tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post6798587546205231753..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Breslov, Lubavitch and the Politics of OwnershipHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-41804321216447075092008-11-25T20:53:00.000-05:002008-11-25T20:53:00.000-05:00"Breslov has no group that has problematic hashkaf...<I>"Breslov has no group that has problematic hashkafa ideas like they do in Lubavitch"</I><BR/><BR/>Shuvu Bonim (R' Berland) has problems that are akin to extremal meshichistn to some degree. I.e. problems with relation to the tzaddik. There are other problematic groups like Nanachs and R' Shick (though they are on different poles of problems i.e. anarchy v.s. totalitarizm).<BR/><BR/>Those who follow the mesoyro of Reb Avrohom Shternhartz (Reb Luzer Kenig and his chevraya) are not kanoim (and aren't boycotting elections).<BR/><BR/>The base for boycotting elections IMHO was borrowed from anarchists by kanoim. It is spelled out explicitly in Vayoel Moyshe, that voting will not affect anything (since frumers are a small minority), and therefore is senseless altogether. This idea is purely anarchistic (obviously Satmar Rebbe ztz"l was familiar enough with anarchistic approach). Some Breslovers are gravitated to anarchy and this might make them closer to kanoim in this aspect. While other Breslovers don't like it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-75162258424513114702008-11-17T12:40:00.000-05:002008-11-17T12:40:00.000-05:00http://berlyomi.blogspot.com/2006/06/3-tammuz-can-...http://berlyomi.blogspot.com/2006/06/3-tammuz-can-there-be-another.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-40337705443705615832008-11-16T23:01:00.000-05:002008-11-16T23:01:00.000-05:00schneur,forget that, although you may answer if yo...schneur,<BR/>forget that, although you may answer if you wish... but i got the infoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-66543076687786040582008-11-16T22:56:00.000-05:002008-11-16T22:56:00.000-05:00schneur,who was r arele roth?schneur,<BR/>who was r arele roth?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-89876855299194901142008-11-16T18:42:00.000-05:002008-11-16T18:42:00.000-05:00Lets face some reality , no human being is perfec...Lets face some reality , no human being is perfect, if you are looking for a perfect candidate that person does not exist. In fact with all honor to last rebbe as a candidate he too had some serious issues , but he showed that they were not important in the long run.<BR/>I will repeat what I once wrote -- something I saw in the Will of Reb Arele Roth in the name of the Noam Elemelech that where there is no leader , the Samach mem becomes the leader, layder how true !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-51253073964004432212008-11-15T23:27:00.000-05:002008-11-15T23:27:00.000-05:00who says so:r' michoel halperin fake and external?...who says so:<BR/>r' michoel halperin fake and external?! is that a joke?! you must be referring to somebdy else...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-4396545335612338522008-11-14T14:09:00.000-05:002008-11-14T14:09:00.000-05:00who says:are we talking computers or law?who says:<BR/><BR/>are we talking computers or law?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-67461914673590686352008-11-14T13:58:00.000-05:002008-11-14T13:58:00.000-05:00Who says so?Who are you alluding to?Not, R'Zalman ...Who says so?<BR/>Who are you alluding to?<BR/>Not, R'Zalman Schachter I know.Though he would have been a great choice of Rebbe had he not left.<BR/>Looks like Lubab inc may be coming around to the idea of a live rebbe.<BR/>Healing takes time.Lubab inc has to accept the Rebbes passing and heal the rift with the rest of the heimishe oilem.It's starting to happen.S-L-O-W-L-Y...<BR/>Look, if a partisan hack like Goat, the Lubob version of partisan-attack dog Rahm Emmanuel has allowed the "thought" of new leader it means his handlers are getting the message.<BR/>Maybe even Lesches could be in the running?<BR/>(Darn!Now he has an excuse for not allowing the comment thru...I mentioned his ruv..)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-72660617864519180332008-11-14T12:17:00.000-05:002008-11-14T12:17:00.000-05:00tzig,no names, but do ask Yoiel Kahn next time you...tzig,<BR/>no names, but do ask Yoiel Kahn next time you see him who has the best mind in Chabad, and who was the top choizer in the mid-late 80's early 90's, and who has imbibed the Rebbe's torah in Chabad better than anybody excluding himself. Ask him. Then get back to meAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-79985783309390108032008-11-14T12:15:00.000-05:002008-11-14T12:15:00.000-05:00Halperin is the most laughable choice and I am sur...Halperin is the most laughable choice and I am surprised you got away with it. How about another fake yerushalaimer chabdsker, the so called "Rav Hakotel", Rabinovitz, son of the Peres endorsing Rav Rabinovitz, his having gone against the Rebbe's explicit directives in the parsha of Shamir/peres in the early 90's.<BR/><BR/>They both have everything fake and external needed to succeed and lead in today's Chabad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-63492202709377639702008-11-14T12:10:00.000-05:002008-11-14T12:10:00.000-05:00oh? like whom?don't tell me a "chulent" guyoh? like whom?<BR/><BR/>don't tell me a "chulent" guyHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-987665713980117352008-11-14T12:07:00.000-05:002008-11-14T12:07:00.000-05:00the only qualified candidates for the next Rebbe h...the only qualified candidates for the next Rebbe have unfortunately left organized religion, though not Chabad thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-33551656930556327612008-11-14T12:04:00.000-05:002008-11-14T12:04:00.000-05:00"R' Michoel Halperin.Rav of Givat Hatzorfati in Je..."R' Michoel Halperin.<BR/><BR/>Rav of Givat Hatzorfati in Jerusalem.<BR/><BR/>The mere fact that an entire shchunah comprised of all walks of yiddishkeit took him as Rav despite his strong ties to Chabad speaks worlds about the man.<BR/><BR/>Big Lubavitcher Chossid.<BR/><BR/>From a long lineage of Lubavitcher chassidim.<BR/><BR/>Einikel of the Ba'al hatanya.<BR/><BR/>Massive Talmid Chacham, ba'al middos, ba'al eitzah, etc...<BR/><BR/>Was in the running to be Chief Rabbi of Israel after being pushed by many people.<BR/><BR/>Is held in high esteem and has credibility by both Litvishe Roshei Yeshiva and Chasidishe Rebbes<BR/><BR/>What more can Chabad, or any other kehilah for that matter, want in a manhig?"<BR/><BR/>Another way to describe him is as being an example of everything wrong with Chabad. He is pretentious, false, with exaggerated yerushalaimer duplicity. He is not the great scholar you make him out to be. His entire life is revolved around PR and advancing himself through people skills of a run of the mill, b aksheesh taking, poltitician.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-38238789358947752402008-11-14T02:52:00.000-05:002008-11-14T02:52:00.000-05:00Shmendrik, quoting you."R' Michoel Halperin.Rav of...Shmendrik, quoting you.<BR/>"R' Michoel Halperin.<BR/><BR/>Rav of Givat Hatzorfati in Jerusalem.<BR/><BR/>The mere fact that an entire shchunah comprised of all walks of yiddishkeit took him as Rav despite his strong ties to Chabad speaks worlds about the man.<BR/><BR/>Big Lubavitcher Chossid.<BR/><BR/>From a long lineage of Lubavitcher chassidim."<BR/><BR/>Ok, just fyi. Rabbi Halperin is from his grandmother side a Chbdsker, his father Halperin was Ruzhin/Bian and if I'm not mistaken Rabbi Halperin learned in the Chevroner Yeshiva a shpitz Lutvishe place.I think he is related to Refoel Halperin, the "strongman" who's father was a Vienesse Jew aLSO a follower of "beis Ruzhin"<BR/>I'm happy I came to this discussion late, cuz I know the Goat would never have posted any of my posts.<BR/>I honestly cannot believe the Goats comments actually addressing the the fact that Lubob inc is rudderless and maybe the time has come to a)Accept the Rebbes passing and b)appoint a new leader.<BR/>Someone actually voiced (amazing that Goat actually allowed the comment thru!)the problem with the Rebbe after so many years of leadership not leaving anybody capable of taking on the rebbisteveh.What does that say???<BR/>I can't add anything cuz I know Goat won't post.<BR/>Gut shabbess all, Goat included.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-62940694759066118862008-11-14T00:08:00.000-05:002008-11-14T00:08:00.000-05:00I don't think there could be an eighth Lubavitcher...I don't think there could be an eighth Lubavitcher Rebbe, for the reasons others discuss above. I don't think this is a bad thing: the idea that there is a single Chabad rebbe is an artificial thing caused by the tragic circumstances of early 1900s. Let anyone qualified to be a rebbe (and there obviously are such people) be one openly, and rejoice that we are following the Rebbe ZTz"L's direction to "aseh lecha rav". If there can be, or needs to be, or actually is a neshama klolis for our generation is something that can be left to the philosophers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-77563682432558151652008-11-13T19:25:00.001-05:002008-11-13T19:25:00.001-05:00Rabbi Moshe Kotlarsky seems to be the real candida...Rabbi Moshe Kotlarsky seems to be the real candidateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-47992004893269619662008-11-13T15:46:00.000-05:002008-11-13T15:46:00.000-05:00Schneurke, keep on dreaming. I agree a 100% with M...Schneurke, keep on dreaming. I agree a 100% with Mosheleh's prognosis of what would happen to any serious candidate for the Rebbistve.Besides having to fight the Meshichists and being suicidal,he'd have to deal with the shluchim, AGUCH, Zeire Chabad, the principals of most moisdos etc, all of whom don't have ANY interest in a new Rebbe.Since 3 Tammuz they just can do whatever they want, without being accountable to anyone ( at least that's what many of them think ).If anyone has a chance then it has to be someone that is not afraid to build a new Chabad from scratch and leave Lubavitch Inc on the side.<BR/>Back to the original post:<BR/>There are some fundamental differences between Lubavitch and Breslov<BR/>a) Breslov was never a dynasty<BR/>b) Breslov has virtually - to the best of my knowledge - no minhogim of its own<BR/>c) Breslov doesn't follow a specific nussach - although most of the Ashkenasi Breslovers daven Nussach S'fard<BR/>Anyone studying Rebbe Nachmans works, practicing Hisbodedus, saying Tikkun HaKloli ( and maybe travelling to Uman ) can call himself a Breslover. I have noticed on the other hand - especially in recent years - that there are a lot of people from the whole spectre of Orthodox Judaism from Satmar to serious Hesder students that are really "kochen sich in Chassidus Chabad" without adopting the outer trappings of Lubavitch and without identifying themselves as Lubavitchers. I think in the long run there will be Chabad Chassidim and Lubavitcher Chassidim as two distinct groups.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64303085480216863582008-11-13T15:10:00.000-05:002008-11-13T15:10:00.000-05:00lubavitch is nothing like beslov because the rebbe...lubavitch is nothing like beslov because the rebbe left us clear instructions. in his hundreds of letters as i said earlier.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-25652231352062198782008-11-13T15:00:00.000-05:002008-11-13T15:00:00.000-05:00I think that LUb stays like Breslov, until Moshia...I think that LUb stays like Breslov, until Moshiach timesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-12215009755465273952008-11-13T14:32:00.000-05:002008-11-13T14:32:00.000-05:00i think we should make charlie for rebbe.i think we should make charlie for rebbe.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-50094028805597864192008-11-13T14:05:00.000-05:002008-11-13T14:05:00.000-05:00Halperin is a good candidate . I read about him ov...Halperin is a good candidate . I read about him over 30 years ago in Panim el panim when he was a young rav near Tel Aviv.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-69716425075658536842008-11-13T12:38:00.000-05:002008-11-13T12:38:00.000-05:00no i meant when asked about the ohel i hadnt paid ...no i meant when asked about the ohel i hadnt paid attention to the link when i saw the photo i realized who he is.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-61700164057851255462008-11-13T12:29:00.000-05:002008-11-13T12:29:00.000-05:00click on the words "here's his picture" above...click on the words "here's his picture" above...Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-23203171806531166642008-11-13T12:23:00.000-05:002008-11-13T12:23:00.000-05:00didnt see the link to the pic in the first post an...didnt see the link to the pic in the first post and i only saw the rebbe as a baby because we lived in south america.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-22244085403881440922008-11-13T12:21:00.000-05:002008-11-13T12:21:00.000-05:00he is really under 60 and yes he is a great speake...he is really under 60 and yes he is a great speaker i know who he is i just thougth he is much older.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.com