tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post1373984318451198512..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: ידינו לא שפכו - עינינו לא ראו - אזניהם להם ולא ישמעוHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-80190809495950583162018-07-29T22:42:25.011-04:002018-07-29T22:42:25.011-04:00thank youthank yougoldhttp://gold-price-now.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-53766692192663736952011-02-09T15:41:50.455-05:002011-02-09T15:41:50.455-05:00This is a good blog. Keep up all the work. I too l...This is a good blog. Keep up all the work. I too love blogging and expressing my opinions. ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-31287658948098108152010-03-10T14:31:27.093-05:002010-03-10T14:31:27.093-05:00I would appreciate more visual materials, to make ...I would appreciate more visual materials, to make your blog more attractive, but your writing style really compensates it. But there is always place for improvementAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-53409313382462436402010-02-13T10:18:37.813-05:002010-02-13T10:18:37.813-05:00New video from Melbourne's Moshiach MenNew video from Melbourne's Moshiach MenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-10750863493490180582010-01-24T08:08:24.611-05:002010-01-24T08:08:24.611-05:00The bigger picture wrote:
as somebody who is in c...The bigger picture wrote:<br /><br />as somebody who is in constant contact ith world at large ie the non religious jewish world, the modern orthodox, the chareidi world and the non jewish world ican say that with the exception of a very specific yeshivishe world lubavitch is by far the most reckoned with and respected jewish group<br />>><br /><br />I would agree that this is so wherever the shlichim in the way-out places are concerned.<br /><br />Sadly many Chabad rabbis in larger communities do not bring respect to Lubavitch. Punkt farkert.<br /><br />R' Telsner is a chashuv rav, but he too is afraid of his own meshichism and meshichistn and allows that huge Yechii sign to hang in his shul. You should see the smirks (or anger) of visitors<br />when they see it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-73893946219140388822010-01-23T05:32:24.867-05:002010-01-23T05:32:24.867-05:00as much as i enjoy ( evn if i dont always agree wi...as much as i enjoy ( evn if i dont always agree with him ) reading isaac's posts, everything david writes is so void of toyre, haloche, mekoyres. its sa that we have guys who want to lve in this "feel good yidishkeyt" which has nothing to do with emes just fits with someones idea what sounds good and what doesnt. thank Gd in the real world outside of intrnet these people in the toyre krayzn are the minoritybigger picturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-89217811894222853092010-01-22T02:33:28.846-05:002010-01-22T02:33:28.846-05:00Isaac,
Wolpe is the man who has single handedly do...Isaac,<br />Wolpe is the man who has single handedly down the most damage to Lubavitchs good name.Starting from a long time ago.<br />Also stop diluting the respect for real talmidei chachomim by anointing every Tom,Dick and Harry who knows how to use Otsar Hachochma as a "talmid chochom"davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-8829985980621652792010-01-22T02:23:54.160-05:002010-01-22T02:23:54.160-05:00"PS. Do you agree that the "people who y..."PS. Do you agree that the "people who yell, have flags etc" create those who break Shulchan Oruch"?"<br /><br />I'm going to be brutally honest:The ones screaming and dancing with flags are second tier abusers.They have been "created" by the first tier guys..The guys who allowed the Meshichist movement the seal of rabbinic approval.R'Telsner is one of them.So is R'Akselrod, the dayan who wrote a letter of harsh condemnation against another Meshichist who doesn't fast or say tachanum, and has "heretical" beliefs, all this according to R'Akselrod, who was the guy with the "psak"<br />Quite unbelievable on the part of both of these men to condem their own created "golems"davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-83451583251480378792010-01-20T19:56:13.493-05:002010-01-20T19:56:13.493-05:00EIther way
If the Rebbe knew what was happening a...EIther way<br /><br />If the Rebbe knew what was happening and did nothing - the blame lies with him.<br /><br />If not then he does not deserve the praise given to him.<br /><br />He can be said to be like the Belzer Rebbe, a great CEO, strategist and tactitian but not the 'Rebbe' per say as he is made out to be. <br /><br />Interesting that both these personalities were not the children of Rebbes and perhaps got a better view of the 'real world' <br /><br />What do you guys think ??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-44395721905483767692010-01-20T07:21:35.718-05:002010-01-20T07:21:35.718-05:00i think david didnt read r isaac's posts. he m...i think david didnt read r isaac's posts. he made a clear distinction between people withteir own emuna which should be left alone and the very loud exhibiting of that emuno which he feels should be stopped.<br />rav volpe is a different story. he is an exeptionsal talmid chochom an his way is not hrouh slogans but through toyre and hasbore. hecarries a remendous respect by rabonim and poskm in eretz ysroel. r isaac - whereas agree with your discomfort of certan type of behaviours that you mentin - your take on r volpe is not factually correct. in early or mid fortie he wa reprimanded by the rebbe (who by the way alwas showed much affection to him and hinted to him that only someone that is held in such affection can get this rebuke. te rebbe also instructed him to publicise the rebbes shita on shleimus hooretz )for trying to write a seifer on moshiach. about 5 years later the rebbe gave him permission to publish the seifer. the rebbe gave at least 2 raboim permission to teach this seifer to baale batim. so i wouldnt put him in the same category as the flag waving tsfatimbigger picturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-17065700030746052822010-01-20T06:57:30.548-05:002010-01-20T06:57:30.548-05:00David. R' Volpe is a Talmid Chacham. No questi...David. R' Volpe is a Talmid Chacham. No question about it. I am not sure which Seif in Shulchan Aruch I should be following to remove his Smicha. Perhaps you think he is a Zaken Mamre? I'm in a position to say that I think he is grossly misguided but that's about all I can say.<br /><br />And what makes you think I don't speak to R' Telsner about these issues? I'm also not about to splash private discussions on the net, either.<br /><br />PS. Do you agree that the "people who yell, have flags etc" create those who break Shulchan Oruch"?Isaac Balbinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-8065278230628551302010-01-20T03:11:42.067-05:002010-01-20T03:11:42.067-05:00"R' Wolpos of this world, about whom the ..."R' Wolpos of this world, about whom the LR condemned!"<br /><br />Isaac,<br />I see that even Volpe by you is a Reb.<br />I guess R'means very little.<br />If you are so adamant that "people who yell, have flags etc" create those who break Shulchan Oruch, why haven't you had a word with r'Telsner about his belief system??<br />Whatever.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-44645618718082724852010-01-19T20:57:52.212-05:002010-01-19T20:57:52.212-05:00Bigger Picture:
The people who yell, have flags e...Bigger Picture:<br /><br />The people who yell, have flags etc etc are the ones who <b>CREATE</b> those who break Shulchan Aruch. This is my point. Do not be sanguine because of the numbers involved. We are in the early days. If the sloganeering, which as I understand was condemned by the LR if it drove <b>ONE</b> person away from learning Chassidus continues, there will be many more unpleasant outcomes.<br /><br />Unfortunately, like many things the LR said, his Chassidim simply don't listen to him and are more "clever" taking their leaf from the R' Wolpos of this world, about whom the LR condemned!<br /><br />How long till more and more people find learning Chassidus distasteful because of the sloganeering. You and I both know that many many people would be a whole lot happier if Chabad stuck to its raison d'être of יפוצו מעינתיך חוצה .... isn't <b>THAT</b> what's it's all about and what the LR lived for?Isaac Balbinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-8326807883888251882010-01-19T20:10:44.539-05:002010-01-19T20:10:44.539-05:00If chabad does not believe in collective responsib...If chabad does not believe in collective responsibility and are thereby washing their hands of people who eat on Asara Bteves, why did the Lubavich beis din with the consent of the Rebbe ban any food with a Satmar hechsher after what happened to R' Mendel Vechter (who for all his knowledge never really made it in the ranks of Chabad other than as a proof that Chabad is more intelectual that Satmar).<br /><br />When Chabad does it 'it is only a few individuals' like when Rebbetzin Chana got bashed, but when Satmar does it there is collective responsibility ???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-2517121850890554572010-01-19T00:45:17.683-05:002010-01-19T00:45:17.683-05:00answer to isaac balbin.
i think that you misunders...answer to isaac balbin.<br />i think that you misunderstood part of what i was saying.my comment was mainly addresed to those that keep on saying that chabad had lost the respect of the jwish world. what i was saying that mot of gthe jewish world knows chabad through shluchim in mumbay, small cities in america, australia etc. 95% of the discussions on this blog are irrelevant to them. i dont want to say in what capacity i am saying this but i am exposed to frume and not yet frume yiden from all krayzn and most have the utmost respect for chabad. the point you are bringing out has merits. i want to distinguish between people like the 2-3 guys who organised 10 teyves who dont represent anyone at all - no rov or mashpia would condone any behaviour which compromises shulchon oruch.the other people yo are talking about ( flags, yechi etc )maybe a bit in your face but ultimately if they are not doing anything against shulchon oruch how can we condemn them? dr berger wants to excomunicate them but then you have many anti zionist groups that will claim that we cant eat shchite or metzaref to a minyen a tzioini. we have to come to terms that there are different hashkofes among our people. many - some meshichistn, some breslovers, some tziyinim express their emune very publically. lets try to excercise tolerance even if some behaviour is not to our tastebigger picturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-78330714621485694252010-01-18T20:14:55.023-05:002010-01-18T20:14:55.023-05:00Yeshivah is the only shule in Melbourne that says ...Yeshivah is the only shule in Melbourne that says Yechi and has a sign.<br /><br />You have 4 groups. 1 - agree. 2 - don't agree but not upset. 3 - don't agree and don't really like it. 4 - those that have left.<br /><br />I think you can debate until the cows come home, but the only change that will happen over the long term, is that 3 will become 4, and 2 will move to 3 then 4. <br /><br />Group 1 will never change unless there is a Psak to end it all including yarmulkas, badges, flags etc and I don't think that will ever happen.<br /><br />I will now stop wasting my time with this inyan and go and learn. Let me know in 10 years if I was right.Don Chipnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-58548269790513376532010-01-18T18:41:01.775-05:002010-01-18T18:41:01.775-05:00The bigger picture wrote:
as somebody who is in c...The bigger picture wrote:<br /><br /><i>as somebody who is in constant contact ith world at large ie the non religious jewish world, the modern orthodox, the chareidi world and the non jewish world ican say that with the exception of a very specific yeshivishe world lubavitch is by far the most reckoned with and respected jewish group</i><br /><br />I agree, and am at least as qualified.<br /><br /><i> the shluchim of the chabad movement make a diference to the world today which transcends the petty discussions that occupy ths blog. even among all rounded chareidim chanad is much morerespected for the work they do.<br /></i><br /><br />Transcends is the key word here. Your implication is that when people do lots of good, the bad is insignificant and "petty". That argument is a non-sequiter. It is like saying that a Kehilla like Ger that shields its child molesters, or ignores them, is absolved of responsibility because they are on the whole Shomrei Torah uMitzvos, learn Yerushalmi and tip the scales en masse to the good. To be sure, the case of molesters is not comparable to those overt meshichiten who display the trappings of antinomian actions. That being said, the Tzad Hashove is that you can't absolve a clear <b>TOLERANCE</b> for a crooked path because they also do good. It is a <b>CROOKED</b> path, and the responsibility lies with Chabad in the same way as the responsibility for people like Mondrowitz lies with the Gerrer Rebbe (who should have sent him packing to the States to face the music). Call me a Chatzuf for suggesting what a Rebbe should do, but you'll need to also quote me the chapter and verse in Shulchan Aruch which says I am not allowed to do so.<br /><br />Bigger Picture: I agree with you in as much as we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. However, the filthy bath water <b>NEEDS</b> to be thrown out. It isn't localised to one bath. It is everywhere. Some wash in it privately. Others do it on youtube.<br /><br />Yesterday, I visited an old age home where 80% of the people who visit the shule are completely over botel. The Rabbi is a truly wonderful Shliach who I have lots of time for. A real ehrliche yid. Why, oh why, does he have to destroy his reputation and that of Chabad by his Yechi chant. He creates only two things: bad feelings towards chabad and the types of brainwashed people who post their chilul hashem on youtube. Do you think his achievements, both in the eyes of Hashem and the Hamon Am are less if he doesn't yell yechi to the deaf, mute and over botel? <br /><br />What Narishkeit.Isaac Balbinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-84975575162256838792010-01-18T09:03:15.580-05:002010-01-18T09:03:15.580-05:00>>1. Unless you doven at Yeshivah in Melbour...>>1. Unless you doven at Yeshivah in Melbourne, you cannot fully, fully understand how this came to be. .... 3. The 7 metre "Yechi" sign inside Yeshivah Shule says that the Rebbe zt'l is Moshiach. If so, then Moshiach has come and Purim is a Yom Tov and we can eat on the 10th Teves. Tell me where I am wrong. ... Is the next step a large picture of the Rebbe zt'l on the Aron Hakodesh?<br />>><br /><br />Why not ? We have the weekly vide of the rebbe there.And what about all those who have a picture of the rebbe inside their siddurim?<br /><br />We REALLY need Moshiach!!Melbourniannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-8987207704147637752010-01-18T02:45:51.562-05:002010-01-18T02:45:51.562-05:00I am not sure why people seem to think there was n...I am not sure why people seem to think there was no plan. They seem to ignore the famous (but hidden for many years) bilti moogeh sicha that the LR said on Motzoei Shabbos after his wife was Niftar. Therein, it seemed to me that he clearly addressed what should happen should he pass onto עולם האמת. The LR talks about the Gemora on בואו נחשב חשבונו של עולם which I think is in בבא בתרא<br /><br />I heard from someone that this Sicha was requested a number of times by the LR for checking but his secretaries "withheld" it from him and it remained unchecked. It is in תורת מנחם but out of order. At the same time, it is available online somewhere. I watched it online. <br /><br />I am not acquainted with Sichos (aside from the odd Rashi Sicha which I enjoy). I'm sure some the erudite Chabad Chassidim who read this blog know the Sicha and the link. I can't remember why I know about this one.<br /><br />I hope those who haven't seen it find it useful in the context.Isaac Balbinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-70783839380105494642010-01-18T01:56:51.102-05:002010-01-18T01:56:51.102-05:00an anwer to the last anonymou:
as somebody who is ...an anwer to the last anonymou:<br />as somebody who is in constant contact ith world at large ie the non religious jewish world, the modern orthodox, the chareidi world and the non jewish world ican say that with the exception of a very specific yeshivishe world lubavitch is by far the most reckoned with and respected jewish group. the problem with he yeshivise world is that they are so isolated and so proccuied with their perception with te jewish word that theysee everything from a very narrow view point. the shluchim of the chabad movement make a diference to the world today which transcends the petty discussions that occupy ths blog. even among all rounded chareidim chanad is much morerespected for the work they do. all this discussion on legacy, leadership, new rebe is so irrelavant to mot people because it ha no connection to real lifein the eyes of most shluchim's work and assistance to so many does make a difference. thats why i think hat when tzig ets so obsessed with 2 llonies in melbourne he is missing the point.the bigger picturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-11748718829128003562010-01-17T20:26:43.839-05:002010-01-17T20:26:43.839-05:00I think that saying Yechi is the only way these pe...I think that saying Yechi is the only way these people have to keep the Rebbe alive in their hearts and minds. <br /><br />To relegate him as dead would make his shitas and , as those of previous Rebbes before him as irrelevant to the current youth who grew up after 3 Tamuz. <br /><br />It was always argued that 'Dor Shvii' was different and that as <br />the Rebbe was alive he could change the shitas of previous Rebbes as being more relevant to us. <br /><br />To admit the Rebbe is dead is to admit there was no succession plan and that Chabad put itself in a leaderless position from which there is no way back (I don't believe anyone can unify and get Chabad back to a single movement). <br /><br />This in no way detracts from their good works but simply says the Rebbe left them without guidance as is evident by the fact that people refer to Igros and Sichas from which they infer what they think the Rebbe meant.....leading to normal Chabad and Leonard/Rosenfeld loonies who everyone in Melbourne knows were never particularly mekushar or knowledgable. I doubt they could read or translate the relevant Rambam or any other seforim written in loshen kodesh.<br /><br />What Chabad must, but never will do is to admit the Rebbe made a mistake in leaving them with no succession plan and either split and divide assets as was done in other groups or fight and make themselves the laughing stock of the charedi world as they have done to date, not just by moshichists but by the fray out rate which far exceeds any other Charedi group... except for the Moshichists because they have something tangible to hold onto other than books......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-92172463815533952952010-01-16T06:57:52.606-05:002010-01-16T06:57:52.606-05:00Isaac is 100% correct and unless you were in the Y...Isaac is 100% correct and unless you were in the Yeshivah Kollel and Shule for the last 20 years and watched the encouragement these guys got to say the Yechi's etc, to talk incessently about Mochiach's arrival, etc etc with the help of the big sign that we don't talk about out of respect, etc etc, then you cannot understand how this came about. Both Alex and Zelig are NICE GUYS who are quite normal, and are honestly doing what they have been brainwashed to do by the Rabbis at Yeshivah. If Moshiach is here then surely if follows that they can eat on the fast. <br /><br />Just as it was a big mistake to give Rabbi Kramer a ticket overseas, the sign is also a big mistake.<br /><br />Is Yeshivah the only Shule where Yechi is said? I know Rabbis Gutnick and Cohen won't allow it or anything to do with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-80953320961040176112010-01-15T09:10:58.294-05:002010-01-15T09:10:58.294-05:00I forced my self to read all the 3 Megillas of Reb...I forced my self to read all the 3 Megillas of Reb Issac of downunder, and I dont see where chabad is at fault for these stuborn lunatics, they are people that have no rational and noting stops them no Rebbe and no Rov., obviously chabad is at fault since they put the concept of Geula and Moshiach on the frontburner,but that was the Rebbes choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-30662584514307517382010-01-15T03:51:20.985-05:002010-01-15T03:51:20.985-05:00"Eliyahu wrote:
ha ha - same exact arguments..."Eliyahu wrote:<br /><br />ha ha - same exact arguments from 1995.... except that I moved far away from Chabad and Crown Heights since then!"<br /><br />This is a comment from here :http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=23618.<br /><br />The post there deals with the cherem or the no cherem-but-shamta given out by R'Telsner.<br />All I can say to Hirshel is that it needed guts to come out with such a post and you are 100% right.Shulemnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64978978131875435362010-01-15T02:13:54.718-05:002010-01-15T02:13:54.718-05:00Joe. I observed Alex and Zelig being inculcated on...Joe. I observed Alex and Zelig being inculcated on a daily basis by two quite radical Meshichist Rabonim over an extended period of time at the crack of dawn. I will tell you off line who they were if you are curious but only if you are motivated to speak with those Mashpiim and ask them for some answers. I spent some time trying to convince these two Mashpiim to undo the damage two years ago. It was too late. That being said, I agree that Alex is certainly a difficult man to communicate with in a meaningful fashion, especially in the last few years when he stopped working and was over-occupied with only this one thing. Alex Leonard and Zelig Rosenfeld are completely driven, like automata. There is one psychiatrist who knows them quite well, and he asserts, though, that they are both quite "normal". Others suggest they have a form of "Jerusalem Syndrome".<br /><br />If you feed people a very unbalanced diet, it is little wonder that they become malnourished in basic Jewish sustenance and make their own shakleh vetarye (based on English Sichos and Maamorim and Websites) and take that short step to eating on a taanis. <br /><br />It is unfortunately true that this is not the first halachic infraction that Zelig and Alex have been involved with. It may be their first on the net, though.Isaac Balbinnoreply@blogger.com