tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post7544223898951841970..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Confessions of a מצוה טאנץ attendee.... Maybe it's time to retire that practice?Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-84713602105113835092013-04-21T09:15:45.902-04:002013-04-21T09:15:45.902-04:00Can you quote a source for that allegation from th...Can you quote a source for that allegation from the Tzemach Tedek?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-6486461015279645272013-04-11T13:22:08.068-04:002013-04-11T13:22:08.068-04:00On youtube I came across some hair raising mitzva ...On youtube I came across some hair raising mitzva tantz videos. <br /><br />I will reaffirm that if a mihag kadosh is not practiced as it was intended to be, the results are quite terrible. I cannot bring myself to post a link to women dancing. moshe moshelhttp://moshemoshel72.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-9358790508825007182013-04-11T12:28:33.172-04:002013-04-11T12:28:33.172-04:00Moshe Moshel
"' בבה"ט בשם הרוקח דאחר...Moshe Moshel<br />"' בבה"ט בשם הרוקח דאחר בעילת מצוה נוהגים לעשות סעודה ונוהגים לאכול דגים"<br />obviously it meant the other morning...<br />Fact checkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-84046234053095965342013-04-10T14:45:08.271-04:002013-04-10T14:45:08.271-04:00LkwdGuy
"How does "Sara came from Olam E...LkwdGuy<br />"How does "Sara came from Olam Elyon to Rivka's tent in the days of her simcha" equals "Every Zaydah Tom, Zaydah Dick and Zaydah Harry comes to the mitzvah tantz"?"<br />most minhogim have no logic, big chunk of minhogim are based on weaker sources. Eating Cheese cake on shavouth is not based on stronger pillars<br />Fact Checkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-9972514797281433222013-04-10T11:23:01.533-04:002013-04-10T11:23:01.533-04:00באה"ק לצערינו המצב לא יותר טוב
ראיתי תמונות ...באה"ק לצערינו המצב לא יותר טוב <br />ראיתי תמונות חתונה של אחיין שלי <br />והאבא מחבק בתו <br />I have been to many MT in new york and never seen that חסידnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-26646584991046051132013-04-09T16:03:09.540-04:002013-04-09T16:03:09.540-04:00Fact Checker,
Help me out with the logic please.
...Fact Checker,<br /><br />Help me out with the logic please.<br />How does "Sara came from Olam Elyon to Rivka's tent in the days of her simcha" equals "Every Zaydah Tom, Zaydah Dick and Zaydah Harry comes to the mitzvah tantz"?LkwdGuynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-7180685005058798002013-04-09T15:37:25.697-04:002013-04-09T15:37:25.697-04:00ע' בבה"ט בשם הרוקח דאחר בעילת מצוה נוהגים...ע' בבה"ט בשם הרוקח דאחר בעילת מצוה נוהגים לעשות סעודה ונוהגים לאכול דגים...<br /><br />ליקוטי מהרי"ח <br /><br />Fact checker, stop mocking minhogei yisroel. moshe moshelhttp://moshemoshel72.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-50293119745329879472013-04-09T15:11:34.715-04:002013-04-09T15:11:34.715-04:00Moshe Moshel
"Fact checker, I'm sure you ...Moshe Moshel<br />"Fact checker, I'm sure you made a "morning after" seuda ligomra she'll mitva haircutting party. . . As is discussed in the "minhogim"..."<br />I am talking Minhogai Frankfurt, you are bringing me Minhogai Krechnif and Skver.<br />I just saw that the Ri Even Shoaiv(Talmid Rashba) writes that Sara came from Olam Elyon to Rivka's tent in the days of her simcha(Wedding). So to all litvaks that the Zohar does not talk to them(eventough the Old Litvaks as the Gra, Yesoid Veshoresh Avoda and Chofetz Chaim were big into zohar)you have source in a Talmid HarashbaFact checkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-72382923556973272322013-04-08T14:59:45.444-04:002013-04-08T14:59:45.444-04:00Fact checker, I'm sure you made a "mornin...Fact checker, I'm sure you made a "morning after" seuda ligomra she'll mitva haircutting party. . . As is discussed in the "minhogim"...<br /><br />Agav hirshel, tomorrow is wednesday, lommer lernen a blatt/amud gemoramoshe moshelhttp://moshemoshel72.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-46906696200679421752013-04-08T12:29:36.421-04:002013-04-08T12:29:36.421-04:00CMK
"A new minhag that is really bad is havin...CMK<br />"A new minhag that is really bad is having the choson and kallah come in 'for the very first time' through the women's section. Then the choson has to walk through a gaggle of excited girls to get to his friends and family in the men's section. either alone, or bochurm come to get him."<br />this is not a new Minhag its old Ashkenazic minhogim, please start reading Maharil, Reb Yozfe Shamash and Meshivas Nefesh, sorry to inform you , these are old Minhogim probably close to a 1000 years...Fact Checkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-39284118157704467392013-04-08T12:21:02.502-04:002013-04-08T12:21:02.502-04:00"BTW, Twistelton -- What do you mean by the &..."BTW, Twistelton -- What do you mean by the "[the kallah] putting on a show"? Doesn't she pretty-much just stand there and do her best Totem Pole impression?"<br /><br />Yes. But she is the focus of attention. Her and her partner. Every on else is just standing around watching the show (ie the Kallah and whom ever is dancing with her). Where as when the Kallah takes a seat by the Litvish, everyone is dancing. And those who arent are blocked by those who are.Twistelton-Twisteltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-19692573212163636822013-04-08T11:50:35.842-04:002013-04-08T11:50:35.842-04:00I gotta say, this clip of a Mitzvah Tantz seems mo...I gotta say, this clip of a Mitzvah Tantz seems more meaningful than the entirety of most chassenehs that I've attended, but I realize that's just anecdotal:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_1coZx7weo<br />cenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-13727195782954870902013-04-08T11:40:39.230-04:002013-04-08T11:40:39.230-04:00I went through my first 36 years on this earth wit...I went through my first 36 years on this earth with out ever experiencing the kedusha of the mitzvah tantz. Now in my 37th year, I was zoche to be present when a nephew married into a family with this minhag. I never realized before that all that was missing from my yiddishkeit was watching a newlywed young couple slow dancing around a ballroom, gazing into each others eyes. (I must admit, I have no idea if the activity that I witnessed is the norm because as I mentioned, this was my first time.)LkwdGuynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1470274181059471242013-04-08T11:00:16.403-04:002013-04-08T11:00:16.403-04:00BTW, Twistelton -- What do you mean by the "[...BTW, Twistelton -- What do you mean by the "[the kallah] putting on a show"? Doesn't she pretty-much just stand there and do her best Totem Pole impression?chabakuk elishanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-37104410173905072482013-04-08T10:57:34.652-04:002013-04-08T10:57:34.652-04:00I don't get it... but first, can we back up a ...I don't get it... but first, can we back up a little?<br />Before even discussing the MT, I find the format of our weddings to be the single most miserable way to spend an evening. Listening to Eicha is far more enjoyable to me. How anyone can enjoy a chasseneh is so beyond me that I've given up trying to understand it.<br />The vast majority of chassaneh events I've attended seem to reflect an atmosphere that is so grossly lacking in meaning, in joy, in substance, in relevance, in aesthetics, in sensibility, in comfort, in Yiddishkeit -- they make me physically ill. Yet, I still have to put up with them, so I do. <br />Thankfully, I have generally been spared Mitzvah Tantzen, and they are culturally foreign to me, but the couple MT's that I felt compelled to sit through didn't seem to be any worse or better than myriads of other traditional/cultural minhagim. It's one big "meh" as far as I'm concerned, but I don't understand why this one minhag should get singled out as unusually offensive. What am I missing? chabakuk elishanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-60110714473310394802013-04-08T09:43:51.686-04:002013-04-08T09:43:51.686-04:00" Did the kallah come into the men's sect..." Did the kallah come into the men's section during dancing?"<br /><br />I think it is obvious that there is a difference between the Kallah WATCHING a show (everyone dancing) and putting on a show (Mitzva Tanz). But my primary point was that it the shoe was on the other foot (ie, Litvish had a Mitzva Tanz) the flack we would be getting from the Chassidim about the Pirtzus etc would be unbelievable.<br />Anyone who denies this is a liar to himself!Twistelton-Twisteltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64533628389929847182013-04-08T09:40:47.484-04:002013-04-08T09:40:47.484-04:00"To all you Litvaks preening that you conside..."To all you Litvaks preening that you consider the MT pritzus: Did the kallah come into the men's section during dancing? "<br /><br />Yes! As it says in the Gemara "Ketzad Merakdim LIFNE Hakalla"<br /><br />"Did the choson sing eishes chayil to her ?"<br /><br />No. This is a new on to me.Twistelton-Twisteltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-45071503256289360912013-04-08T04:42:46.398-04:002013-04-08T04:42:46.398-04:00To all you Litvaks preening that you consider the ...To all you Litvaks preening that you consider the MT pritzus: Did the kallah come into the men's section during dancing? Did the choson sing eishes chayil to her ? BARF!<br />A new minhag that is really bad is having the choson and kallah come in 'for the very first time' through the women's section. Then the choson has to walk through a gaggle of excited girls to get to his friends and family in the men's section. either alone, or bochurm come to get him. VERY TZINIUS- NOT!cmknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-89171935589177307842013-04-08T01:13:36.334-04:002013-04-08T01:13:36.334-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Karen Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03530340851335174897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-19091264229943191862013-04-07T17:15:17.043-04:002013-04-07T17:15:17.043-04:00Radishkovitzer,
You claim to be a Litvak who mar...Radishkovitzer,<br /><br />You claim to be a Litvak who married into a Heimishe family.<br /><br />I have a few issues with that. <br /><br />Did you ask your RY reshus? Why was your Kallah the one who was NeKhois Darga? Lastly, shouldn't this be considered miscegenation?<br /><br />According to Wikipedia, "Although an "Anti-Miscegenation Amendment" to the United States Constitution was proposed in 1871, in 1912–1913, and in 1928,[12][13] no nation-wide law against racially mixed marriages was ever enacted."rebcharlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-50010498530311663472013-04-07T14:08:20.910-04:002013-04-07T14:08:20.910-04:00In my humble opinion. Those who mock minhogei kode...In my humble opinion. Those who mock minhogei kodesh for whatever reason, really mock even more than they reveal. airrrmontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-12758623951049122392013-04-07T08:43:54.644-04:002013-04-07T08:43:54.644-04:00Twistleton
" the Gemra has a discussion if th...Twistleton<br />" the Gemra has a discussion if the dead know of what transpires in this world."<br />"<br />in Chabad there is a Mesora that the Baal Hatanye,(the Chasidic Litvak) have said that he will not be available after his histalkus, based on that chazal that you mention,<br />It was discussed By Rabbi Greenwald in Hiechel Habesht and then by Rabbi Mundshine in his Masseh AchronFact checkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-32094522356144824562013-04-07T08:36:50.103-04:002013-04-07T08:36:50.103-04:00Pitputim
"Is this minhag mentioned in Rishoni...<br />Pitputim<br />"Is this minhag mentioned in Rishonim or early Acharonim"<br />plz don't get carried away, <br />Dancing before the Kallah is a chazal, and praising the Kallah is a chazal too, there ae differences in how you perform, but the source is a chazal that every child knowsFact Checkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-17757057692242333032013-04-07T00:12:37.534-04:002013-04-07T00:12:37.534-04:00"As per R Pinchus of Koretz - the neshomas ar..."As per R Pinchus of Koretz - the neshomas are there the entire Seuda too!"<br /><br />Skeptical Litvak wants to know if you have to pay the caterer for a plate for them!!More seriously, the Gemra has a discussion if the dead know of what transpires in this world. Why they don’t bring a proof from the fact that they come to a weddings (as every Rebbe knows) is beyond me! Why didn’t the Gemara know what every two bit Rebbe knows!!!!Twistelton-Twisteltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-50596403861197592712013-04-06T06:56:33.316-04:002013-04-06T06:56:33.316-04:00I don't get it. Isn't the time just before...I don't get it. Isn't the time just before the Chuppa, and during the Chuppa considered an Eis Ratzon. They have the Din of a Melech and Malka. What is wrong with them privately davening for refuos, yeshuos etc THEN.<br /><br />I thought this Mitzvah Tance was meant to be a time for those who think they weren't Mesameach Chosson V'Kallo can do so in some "frumer" mode where you don't look at the Kallah and run up and down in parallel with a Gartel.<br /><br />The Badchan (but need it be a Badchan) presumably also includes some words at the end of the night, before conclusion where they say nice things about the Neshomos that are present. I'm not sure why such things can't be weaved into a proper Dvar Torah during a decent speech. Yes, we have speeches in Melbourne. They offer people the Mitzvah of Hakoras HaTov, which really should be expressed to the Eishes Chayil, B'farhesyo in my opinion.<br /><br />Maybe the Badchan arose to ensure the couple were in a jolly mood at the end of the night?<br /><br />Is this minhag mentioned in Rishonim or early Acharonim, or does it have some dubious past, like a Shlissel Challah?<br /><br />I did once blog about the Mezinke, see here<br /><br />http://pitputim.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/mezinke-oysgegayben/<br /><br />and here<br /><br />http://pitputim.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/mezinke-oysgegayben-part-2/<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com