tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post113155644389417974..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Why couldn't they all be like him?!Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-81083980271241096892008-03-30T00:34:00.000-04:002008-03-30T00:34:00.000-04:00HT said:"It's not a cheap shot, it's a description...HT said:<BR/>"It's not a cheap shot, it's a description of the man, saying that although a very nice man, is not what you'd call a "Manhig". "<BR/>Anon said:<BR/>If a RY stepped foot in a YI as a youngster that passels him liaylem voed?? And what if a Chassidishe Rebbe lives in Pariz (Paris) in a not particularly frum area and goes to college there before he becomes Rebbe ? That is different ? I believe that that YI branch was frummer than others then, by the way. I think Rav Pam zt"l maybe was even the Rav there for a time.<BR/><BR/>I konw I am a few years late, but you seemed to have missed this question HT?<BR/>It seems like a pretty stron question to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1132532058215510612005-11-20T19:14:00.000-05:002005-11-20T19:14:00.000-05:00HTthanks for the recommendation, I ordered the boo...HT<BR/><BR/>thanks for the recommendation, I ordered the book immediately, it was even cheaper at amamzon, $6.28 including tax and shipping!<BR/><BR/>Anyway, the book is a good read, and I find it facinating at the contrast between his 2 parents, with his father going to the shtiebel and his mother to the theater!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131989441428202332005-11-14T12:30:00.000-05:002005-11-14T12:30:00.000-05:00bpI missed that about the convention, come again?bp<BR/>I missed that about the convention, come again?Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131740887575485552005-11-11T15:28:00.000-05:002005-11-11T15:28:00.000-05:00Anon:we'll talk after Shabbos, iy"hAnon:<BR/>we'll talk after Shabbos, iy"hHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131740849783322892005-11-11T15:27:00.000-05:002005-11-11T15:27:00.000-05:00N1)don't pick and choose which of my words to crit...N<BR/>1)don't pick and choose which of my words to criticize. I specifically left Morocco off the list of countries that had become bereft of Jews. <BR/>2) That still doesn't the facts about Chinuch Atzmai<BR/>3) ANYBODY can post anything on wikipedia, it's not etched in stone, ya know. I can post about HT and his millions of readers if I want to....Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131736355130452252005-11-11T14:12:00.000-05:002005-11-11T14:12:00.000-05:00"It's not a cheap shot, it's a description of the ..."It's not a cheap shot, it's a description of the man, saying that although a very nice man, is not what you'd call a "Manhig". "<BR/><BR/>If a RY stepped foot in a YI as a youngster that passels him liaylem voed?? And what if a Chassidishe Rebbe lives in Pariz (Paris) in a not particularly frum area and goes to college there before he becomes Rebbe ? That is different ? I believe that that YI branch was frummer than others then, by the way. I think Rav Pam zt"l maybe was even the Rav there for a time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131735466834697432005-11-11T13:57:00.000-05:002005-11-11T13:57:00.000-05:00Ht, as editor in chief you gotta research what you...Ht, as editor in chief you gotta research what you write...the rest of us can make up our own data...<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands#MoroccoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131722515378379982005-11-11T10:21:00.000-05:002005-11-11T10:21:00.000-05:00Moroccan Jewry was for the most part done, at leas...Moroccan Jewry was for the most part done, at least 60 percent of it. The point is that that was not the Kavonoh, it was to save their own hides, as is evident from the above post.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131691015251322902005-11-11T01:36:00.000-05:002005-11-11T01:36:00.000-05:00Tzig why are you always making up 'bobbeh mayses'L...Tzig why are you always making up 'bobbeh mayses'<BR/>Let's say you are factually correct about the aliyah from Sephardic countries ending in 1950.so chinuch atsmoi was ready for them three years later, is that not at least a hotsolah for the younger kids starting school?<BR/>But the emmes IS YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG.While Yemenite jewry was done by 1950,Morrocan jewry which was far, far larger was not, not for twenty years, neither were the othersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131682559839057622005-11-10T23:15:00.000-05:002005-11-10T23:15:00.000-05:00a nice piece Tzig, it once again shows that they t...a nice piece Tzig, it once again shows that they took care of their "own".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131660661183629782005-11-10T17:11:00.000-05:002005-11-10T17:11:00.000-05:00"When David Ben Gurion declared Israel a state in ..."When David Ben Gurion declared Israel a state in 1948, he also instituted a government school system. This system was to include three streams: one for general Zionism, one for Labor-oriented Zionism, and one for the Mizrachi.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>The chareidi Torah leaders established a fourth stream, modeled after the Aguda school system. But then the government wanted to reduce the four streams to two: a secular state system and a religious-state system. Such a plan would have seriously undermined chareidi educational independence. Led by Rav Aaron Kotler and the members of the Israeli Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah, a new educational organization was formed in 1953, Chinuch Atzmai.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Rav Zalman Sorotzkin was chosen to head it.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>At that time the minister of education turned to Rav Sorotzkin with a complaint. "Why do you have to split off the government network?" he asked.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"Why should it bother you if we supervise your curriculum?"<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"Would you ever expect a person like me to supervise your secularist schools?" retorted Rav Sorotzkin. "Can a person supervise something that he virulently opposes?"<BR/><BR/>Reprinted from www.tzemachdovid.orgHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131660464852846392005-11-10T17:07:00.000-05:002005-11-10T17:07:00.000-05:00Chinuch Atzmai was founded in 1953.Chinuch Atzmai was founded in 1953.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131660165815967752005-11-10T17:02:00.000-05:002005-11-10T17:02:00.000-05:00Oy Kurenitzer!1) All of Yemeni Jewry was in Israel...Oy Kurenitzer!<BR/><BR/>1) All of Yemeni Jewry was in Israel by 1950, meaning that all that came to Israel. As was Iraqi and Egyptian. <BR/><BR/>2) If you can give me a more specific date as to the exact founding year I'd really apprecaite it.<BR/><BR/>3) I DID NOT SAY BESSER WAS A GODOL! Please do not put words in my mouth.<BR/><BR/>4) Chinuch Atzmai was founded to compete and not be subservient to the Mamlachti Dati government school sysytems.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131658399810185202005-11-10T16:33:00.000-05:002005-11-10T16:33:00.000-05:001.I can write objectively about group's posative a...1.I can write objectively about group's posative and negative acheivements because I may be the last Jew who does not belong to a party. Now writing about myself thats a different story...<BR/>The Chinuch Atzmoi was started in the early 1950's and the North african aliyah did not hit its stride until after 1956. Ask the families of the shluchim Raskin Lipsker they ran many schools there until well into the 1960's. So Chinuch Atzmoi was a direct response by the Aguda circles to the immigration from Iraq and Yemen as well as heimishe Yidden from Europe. <BR/>As such it clearly impacted on the Spiritual welfare of our Sefardic brothers. I am not taking away credit from Kfar Chabad , just painting an objective picture. In addition the Kloisenberger yeshiva in Netanya had a Sefardic division as well. For many years the rebbe's gabbe was a Yemenite talmid.<BR/>as far as Besser goes he is a fine man , and he is and was a member of the Presidium of the American Aguda for the last 30 years.As such he is a senior lay leader of the American Aguda !!! He speaks at most of the conventions. So I fail to understand whats the issue.<BR/>Clearly he is not of the Talmudic calibre of being a member of the Moetzet. Anyone who knows him sees a Talmid chochom Merchant a Peylishe radomsker chasid of the type we rarely see now , but a gadol ???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131650108622262572005-11-10T14:15:00.000-05:002005-11-10T14:15:00.000-05:00The thread started with some questions posed, can ...The thread started with some questions posed, can any of you ADD sufferers here answer them without going off on a tangent?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131649789626065572005-11-10T14:09:00.001-05:002005-11-10T14:09:00.001-05:00Since when is it a problem to speak highly of a Ra...Since when is it a problem to speak highly of a Radomsker Chossid? Have you seen me attacking them here?Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131649746427918482005-11-10T14:09:00.000-05:002005-11-10T14:09:00.000-05:00"the Rosh Yeshivah of Yeshivas Rabbeinu Chaim Berl..."the Rosh Yeshivah of Yeshivas Rabbeinu Chaim Berlin, a kid from the Young Israel of East New York" <BR/><BR/>It's not a cheap shot, it's a description of the man, saying that although a very nice man, is not what you'd call a "Manhig".Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131649677207638992005-11-10T14:07:00.000-05:002005-11-10T14:07:00.000-05:00how many were lost till they started it?HUNDREDS O...how many were lost till they started it?<BR/><BR/>HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDSHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131648025343949522005-11-10T13:40:00.000-05:002005-11-10T13:40:00.000-05:001) What's going on here ? HT speaking so highly of...1) What's going on here ? HT speaking so highly of a Chagas (Radomsker) Chossid ?? Or is that okay as a horaas shaah, since he speaks so highly of 'The Rebbe' ?<BR/><BR/>2) "the Rosh Yeshivah of Yeshivas Rabbeinu Chaim Berlin, a kid from the Young Israel of East New York" -<BR/><BR/>What kinda cheap shot is that ? What's that supposed to mean ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131647863922144102005-11-10T13:37:00.000-05:002005-11-10T13:37:00.000-05:00"Chinuch Atzmai was started years after the Aliyah..."Chinuch Atzmai was started years after the Aliyah from North Africa, many had been lost by then."<BR/><BR/>What ? Vos redst du ??<BR/><BR/>CA started in the early 1950's, when the NA aliya took place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131644578610754642005-11-10T12:42:00.000-05:002005-11-10T12:42:00.000-05:00"During a conversation I had with Rabbi Chaskel Be..."During a conversation I had with Rabbi Chaskel Besser, shlit"a (founder of the One Jerusalem and a true elder statesman of the Jewish people), he told me that the difference between the Chasssidic and Lithuanian personality made the difference between the person who came out of the Holocaust with his faith intact and the one who didn't. The Chassid, connected to G-d viscerally, with a fire that burns despite evertything generally survived with his faith intact. The Lithuanian, whose connection to G-d was primarily through the intellect, could not tolerate the cosmic enormity of the injustice perpetrated against our people by the Nazis and was either shaken or broken by questions such as, "how could G-d do this to us?" This was an illustration, not a sweeping generalization, G-d forbid. There were plenty of non-Chassidic Jews who also emerged from the Holocaust with their faith intact."<BR/>(reprinted from bestinjewish.blogspot.com)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131641470241212322005-11-10T11:51:00.000-05:002005-11-10T11:51:00.000-05:00KurenitzerBemechilas Kvodchem, but you're doing so...Kurenitzer<BR/>Bemechilas Kvodchem, but you're doing something that Lubavitchers are sometimes guilty of: namely conveniently choosing when other people's accomplishments are worth mentioning. You knock the Peylisher and the Agudists, and yet when it comes to chiding Lubavitch you use them as examples.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131641239213641362005-11-10T11:47:00.000-05:002005-11-10T11:47:00.000-05:00their=they'retheir=they'reHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131641151871899412005-11-10T11:45:00.000-05:002005-11-10T11:45:00.000-05:00I didn't say he was thrown out, I said he left bec...I didn't say he was thrown out, I said he left because he felt alienated from the new blood there. <BR/><BR/>Chinuch Atzmai was started years after the Aliyah from North Africa, many had been lost by then.<BR/><BR/>The problem is the Gedolim in the Agudah don't see themselves as such, the Lubavitchers reden zich nit ein that their influencing the whole world. They may try to, but only in a small way.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1131639574986854472005-11-10T11:19:00.000-05:002005-11-10T11:19:00.000-05:00Kurenitzeryou're all over the place here. try and ...Kurenitzer<BR/>you're all over the place here. try and stick to one topic, we'll have plenty of time to discuss other topics later.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.com