tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post7284739490725486438..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: two VERY short anecdotes about Rav Moshe ben RYG Soloveitchik and the Lubavitcher Rebbe, זצוקללה"ה - take them or leave themHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-32117426160143959652013-02-13T17:57:00.995-05:002013-02-13T17:57:00.995-05:00Anon
"how they were more involved with making...Anon<br />"how they were more involved with making the russians lubabitchers that true shomrei torah vmitzvothe"<br />what does that mean?<br />No tefilin?<br />No Kashrus?<br />No shabos?<br />No Tefila?<br />No Tahras Mishpocha?<br />No Emuna?<br />Just kissing the Rebbes photo..... for whom does rabbi Lazar provide kashrus and mikvoath in russia, is it just a mikveh for a day for the photo-op then he moves on to the next citySwiss cownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-81817045824519988732013-02-13T02:28:16.293-05:002013-02-13T02:28:16.293-05:00after a little reaserch through the sarno|solovei...after a little reaserch through the sarno|soloveichich connection i came out as follows rms was osek alot in kiruv of russian jews. At the same time the only one else invollved was chabad (vhny came later) for a few years rms was impressed by the work chabad was doing and being a mild mannered jew in the like of r als shelitah. Rms did not go for all the hock about chabad. [ in a similar way was rav avigdor miller who refused to knock chabad even when it was popular in the litvish world [ a grandson once told me godolim are not infalible my grand father made a mistake] anyways getting back to rms as time whent on rms had seen the work of chabad and how they were more involved with making the russians lubabitchers that true shomrei torah vmitzvothe he got very very turned off and told someone once its better if they stay frie like that some one else will make the fully frum than to let chabad touch them as " chabad whatever they tuch they spoil endquoteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-83543983597333677452013-02-12T17:23:16.158-05:002013-02-12T17:23:16.158-05:00What mixing are you talking about? In what way was...What mixing are you talking about? In what way was this event different from Pegisha, which ran for many years during the Rebbe's life, and had his approval?Milhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14350874508580081286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-45838979019615232762013-02-12T09:46:55.914-05:002013-02-12T09:46:55.914-05:00Rav Heller of CH is a gevorener, and his father li...Rav Heller of CH is a gevorener, and his father lived in Lugano for most of his life, and was close with RMS.Kovnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-8429014304647105732013-02-12T01:11:16.363-05:002013-02-12T01:11:16.363-05:00"please don't publicize your intellectual..."please don't publicize your intellectual midgetry to the blogosphere. you're a busha to the litvishe velt. "<br /><br />Who said I"m "litvish"?<br /><br />The rest of your your "response" is just malodorous hot air .GERSHYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-76193706356168994302013-02-11T22:30:28.851-05:002013-02-11T22:30:28.851-05:00Do you even know how the program is run or you sit...Do you even know how the program is run or you sit on your iPad and shees judgement like an ignoramus achh I feel like I wasted precious moments of my time... You'll never understand, you just won't. Now ask yourself how can I accomplish something to bring a yid (or maybe in your case a goy thru the seven) closer to the aibeshterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-41865303985829203382013-02-11T21:30:46.977-05:002013-02-11T21:30:46.977-05:00Anonymous said...
Ncsy does it you don't say b...Anonymous said...<br />Ncsy does it you don't say boo.. Chabad does it in a tznius way and is kolos, besides better they see Jews then end up married to a goy chas vshalom"<br /><br />oh, so now we are on the NCSY level?<br />this is the Besht, the AR... the Rebbe's desire for his chassidim? to say we are better than NCSY?<br />Tznius? hormone-raging teens together for a weekend?<br /><br />"besides better they see Jews then end up married to a goy chas vshalom"<br /><br />the same line used by reform, conservative, shlomo carlebach a"h and many others to be mattir kol dovor ossur. and the Rebbe rejected it totally. R"L this is where we sunk to.vifel der shiurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-24074389706979934552013-02-11T21:13:20.929-05:002013-02-11T21:13:20.929-05:00this is a response to gershy, but it's not add...this is a response to gershy, but it's not addressed to him, as no doubt this is going to go right over his head (which is located about 2 feet below his shoulders). <br /><br />please don't publicize your intellectual midgetry to the blogosphere. you're a busha to the litvishe velt. <br /><br />1. you obviously have no idea what circular logic is if that is what you are accusing me of. <br /><br />2. show me where i said that i believe the stories in the post. u can't, because i didn't. but nice try. next time, READ what i wrote before you get all emotional and start broadcasting your imbecilities.<br /><br />3. and most importantly: anon built a theory out of thin air. a binyan with no yesod. that's not logic. i made a logical deduction? of course not. but as you've shown so eloquently, you're not beyond fabricating stuff out of thin air.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />maledictoriannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-42311509918141498272013-02-11T20:11:08.504-05:002013-02-11T20:11:08.504-05:00Ncsy does it you don't say boo.. Chabad does i...Ncsy does it you don't say boo.. Chabad does it in a tznius way and is kolos, besides better they see Jews then end up married to a goy chas vshalom Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-79003474340669037892013-02-11T19:53:07.958-05:002013-02-11T19:53:07.958-05:00that's exactly my question. i doubt any rov wa...that's exactly my question. i doubt any rov was mattir it. it's do whatever u want, as long as it brings in money and publicity. B"H many shluchim are revolted by this attitude, but the guys that do this get all the attention.<br />L'fi ha'emes, friendship circle is one big b---- made to bring in money and attention. it has nothing to do with hafortas hayahadus or maayonos.vifel der shiurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-58036893778270724932013-02-11T18:39:30.975-05:002013-02-11T18:39:30.975-05:00which Rov was asked? do shluchim that run such pro...which Rov was asked? do shluchim that run such programs ask rabbonim?Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-55999132662276889342013-02-11T18:35:33.320-05:002013-02-11T18:35:33.320-05:00HT, this sickens me so i have to vent
http://coll...HT, this sickens me so i have to vent<br /><br />http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=23995&alias=teens-brave-ny-blizzard<br /><br />which lubavitcher rov was mattir a mixed teenager weekend?<br />is this the lubavitch u signed up for, or the one i grew up in?<br />are there any rules, or the end justifies any means?<br />what next, let's have a LGBT shabbaton in 770, and we'll honor barnie frank for his contributions to society. vifel der shiurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-70417487872356770492013-02-11T18:22:50.470-05:002013-02-11T18:22:50.470-05:00Gershy
"Interesting that you don't like t...Gershy<br />"Interesting that you don't like that fellows krummeh logic (and i don't know the relationship with the uncle to even claim an opinion)yet, you choose to believe A)an anonymous story b)from a lubavitcher C)from a fellow who has clearly sendthat his agenda is to defend Chabad?"<br />Your talent in research is Gevaldig.Mevakeshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-20763203263780793972013-02-11T18:16:00.069-05:002013-02-11T18:16:00.069-05:00Rozen
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Mevakesh, you and your intellectually...Rozen<br />"<br />Mevakesh, you and your intellectually challenged fellow members criticize the "idolization" of Gedolim, yet when it comes to the Rebbe you do much more.<br />Don't be a crock"<br />I did not criticize anything, I just stated a fact that I saw in Shimi Muelers Bio.....<br />I am very glad that I have the zechus to talk to a high caliber intellectual, I am thinking what mitzva did I do to get that zechusMevakeshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-50382192115719169752013-02-11T18:12:21.561-05:002013-02-11T18:12:21.561-05:00Gershy
"told over by the son of a gevorener a...Gershy<br />"told over by the son of a gevorener are not exactly tora misinai"<br />Does Reb Moshe have a son a gevorener?? or 1 of his talmidim have a son a gevorener?<br />Do you read only biographies of gedolim that were written by enemies? and the enemies are not biased?Mevakeshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64432431251361311212013-02-11T16:48:43.272-05:002013-02-11T16:48:43.272-05:00"no matter how many (very questionable) assum..."no matter how many (very questionable) assumptions are in you "proof", that shouldn't detract from your agenda of discrediting anything that might show the gadlus of the LR'. "<br /><br />Interesting that you don't like that fellows krummeh logic (and i don't know the relationship with the uncle to even claim an opinion)yet, you choose to believe A)an anonymous story b)from a lubavitcher C)from a fellow who has clearly sendthat his agenda is to defend Chabad?<br /><br />Tell me, maledictorian, you just drank the fier koises? or you love circular logic?<br />Lovin' it!<br />GERSHYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-17121198934630879502013-02-11T16:43:46.267-05:002013-02-11T16:43:46.267-05:00The two maysehs, seem to contradict each other.
On...The two maysehs, seem to contradict each other.<br />On the one hand R'Moshe homself, does not get to see the Rebbe because it needs to be booked 3 months in advance, and on the other side R'Moshe is surprised that someone who was in New York did not get to see the Rebbe??<br />Efsher, leyashev bedoichak, that the 2'ndmayseh took place before the second,but than Hirshel needs to told how to write maysehs with historical sequence.<br />On the other hand these two anonymous stories, told over by the son of a gevorener are not exactly tora misinai.I know Hirshel never believes the stories told by Snags, because he thinks they are biased.Now he wants to be believed about an unsourced story.GERSHYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-45859986117647481142013-02-11T16:35:55.808-05:002013-02-11T16:35:55.808-05:00"i doubt rms would argue with his holy uncle ..."i doubt rms would argue with his holy uncle of blessed memory"<br /><br />what a shtarke, incontrovertible (pseudo) ra'ya that the story isn't true. <br /><br />Lovin it. <br /><br />no matter how many (very questionable) assumptions are in you "proof", that shouldn't detract from your agenda of discrediting anything that might show the gadlus of the LR. <br /><br />continue hiding your head in the sand ignoring all the true gedolim who came and wrote to the Rebbe. <br /><br />maledictoriannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-77226050366515516952013-02-11T16:35:39.959-05:002013-02-11T16:35:39.959-05:00based on his age, when he was born, and the fact t...based on his age, when he was born, and the fact that he already got smicha in 1953 from the Rav I would say that he was in Lubavitch for elementary, CB for HS and then YU.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-67876604154514722402013-02-11T16:34:06.140-05:002013-02-11T16:34:06.140-05:00"All the bios say he learned in 770"
The... "All the bios say he learned in 770"<br />The obits I saw say he learned in Lubavitch. that would MAYBE be the yeshiva on Dean St, which was when prior to only strict Lubavitchers learning there.<br />I was also curious if he learned in Lubavitch and my guess was that he went to the elementary or high school, which at the time was only partially made up of lubavitch boysdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-66787569162271662032013-02-11T16:30:28.659-05:002013-02-11T16:30:28.659-05:00"I think the Brisker Ruv was against this ido..."I think the Brisker Ruv was against this idolization of Gedolim that started then in benai berak."<br /><br />Mevakesh, you and your intellectually challenged fellow members criticize the "idolization" of Gedolim, yet when it comes to the Rebbe you do much more.<br />Don't be a crockrosennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-23432861858704711662013-02-11T16:16:03.770-05:002013-02-11T16:16:03.770-05:00Anon
" As a talmid of brisk in yerusholayim I...Anon<br />" As a talmid of brisk in yerusholayim I must repeat what was commonly said over the brisker rav said after seeing rmms first seichah " der meshuganeh meint ehr is moshiach" i doubt rms would argue with his holy uncle of blessed memory"<br />What year did you hear it in Brisk?<br />Did you hear it from AJ himself? Or from Reb Duvid?<br />Was Reb Moshe of Switzerland Butel Umevutol to his uncle? did he ask him permission for every move in life?<br />I think the Brisker Ruv was against this idolization of Gedolim that started then in benai berak...Mevakeshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-87297854836339376502013-02-11T16:00:33.760-05:002013-02-11T16:00:33.760-05:00Reb Charles
"Very far from the original style...Reb Charles<br />"Very far from the original style and intent of the Bal Shem."<br />what was the style? did the Besht have a style?<br />Did the Besht have a Gabai?<br />Did he have a Meshamesh?<br />Did he do audience when he was doing daily alias neshoma?<br />What do you know about the Besht?<br />Was the Besht against Yeshivahs? was the Besht against a Cheder?<br />Mevakeshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-55612719628574047242013-02-11T15:01:57.896-05:002013-02-11T15:01:57.896-05:00A little more research is in order, Kovner. But th...A little more research is in order, Kovner. But thanks for bringing it up!Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-87008790065419946602013-02-11T14:51:16.869-05:002013-02-11T14:51:16.869-05:00Tzig,
Can you inform us how much of a connection d...Tzig,<br />Can you inform us how much of a connection did David Hartman have with Lubavitch? All the bios say he learned in 770.Kovnernoreply@blogger.com