tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post116223807246267883..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Neo-Tzig is rethinking his belief systemHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162832705562733472006-11-06T12:05:00.000-05:002006-11-06T12:05:00.000-05:00Yitzever try asking a Shayleh in New York? It's no...Yitz<BR/><BR/>ever try asking a Shayleh in New York? It's not easy finding a Rov (I speak of Boro Park, where there are something like 300 shuls!)<BR/><BR/>No wonder people here don't bother asking Rabbonim. Whom do you speak of when you mention Mashpi'im /Rabbonim in yerushalayim? I mean people you can actually speak to for a while.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162742678795716952006-11-05T11:04:00.000-05:002006-11-05T11:04:00.000-05:00YitzWe've both acknowledged that we're not there y...Yitz<BR/><BR/>We've both acknowledged that we're not there yet. You're still young, in my case I've basically been m'yaesh of ever getting there (certainly won't if I continue devoting/wasting so mush time and energy blogging). But you do have the resources of mashpia trained mashpi'im and Talmidei Chachomim. Please be kind enough to put the question to them. Trough this technological wonder perhaps we too can tap into your human resources.<BR/><BR/>PS I left a comment on the newest post on your blog. Have a look.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162723522230443782006-11-05T05:45:00.000-05:002006-11-05T05:45:00.000-05:00Chaim G.imho, the higher you get (talmid chacham-w...Chaim G.<BR/><BR/>imho, the higher you get (talmid chacham-wise) the bigger the berurim and the bigger the grey, BUT, the more evident the siata d'shmaya)<BR/><BR/>but i'll tell you if i ever get there ;)<BR/>i'yh.<BR/><BR/>NT.<BR/>I'm sorry you don't have a mashpia who can answer these questions.. imho it's a very american afliction to resort to making yourself a rav rather than finding one who can actually answer your questions. Since you are (i guess) experiencing the second-generation results of this.. you're at a particular loss as most of the mashpiim have had undoubtedly no mashpia.<BR/><BR/>but i think that is one of the characteristics of this lengthy galut.. it just starts to look darker and darker.. i guess i can only thank God that here in yerushalayim there are real tzaddikim and talmidei hachamim who have answers. (certainly those appropriate to someone at my limited level.)yitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866660855678077639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162535344340223532006-11-03T01:29:00.000-05:002006-11-03T01:29:00.000-05:00simple.Thank me for the mining, thank Neo-tzig for...simple.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Thank me for the mining, thank Neo-tzig for everything else.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162532830554633882006-11-03T00:47:00.000-05:002006-11-03T00:47:00.000-05:00My bad. I really did think Hirshl and Neo-tzig we...My bad. I really did think Hirshl and Neo-tzig were the same fellow.<BR/><BR/>Anyway my use of "metamorphosis" was probably more Kafkaesque than biological. The sense that you wake up one morning and as a result of an attitudinal shift you are a misfit, a whole new critter, among your old chevra and faith community.<BR/><BR/>So now I'm confused to whom do I say Yasher Koach for comment mining and posting me and to whom do I wish a refuah Shlaima?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162520138672702352006-11-02T21:15:00.000-05:002006-11-02T21:15:00.000-05:00Now, why would I be anonymous, and which one anywa...Now, why would I be anonymous, and which one anyway?Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162518524571760042006-11-02T20:48:00.000-05:002006-11-02T20:48:00.000-05:00You know H, you've been (theoretically) missing in...You know H, you've been (theoretically) missing in this conversation (unless, of course, you are anonymous ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162516722005209762006-11-02T20:18:00.000-05:002006-11-02T20:18:00.000-05:00ChaimMETAMORPHOSIS?!me?met‧a‧mor‧pho‧sis /ˌmɛtəˈm...Chaim<BR/><BR/><EM><STRONG>METAMORPHOSIS?!</EM></STRONG><BR/><BR/>me?<BR/><BR/>met‧a‧mor‧pho‧sis /ˌmɛtəˈmɔrfəsɪs/ <BR/><BR/>1. Biology. a profound change in form from one stage to the next in the life history of an organism, as from the caterpillar to the pupa and from the pupa to the adult butterfly. Compare complete metamorphosis. <BR/><BR/>2. a complete change of form, structure, or substance, as transformation by magic or witchcraft. <BR/><BR/>3. any complete change in appearance, character, circumstances, etc. <BR/><BR/><EM>Is that what you think happened to me?</EM>Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162515541798161592006-11-02T19:59:00.000-05:002006-11-02T19:59:00.000-05:00Anon,You're not following me. As to your latest co...Anon,<BR/><BR/>You're not following me. <BR/>As to your latest comment, replace the word "angry" with "frustrated," and the source is people who refuse to think. I can repeat the same fluff about ahavas yisroel that we've all heard a million times too. That's not what I am looking for here. <BR/>I'm not saying that what you're saying is false, but I am looking for something that addresses the REAL LIFE ON THE GROUND situation. If you don't understand what I am talking about, then don't bother trying to solve it. <BR/><BR/>R' Chaim,<BR/><BR/>BTW, Neo-Tzig isn't Hirshel - Neo Tzig is a friend of Hirshel's that took care of the "tent" while he was abroad.<BR/><BR/>I realize that the Grey vs. B&W statemnt was somewhat vague. But that's beacuse it has so many ramifications. I'll use three quick and simple examples (I'm just pulling three out of nowhere, there atre many more you can come up with):<BR/><BR/>Q: What is the halacha in a specific matter?<BR/>A: It's a machlokes. It depends on who you hold like, which minhagim you follow, the specific case and people also make a difference.<BR/><BR/>Q: What is the Torah standpoint about issue X, Y or Z?<BR/>A: Depends on which school of thought we decide to take here... <BR/><BR/>Q: What was the Rebbe's position about issue X, Y or Z?<BR/>A: Many people will tell you that it is one specific thing - but usually it depends. There were different answers to different people at different times, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162510109078142732006-11-02T18:28:00.000-05:002006-11-02T18:28:00.000-05:00Yiddishkeit has (almost) always been grey, what we...<I>Yiddishkeit has (almost) always been grey, what were you thinking. that's what galut is. Piskei halacha perform berurim for exactly that reason,</I><BR/><BR/>Beautifully put Yitz. I just have a question. Do greater <I>talmidei Chachomim</I> have relatively speaking more B&W and less grey, or, like a mountain climber ascending the foothills obscuring his view of higher peaks in the range, do the earlier sets of Birurim lead to whole new plateaus of understanding that, when first encountered, seem like even larger murky, undifferentiated masses of Klipas Nogah? <BR/><BR/>I'm far from a Talmid Chochom but if the answer is yes then there is no <I>s'tira</I> between you’re contention and Hershel’s metamorphosis into neo-Tzig.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162508448962247082006-11-02T18:00:00.000-05:002006-11-02T18:00:00.000-05:00You seem angry, NT, I'm not sure at what. Try to f...You seem angry, NT, I'm not sure at what. Try to figure out the source of the anger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162508066601015212006-11-02T17:54:00.000-05:002006-11-02T17:54:00.000-05:00Anon,whateverYou know, I really can't have a dialo...Anon,<BR/><BR/>whatever<BR/><BR/>You know, I really can't have a dialogue with people that are out to lunch. When you have an honest moment in your life, try again - I am saddened by the labotomization that they gave you... Lubavitch didn't used to be that way. Oh well. <BR/>Please save the slogans for your next attempt at mivtzaim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162505746984536082006-11-02T17:15:00.000-05:002006-11-02T17:15:00.000-05:00NTif you please I can put it into simpler, less lo...NT<BR/><BR/>if you please I can put it into simpler, less lofty words, words that even a non-believer like yourself can understand.<BR/><BR/>The first step towards loving others is to forget about your own stature, or place in society. That helps put other people in perspective, they're not so terrible anymore. From there it's a breeze. <BR/><BR/>There's a reason that Chassidus emphasizes Bittul and Ahavas Yisroel so much: They're very much dependant on each other, and you can't have AY without Bittul. Boduk U'Minusoh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162505225123362792006-11-02T17:07:00.000-05:002006-11-02T17:07:00.000-05:00Anon,More empty words? Very impressive. I see that...Anon,<BR/>More empty words? Very impressive. I see that the approach most people take is to kick the whole Ahavas Yisroel thing down to the level of lip service.<BR/>Limbs, bittul, bla, bla, bla. let me see you try it for read. You are so full of baloney it's sad. But hey, if these types of platitudes make you feel good, who am I to argue?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162504393988792822006-11-02T16:53:00.000-05:002006-11-02T16:53:00.000-05:00NTStop carrying on, will you please. 1) The first ...NT<BR/><BR/>Stop carrying on, will you please. 1) The first step towards Ahavas Yisroel is Bittul HaYesh, stop loving yourself and what <STRONG>YOU</STRONG> decide is right, and loving others will come easier.<BR/><BR/>2) Remember that you're being Mekayem a Mitzvah, no less than shaking Lulav, that should be somewhat of a motivator too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162497093534396512006-11-02T14:51:00.000-05:002006-11-02T14:51:00.000-05:00CA Rabbi,Nothing personal, but if I hear the body ...CA Rabbi,<BR/>Nothing personal, but if I hear the body moshul again I think I'm gonna puke.<BR/>Can't anyone say anything practical here? Have Jews all become slaves to abstract parables that deal with nothing real?????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162496133087572592006-11-02T14:35:00.000-05:002006-11-02T14:35:00.000-05:00In medicine and in law what makes a doctor or a la...In medicine and in law what makes a doctor or a lawyer great is the power of discernment.<BR/><BR/>Wisdom in itself can not only become confusing it can lead a person in the wrong direction. A true Rov with a head on his shoulders and Yiras Hashem will always give you a straight clear and concise sense of direction.<BR/><BR/><BR/>As far as Ahavas Yisroel. Let's say one of your limbs were a jerk. A crooked finger for example. Every time you pick up your hand, there goes the jerk.... <BR/><BR/>The same way you would deal with that jerk, that's how we should deal with. The jerk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162492987315814572006-11-02T13:43:00.000-05:002006-11-02T13:43:00.000-05:00BP,Thanks for the varme verter!I said above: "And ...BP,<BR/>Thanks for the varme verter!<BR/><BR/>I said above: "And by Yiddishkeit being grey, I mean that there are large grey areas in hashkofa, halacha, and how Yiddishkeit defines what is acceptable & unacceptable..."<BR/><BR/>Growing up I was told that there is right & wrong, and virtually everything falls into one of those categories. I have come to comclude that, although that may not technically be false, the "right and wrong" of it all really depends - and it depends so much that can even be virtually impossible to know what G-d want's in many situations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162490331304376662006-11-02T12:58:00.000-05:002006-11-02T12:58:00.000-05:001. We're not necessarily in disagreement here - le...1. We're not necessarily in disagreement here - let's put it this way: can we can agree that there are countless black areas and just as many white areas...<BR/><BR/>2. You say:<BR/><BR/>"Ahavas Yisroel means to see a fellow Jew as an extension of yourself. Maybe even as the best part of your own existence."<BR/><BR/>Are you sure? What about the Jew that is, let's say, a real jerk, a crook, despicable or worse....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162488926992580252006-11-02T12:35:00.000-05:002006-11-02T12:35:00.000-05:00Neo-Tzig,Torah is " wider than the earth and broad...Neo-Tzig,<BR/><BR/><BR/>Torah is " wider than the earth and broader than the seas". there are many variables for the many circumstances that are possible. Once a qualified Rov tells YOU what needs to be done it becomes clear the will of G-d, for YOU.<BR/><BR/>Torah offers clear and concise direction how to reach to this "prescription". <BR/>What a person chooses to do, is ALWAYS either right or wrong...no gray as in wishwashy, the here and there kind of stuff.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Ahavas Yisroel means to see a fellow Jew as an extension of yourself. Maybe even as the best part of your own existence. Treat the other as you treat yourself or more accurately Don't do to the other what you wouldn't like done to yourself.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The two above thoughts take thinking into it to appreciate the depth of these explanations --which are both not mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162485583987522052006-11-02T11:39:00.000-05:002006-11-02T11:39:00.000-05:001) tzaddikim (are not meant to rely on themselves ...1) tzaddikim (are not meant to rely on themselves being tzaddikim while they are still alive.) When we see one err, we have to believe they do teshuva.. that's the jewish byline, even moshe rabeinu sinned. [Nevermind what the baal shem tov says about judging others..there's no end to the depth of that torah.]<BR/>2) scientific information will flip flop a hundred thousand times in the next few years. anyone who thinks pshat is pashut is foolish. But I have yet to see ANY scientific data that doesn't coroborate with an appropriate reading of sippur maaseh bereishit.<BR/>3) Yiddishkeit has (almost) always been grey, what were you thinking. that's what galut is. Piskei halacha perform berurim for exactly that reason, the psak turns the grey into black/white. (read the daily tanya it's speaking to this issue right now!!. ps. i'm not a chabadnik.)<BR/>4)Ahavat Yisrael is a virtually unattainable goal. According to the Notzer Hesed (Komarna) the point where you utterly love all of klal yisrael and appreciate each one of them in their uniqueness (and see how much better they are than you) is actually a level of ruach hakodesh bestowed by God. Besides, what's wrong with an unattainable goal?!? Utter humility and never getting angry are unattainable goals too.. but their constant pursuit only serves to improve the individual and the world.yitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866660855678077639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162485217908150192006-11-02T11:33:00.000-05:002006-11-02T11:33:00.000-05:00And by Yiddishkeit being grey, I mean that there a...And by Yiddishkeit being grey, I mean that there are large grey areas in hashkofa, halacha, and how Yiddishkeit defines what is acceptable & unacceptable...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162485018251611152006-11-02T11:30:00.000-05:002006-11-02T11:30:00.000-05:00CA Rabbi,1. I agree2. I agree3. Debatable4. Disagr...CA Rabbi,<BR/>1. I agree<BR/>2. I agree<BR/>3. Debatable<BR/>4. Disagree<BR/><BR/>The mitzva of Ahavas Yisroel sounds great untill we figure out that were talking about loving another Jew, not another Jew loving us. So, let's define love here: Is love on an intimate level - or is this love more of a compassion?<BR/>1. Can't be; it's simply impossible<BR/>2. I can do that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162422193921718682006-11-01T18:03:00.000-05:002006-11-01T18:03:00.000-05:00NTDavke Ahavas Yisroel is what you have a problem ...NT<BR/><BR/>Davke Ahavas Yisroel is what you have a problem with? That's the most difficult Mitzvah?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1162420504341677272006-11-01T17:35:00.000-05:002006-11-01T17:35:00.000-05:00Chaim,Thanks for the brocha. Honestly I dont have ...Chaim,<BR/>Thanks for the brocha. Honestly I dont have this problem with being happy if something good happens to someone, and I can feel bad when something bad happens to someone - even though I cannot create a deep feeling of "love" for that person.<BR/><BR/>BP,<BR/>#1 & 2: No, no, no - you misunderstood. Maybe reread what I wrote in the comments above. I was pretty much saying what you just said. <BR/><BR/>And Let's be realistic about the mitva of ahavas yisroel. If the mitzva isnt possible, then I think weve misunderstiood it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com