tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post735006022625449396..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Freifeld is no moreHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-42451627179873231722008-06-25T12:08:00.000-04:002008-06-25T12:08:00.000-04:00here is a quote from reb aron rubashkin:lubavitch...here is a quote from reb aron rubashkin:<BR/><BR/>lubavitch toot heint vas novaradok hut geton in der heim.<BR/><BR/>loosely transalated: the original model is novardok under reb avrahom yafen z"l.nAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-82101025256810392312008-06-23T19:54:00.000-04:002008-06-23T19:54:00.000-04:00"RAMF is tall and handosme." -- Noch besser, the w..."RAMF is tall and handosme." -- Noch besser, the way bray of fundie described him he was a case, but still RSF was literally a phyiscal giant of a man, probably almost six and a half feet with immense broad shoulders, flailing arms and strong hands, and an awesome and wide body, with a booming voice that came forth with joy and mirth. I saw and heard him a few times and he was a true physical presence.<BR/><BR/>Rav Hutner was once asked why so many of his talmidim were so huge and he supposedly replied "groise neshomas bedarfen groise gufen" -- at least that is how he amusedly put it to one perplexed personAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-26530512072582515032008-06-23T14:26:00.000-04:002008-06-23T14:26:00.000-04:00tragdedy; RAMF is tall and handosme. He is also a ...tragdedy; RAMF is tall and handosme. He is also a fired up Amshinover chossid and that is why he lives in Bayit VeganAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-10287027243617443002008-06-22T18:24:00.000-04:002008-06-22T18:24:00.000-04:00To anonymous of Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:23:00 PM:"...To anonymous of Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:23:00 PM:<BR/><BR/>"Just to correct something. I have learned in the Mir and by R' Tzvi Kaplan."<BR/><BR/>Good, Mazel Tov. Did he also teach you how to surf the net leshem shomayim?<BR/><BR/>"When I visit my father in law, I learn/daven in Sho'r Yashuv. And I find the boys, at least in Rav Jaeger's shiur, to be as deep, committed and sold a ben torah as any of the other Yeshivos in which I have learned."<BR/><BR/>Ok, fine, so who said otherwise? They are a good lot of bochurim, but they are not Lakewood, or CB or Mirrer Yeshiva, or Torah Voda'as types in their backgrounds and personalities. Noone was questioning their status as Bnai Torah, amkus baTorah or their commitment to the highest ideals of Yiddishkeit. If that is what you thought than please accept my apologies.<BR/><BR/>"Its not about fitting into a mold--some kids stay in their communities."<BR/><BR/>Sorry, but you are wrong about this. I personally know a cross section of the talmidim and they do not fit the exact strict yeshivish mold, and guess what, they would be the first to admit it.<BR/><BR/>"And, in the case of Rav Jaeger's shiur, there really is no reason to go to Brooklyn to hear a solid shiur."<BR/><BR/>What Rav Yeager wants and who the bochurim in his yeshiva are, are two different parshiyos. No doubt Rav Yeager wants to create the next Sura and Pumbedisa of the Five Towns and conquer all of Long Island leshem Uletiferes for the olam hayeshivos and he may just pull it off given enough time and with the seemingly limitless financial backing he has received from many sources with the help of big guns like RAF and his octopus-like faundraising machine. BUT, and it's a big but, Rav Yeager's shver did not have his eye only on this type of thing because the life of RSF was first and foremost devoted to kiruv rechokim and Rav Yeager and Shor Yoshuv have long abandoned and gone off that derech. <BR/><BR/>And in all probability, the symnol of that parting of the ways in the history of RSF's legacy is that his own son who embodied his father's Torah and Avodah (but not his huge physical body that was so impressive) and who who would have made a great Rosh Yeshiva for Baalei Teshuva in AMERICA but not in Israel where he has no real financial backing and must wonder the streets like a "beggar in Jerusalem" while his rich relatives in the Goldinne Medina of Amayrika laugh at him and his plight after they TRAGICALLY sent him packing. Why isn't all this in an objective book about the life and times of RSF his family and his legacy, instead of bubba maysos meant to fartchakke the oilem goilem?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-19137040709238246502008-06-22T13:23:00.000-04:002008-06-22T13:23:00.000-04:00Just to correct something. I have learned in the ...Just to correct something. I have learned in the Mir and by R' Tzvi Kaplan. When I visit my father in law, I learn/daven in Sho'r Yashuv. And I find the boys, at least in Rav Jaeger's shiur, to be as deep, committed and sold a ben torah as any of the other Yeshivos in which I have learned. Its not about fitting into a mold--some kids stay in their communities. And, in the case of Rav Jaeger's shiur, there really is no reason to go to Brooklyn to hear a solid shiur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-69106019327823652722008-06-22T10:46:00.000-04:002008-06-22T10:46:00.000-04:00The book was not a SY project, as those in the kno...The book was not a SY project, as those in the know can attest, and it is about RSF, not the last eighteen years in SY. There are pictures of RAM, but then again, also of RNJ and RAH. <BR/><BR/>I dont know RAMF, but I heard him speak and he can open up a Sfas Emes like few others. Truly a koach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-56105855801749383692008-06-22T04:54:00.000-04:002008-06-22T04:54:00.000-04:00The last post by anonymous of Saturday, June 21, 2...The last post by anonymous of Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:59:00 PM sounds strange: "Rav A M is a 'tzadik nistar' who opted for a life of anonymity so he can grow and develop talmidim, one on one."<BR/><BR/>Hmm, maybe Rav A M opted for a lobotomy as well and moonlights as a milkman at night and on Purim dresses up a Darth Vader who is really his true self?<BR/><BR/>Well give us all a break because at least the two previous posters intimated that he was a real koach, in spite of outward apperances and bray of fundi's disparaging descriptions of him (standard CB attack dog ways of making ash as un blotte out of people who have been "de-selected" from the "top of the pops list of in people") so that when rmf talmid post says: "i know and learned by RMF he is not less than ihs father maybe even 'tifer' in learning. he is brilliant, captivating and certainly unconventional, but he builds real people, one at a time." A light goes on one says aha, here is someone significant who has kept a gentlemanly silence for many long years (well now in the age of the Internet it may be time for the silence to be shattered!) and who we don't hear from, but whose side of the RSF and Shor Yoshuv story yet remains to be heard in the open because as bray of fundie has already informed us, RAS *did* crown RMF as Rosh Yeshiva, so how come he (RMF) is valgering around Israel like an alleged "tzidik nistar" when there is so much else going on with the Freifeld story according to the latest round of PR books and articles to boost Shor Yoshuv's image -- but not RMF's? How strange indeed. Tzrich iyun gadol.<BR/><BR/>And then there was the post by wdk, who confirmed RMF capabilities as REbbe and mentsch: "I didn't know R. Shlomo, but R. Avraham Mordechai is a neighbor of mine in Bayit Vegan whom I consider both a friend and teacher... He enriches the life of his family and the community...." Now are all thse things elaborated in the book about who and what RSF's son really is, how he got enthroned and then dethroned and how he was packed off into exile, willingly or unwillingly or both, into EY and then what he has been doing with himself all these years as his family back in the good ol' USA paints him as sort of "black sheep" when he is his father's real son and true heir? Tzarich iyun gadol, and oh, the RMF story sounds like one huge CB TRAGEDY!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-18359890255568587342008-06-21T22:59:00.000-04:002008-06-21T22:59:00.000-04:00Rav A M is a 'tzadik nistar' who opted for a life ...Rav A M is a 'tzadik nistar' who opted for a life of anonymity so he can grow and develop talmidim, one on one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-36044593336813501232008-06-20T06:02:00.000-04:002008-06-20T06:02:00.000-04:00I didn't know R. Shlomo, but R. Avraham Mordechai ...I didn't know R. Shlomo, but R. Avraham Mordechai is a neighbor of mine in Bayit Vegan whom I consider both a friend and teacher... He enriches the life of his family and the community....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08814307794629407094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-8313908765453931912008-06-19T08:21:00.000-04:002008-06-19T08:21:00.000-04:00i know and learned by RMF he is not less than ihs ...i know and learned by RMF he is not less than ihs father maybe even 'tifer' in learning. he is brilliant, captivating and certainly unconventional, but he builds real people, one at a time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-76335774654666152072008-06-18T23:46:00.000-04:002008-06-18T23:46:00.000-04:00And so it should have stayed.And so it should have stayed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-20948228864648099662008-06-18T00:52:00.000-04:002008-06-18T00:52:00.000-04:00CBT,“RSF's son was sent into golus to Eretz Yisroe...CBT,<BR/><BR/><BR/>“RSF's son was sent into golus to Eretz Yisroel where he has a small Kollel in Yerushalayim.”<BR/><BR/>He was not sent into galus, he was goleh himself. <BR/><BR/>He was slated to be the next Rosh Yeshivah, and did not want the position. So he went off to E”Y. <BR/><BR/><BR/>“RSF was also a very close life-long friend from childhood of Rav Aron Shechter (RAS)… Etc…”<BR/><BR/>Another cheap shot. Did you really feel it was necessary to write an entire seemingly out of place paragraph simply to take another cheap shot at RAS? <BR/>Yes, the fact that RSF and RAS were close friends is true. The fact that RSF had the koach to sway the decisions of RAS might also be true. But RSF had many close friends who he was mashbia who were gedolim. So why write this about RAS? Are you that desperate to trash him? <BR/>When will you realize that the reason why your alma mater has not treated you the way you feel you deserved is because you are an oisvurf?<BR/><BR/><BR/>“RSF guided his closest talmididim to do like they do in Chabad of encouraging recent Baalei teshuva to take on changing their levush and put on long reklech on Shabbos and grow beards”<BR/><BR/>RSF got that minhag from RYH. RYH would often encourage his talmidim to change their levush at a time when langeh reklech were generally reserved for Rabbis of stature.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-34418521096833858422008-06-17T20:51:00.000-04:002008-06-17T20:51:00.000-04:00My family, on shlichus (not in metro NYC), knew th...My family, on shlichus (not in metro NYC), knew the Freifelds personally, and had a very good yachas with them (needless to say, k'yodua l'yod'im). Rebbetzin Sara Freifeld stayed by us many a time, after her husband was nifter.<BR/><BR/>One vort they heard from Rabbi Freifeld, was a fitting description of modern-era "chumra'nikes" l'mineihem:<BR/><BR/>He said, when the whole Yiddishkeit is "m'tzumtzem" to be obsessed with 3 things: Loshon Hara, Yoshon and tola'im - Dos heist nisht kein Yiddishkeit. <BR/><BR/>Coming from the old world, er hot farshtanen there's more vitality and energy in Yahadus than Bnei Brak chumros..<BR/><BR/>[- AGAV, M'INYAN L'INYAN: talmidei HaChazon Ish, were so obsessed with chumros - they didn't even take the kulos which their Rebbe had laid forward. -- This was quoted from an old essay of HaRav Simcha Elberg z"l which I had seen of late (poss. in HaPardes?)].Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-91681572363902669852008-06-17T16:42:00.000-04:002008-06-17T16:42:00.000-04:00The Shehechiyonu was made at the first siyum made ...The Shehechiyonu was made at the first siyum made at SY on Masechta Megillah. I have never heard the Kapote detail.<BR/>Anyone who knew RSF knows that whenever he referred to "the Rosh Yeshiva" it was to RYH.<BR/><BR/>As an aside, I rememeber reading in the Chabad propaganda "Shemen Soson Mechaveirecho" that RYH had a secret chavrusa with the Rebbe ZY"A, but that following snag influence it ceased. Any confirmation on that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-16262347993676596692008-06-17T12:52:00.000-04:002008-06-17T12:52:00.000-04:00no legend. I've heard the audio.no legend. I've heard the audio.The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-50934538349856750412008-06-17T12:28:00.000-04:002008-06-17T12:28:00.000-04:00Legend has it that RYH made a shecheyonu with shem...Legend has it that RYH made a shecheyonu with shem and malchus during his remarks at Shor Yoshuv chanukas habayis, telling someone<BR/>in private that he bought a new kapote that the brocho applied to.<BR/>The CBers were in full support of RSF. The machlokes to which you are alluding to had to do with a group of talmidim who started a Yeshiva called Romema. RYH"s supposed response was Bonim gidalti veromamti vehem poshu biAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-14338818346351741082008-06-17T12:07:00.000-04:002008-06-17T12:07:00.000-04:00Rav Elya Weintraub (who, was himself, along with R...Rav Elya Weintraub (who, was himself, along with Rav Gershon Weinreb "deprogrammed" from their Chabad-keit by RYH) said about the great CB "cavemen" of the "stone age":<BR/> <BR/>"None of us (the top talmidim) had either the t'chunos or the kishronos of Gadlus. Except for Rav Shlomo. He had the t'chunos of Gadlus."<BR/><BR/>I guess that being the case even if he lacked "Da'as Torah" he was still the "Da'as T'chunos"!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-77991356586437389822008-06-17T09:29:00.000-04:002008-06-17T09:29:00.000-04:00TRAGEDY-did you read the book? dont you think a ce...TRAGEDY-<BR/><BR/>did you read the book? dont you think a certain level of complications between RSF and RYH comes throuhgh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-22256625403161526072008-06-16T22:18:00.000-04:002008-06-16T22:18:00.000-04:00AilimisherShor Yoshuv started in 1967, IIRC, and t...Ailimisher<BR/><BR/>Shor Yoshuv started in 1967, IIRC, and that was only after CB had LEFT F ar Rkwy. to move to Flatbush.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-59501109199550321702008-06-16T21:56:00.000-04:002008-06-16T21:56:00.000-04:00CB moved to Far Rockway in the late sixties, 1967,...CB moved to Far Rockway in the <B>late</B> sixties, 1967, I believe.<BR/><BR/>Rav Hutner did not have a good opinion of the last Lubavitcher Rebbe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com