks for your wonderful thoughts.<br /><br />I believe one day soon there will be <em>Chabad minyonim</em> where <em>Akdomus</em> will be said.<br /><br />As far as <em>VeShomru</em> goes; mumbling a quick <em>VeShomru</em> is no better than not saying it at all, IMHO. It has to be said out loud, in unison, with the whole crowd doing quasi-<em>Chazzonus,</em> if you know what I mean.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-91122550922337088482009-06-03T01:59:08.843-04:002009-06-03T01:59:08.843-04:00The Rebbe wrote (I don't recall where but I sa...The Rebbe wrote (I don't recall where but I saw it many moons ago) that he doesn't know the reason we don't say akdomus but azoi iz gebliben the minhag. Many people have tried to give reasons for it, no time due to long maamor (Rebbe Rashab era), we don't say anything extra, wasn't printed in old siddurim, but the Rebbe was doicheh all these and said he doesn't know the reason. I saw the Rebbe saying it during kriah (flipping the pages back and forth bain gavrah l'gavrah).<br /><br />Ma-inyan l'inyan:<br />The yehi rotzon before kiddush hachodesh is not printed in the Chabad siddur. The reason is bakoshas tzerochov b'Shabbos. The Rebbe's mother had it taped into her siddur. His father was the rov of the kehilla and they said it in his shul. Yesh Omrim (unconfirmed) that the Rebbe said it while walked back to his place after haftorah on Shabbos mevorchim.seen it allnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-71680647034300823702009-06-02T20:57:08.135-04:002009-06-02T20:57:08.135-04:00הירשעלע
טאמער ס'פעלט דיר א דערהער אין שבועות דארפס...הירשעלע<br />טאמער ס'פעלט דיר א דערהער אין שבועות דארפסטו לערנען א מאמר אדעתא דנפשי' און דערנאך דאווענען באריכות. אדער העלף אויס א שליח צו מאכן א מסיבה וכדו' וואו מען ליינט עשרת הדברות און צום אנכי וועט דיר אנכאפן א ציטער. <br />בכ"ר <br />מענדלמענדלnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-83450194854810634652009-06-02T19:32:09.265-04:002009-06-02T19:32:09.265-04:00It's not that clear cut to say "Chabad" doesn't sa...It's not that clear cut to say "Chabad" doesn't say Akdamus. Is it Chabad? Lubavitch? Kapust?<br /><br />Apparently the last Rebbe's father said it, and so the Rebbe said it quietly bein gavro le gavro. Someone showed me this in the footnote of a Sicha.<br /><br />Why hasn't it been excised from the siddur?<br /><br />Clearly, Geza used to say it. When did the hanhogo split and why? Did Reb Shmaryahu Noach say it?<br /><br />What did the Baal HaTanya do? One presumes he didn't say it, but left it in the Siddur.<br /><br />What about Reb Menachem Mendel Horadoker or the Magid himself?<br /><br />Over the last few years, I (as a plain Nusach Sfard Cohen with a reasonable voice and my own teeth) have said it in Rabbi Groner's Shule in Chabad in Melbourne. It was always said there in deference to many baalei batim who said it. It would seem that some of the elterer chassidim even said it in Russia.<br /><br />Ah, the good old days, when there used to be a respectful pregnant pause to allow some to say Veshomru, although the holier than thou or ignorant types have seemingly abandoned this (rather nice in my view) hanhogo.Isaac Balbinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-10377527171322301362009-06-02T18:47:57.035-04:002009-06-02T18:47:57.035-04:00"I'm sorry to hear that in Chabad "the moment" is ..."I'm sorry to hear that in Chabad "the moment" is missing."<br /><br />tis the gavra not the chetzva...<br /><br />I saws Moshe going up ..whole 9 yds. ;)Leroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-63564011747124730972009-06-02T17:44:53.872-04:002009-06-02T17:44:53.872-04:00The Aruch HaShulchan also makes no mention of the ...The Aruch HaShulchan also makes no mention of the custom to read Megillas Rus on Shavuous.Skepticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-60365071787777366772009-06-02T16:43:06.261-04:002009-06-02T16:43:06.261-04:00"take a Machzor HaMeforash, like I did, and learn ..."take a Machzor HaMeforash, like I did, and learn the teitch"<br /><br />I didn't ask how...tell us how your appreciation was enhanced. What facet of the Akdamus has penetrated your inner being that has changed the way you perceive SHavuos?45thnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-55840285226202454642009-06-02T15:03:35.038-04:002009-06-02T15:03:35.038-04:00The Rebbe Shlita makes clear that the moment is re...The Rebbe Shlita makes clear that the moment is reading the tikkun and at the Haftorah first day.<br />If its shvach then by u, what can I say if people are talking then....Leroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-18557004308988954562009-06-02T14:34:32.976-04:002009-06-02T14:34:32.976-04:00Dear Mr. 45th,
"And tell us, Mister Chuchem AK, D...Dear Mr. 45th,<br /><br />"And tell us, Mister Chuchem AK, Dan Vaab was at home preparing di Blintshes so you could experience YOUR ultimate moment??" <br />- As a matter of fact she was. And they were delicious.<br /><br />And I gladly shared by Kabolas HaTorah with her 50/50 like is says in Chazal.<br /><br />"And perhaps share with us your 'appreciation' for Akdamus that you've discovered."<br />-very simple, take a Machzor HaMeforash, like I did, and learn the teitch.AKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-47652641586198810432009-06-02T13:08:47.285-04:002009-06-02T13:08:47.285-04:00And tell us, Mister Chuchem AK, Dan Vaab was at ho...And tell us, Mister Chuchem AK, Dan Vaab was at home preparing di Blintshes so you could experience YOUR ultimate moment??<br /><br />And perhaps share with us your 'appreciation' for Akdamus that you've discovered.<br /><br />Ya', Takeh A Derhoiberner Kabulos Hatoirah!45th, corner 15thnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-61479097700634915852009-06-02T12:19:52.048-04:002009-06-02T12:19:52.048-04:00Hirschel - Another great post, as usual.
As some...Hirschel - Another great post, as usual. <br /><br />As someone who learnt in Litveshe Yeshivos, but comes from a Hungarian background, I definitely agree that Akdamus is not "the moment" in the Litvishe velt. Now that I send my kids to Hungarian type yeshivas, and seeing them spend weeks learning Akdamus, I have a new appreciation. It has become "the moment" for me.<br /><br />I'm sorry to hear that in Chabad "the moment" is missing. Given all the posters I saw all over BP about the (newly invented) "Chiyuv" to bring Nashim V'Taf to the Aseres HaDibros, I thought that "the moment" would exist then. Maybe all the crying babies ruin the atmosphere.AKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-46771374294042905392009-06-02T11:06:35.441-04:002009-06-02T11:06:35.441-04:00Take a look at eh new issue of JQR for a very inte...Take a look at eh new issue of JQR for a very intersting academic article as to why Akdomus survived in Ashkenaz.schneurnoreply@blogger.com