tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post2688246460568773896..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: זכרון קלויזענבורג - קלוזשHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-69465921040544523312010-01-24T13:28:03.013-05:002010-01-24T13:28:03.013-05:00The man in the hat and tie is Reb Simcha Wasserman...The man in the hat and tie is Reb Simcha Wasserman, z"l, son of Reb Elchonon, HY"D<br /><br />you DONT want to do an expose on his life....<br />those that know, knowvalley boynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-89055321546666660292010-01-24T08:22:12.486-05:002010-01-24T08:22:12.486-05:00schneur said...
Do me a favor and ask a Hungarian...schneur said... <br />Do me a favor and ask a Hungarian rav if one is still alive if the Gittin etc of Neolog rabbis were teyfes.. I did ask many years ago and I received a posative reply that they were probably accepted..Perhaps the rav I spoke to did not have accurate information.<br />>><br /><br />Not perhaps. For sure.<br /><br />>>>As far as I know all Neolog temples had separate seating, no organ on Sabbath, <br /><br />Shneer, shneer, vos iz mit deer???<br />They had all that an much much worse. The Hungarian neologs in many places were far worse than the German reform. See Olomo shel Abba where he writes about the Hungarians moving Shabbos to Sunday RL.<br /><br />>>they had a shechitah,(indicating many Neolog jews ate kosher meat)<br /><br />How many of the hundreds of neolog communities had a shechita? Please tell us. 95% of teh neolog Jews were mechalelei shabbos and ochlei treifos - they needed a shecita?<br /><br />>>>For the average Orthodox Hungarain jew before WW2 the name Status -quo was much worse than Neolog, for obvious reasons)<br /><br />What obvious reasons?<br />Status quo actually ha da a number of 'frum' rabonim and baalei batim. I heard from a yid from satmar who said that the N shochet there had a platchik beeber hit and did not eat from his own shechita because N was ge'assered.<br /><br />>>Even today there are a number of JTS grads who have ben kashered by YU as rabbis and believe me Lubavitch works with them and gives them kavod <br /><br />Ukdai bizoyon vokotzef<br /><br />>>in a number of countries where they serve as rabbis and lets say chief rabbis.<br /><br />Where? The only one O can think of is that leitz Schudrik in Poland. Eych mir a kehilla no'eh vechasudehabcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-78685057511992975302010-01-22T00:35:47.091-05:002010-01-22T00:35:47.091-05:00Shneur
You still have to brush up on your hungaria...Shneur<br />You still have to brush up on your hungarian history, below you will see facts that contradicts your blank statements<br /><br /><br />ראה שו"ת 'לבושי מרדכי' ח"א אה"ע סוף סי' יד: "...כי בשנת תר"מ בקבוץ גדול של רבנים אשר גם אני הייתי באותה מנין ואמרו שהי' כמו ב' מאות רבנים עוד מזקני הדור שלפנינו ומדומה שנגמר לפסול הגיטין של כת הנעאלאגען, כי היה מו"מ גדול בענין זה", וראה עוד שם ח"ד סי' קעז, שו"ת 'פרי השדה' ח"א סי' צד, שם ח"ג סי' קסב, שו"ת 'יג"ל יעקב' יו"ד סי' צד, שו"ת 'משמיע שלום' סי' עג, שו"ת 'דעת סופר' אה"ע סי' יד, ספר 'משנת יעקב' (קאפוש) ח"ג עמ' רכו אות י. ולהעיר גם משו"ת 'מהר"ם שיק' או"ח סי' שה. פרטים אודות אסיפת שנת תר"מ ראה בספר 'זכור ימות עולם' ח"ג מאמר ח וצילומים מס' 8-11 בסוף הספר. ולפלא שדוקא הלוחם הגדול הגאון רבי חיים סופר התנגד לתקנה זו, ראה מש"כ באוסף מכתביו 'ק"ן סופר' אגרת קמ.<br />Provided by a friend of mineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-74175668746747416802010-01-21T16:15:16.917-05:002010-01-21T16:15:16.917-05:00Schneur
Why don't you let anyone bother you wi...Schneur<br />Why don't you let anyone bother you with the facts.<br />1) Establishing a Jewish Studies program in KLausenberg University in Roumania is almost as establishing one in China. The level of both is obvious.<br />2) The scholarship of Weinberger-Carmilly can be seen from his book on censorship. Very shvach.<br />3) If no organs in Neolog Temples, how did one arrive in the famous Tabak Temple in Pest?<br />4) No Orth. rabbi would pasken that a Neolog get is toyfes, she the SHUT of the Hungarian Rabbanim.<br />So in one word: facts should also be considered a little bit once in a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-3028533926177560602010-01-21T14:50:47.325-05:002010-01-21T14:50:47.325-05:00Shneur,
Sorry for my using the yiddish expression,...Shneur,<br />Sorry for my using the yiddish expression, Dort Iz Da Hunt Bagroben, teaching Jewish History and Hebrew Litertature is more open to Kefira leanings the Shas uPoskimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-2610089454776388562010-01-21T14:46:32.858-05:002010-01-21T14:46:32.858-05:00Shneur,
praising a rabbi that could be even recons...Shneur,<br />praising a rabbi that could be even reconstructionist is not mamaeh equal to having him teach in your mossad,your analogy is a far streach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-68574849088944206502010-01-21T11:56:19.781-05:002010-01-21T11:56:19.781-05:00Its obviuos that RYDS on Monsey has a problem with...Its obviuos that RYDS on Monsey has a problem with the Stamerer Rebbe, knowing his background and what he did to his GGF RMSG in Cluj.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-51244635241519513212010-01-21T09:52:41.550-05:002010-01-21T09:52:41.550-05:00Tzig. In regards to your comments about YU and ...Tzig. In regards to your comments about YU and Neolog rabbis.. Do Lubavitchers believe in Teshuva or does the Ungarische background trump everything ?When a Reform rabbi from NJ Herbert Weiner wrote a wonderful book (Nine and half Mystics)about among other things Chabad and the 7th nasi, Chabad could not get enough of him even though he occupied a Reform pulpit bepoel mamash.<br />Do me a favor and ask a Hungarian rav if one is still alive if the Gittin etc of Neolog rabbis were teyfes.. I did ask many years ago and I received a posative reply that they were probably accepted..Perhaps the rav I spoke to did not have accurate information.<br />As far as I know all Neolog temples had separate seating, no organ on Sabbath, they had a shechitah,(indicating many Neolog jews ate kosher meat) rabbis were learned men. Compare this to American Reform or contemporary Conservative rabbis and temples .<br />For Hungarian Jews its emotional and nostalgic , for regular American Jews its more objective.(For the average Orthodox Hungarain jew before WW2 the name Status -quo was much worse than Neolog, for obvious reasons)<br />Even today there are a number of JTS grads who have ben kashered by YU as rabbis and believe me Lubavitch works with them and gives them kavod in a number of countries where they serve as rabbis and lets say chief rabbis.<br />Finally Rabbi Weinberger did not teach Shas and Poskim at YU , he taught Jewish history and Hebrew Literature , does one need semicha from lets say Tomche Tmimmim to teach that at YU ?schneurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-32188728320542308342010-01-20T17:36:34.220-05:002010-01-20T17:36:34.220-05:00YU had ex-Neolog Rabbiners on their staff?!YU had ex-Neolog Rabbiners on their staff?!Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-38176761520537275222010-01-20T17:32:29.381-05:002010-01-20T17:32:29.381-05:00Just an aside ,the Neolog rabbi of Kluiz Rabbi Dr....Just an aside ,the Neolog rabbi of Kluiz Rabbi Dr. Moshe Weinberger-Carmilly is alive and well in Israel. He is a serious scholar of Jewish history and bibliography and has tremendous yediios about Hungarain ajewish history. Like almost all Hungarian Neolog clergy , he was a former yeshiva bachur who then enetered the Budapest Seminary. He came from a Chasidic background and also publsihed his autobiography in English several years ago.He also authored amny other works about jewish studies. He created a Dept of Judaic Stuides in Kluiz University and they publish Jewish history works on a regular basis. For amny years he taught at Yeshiva University.schneurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-18534332385818199522010-01-20T17:09:20.027-05:002010-01-20T17:09:20.027-05:00It is interesting to see how the rabbis and other ...It is interesting to see how the rabbis and other frume Yidden snapped their jackets and coats...Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10059323541693220192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-86160819123085478162010-01-20T15:51:04.547-05:002010-01-20T15:51:04.547-05:00I don't know if RYDS is embarrassed of his pas...I don't know if RYDS is embarrassed of his past. I doubt it. He may be embarrassed of some of the cousins posing in the photo. Check it out. I wish you from the bottom of my heart that you don't have colorful einiklach like that.Raboonish einikelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1294252093964040602010-01-20T14:48:19.150-05:002010-01-20T14:48:19.150-05:00that's your opinion
I can understand him not ...that's your opinion<br /><br />I can understand him not being proud (R Schlesinger from Monsey) because in today's world we're taught to be embarrassed of our ancestors, but that doesn't mean it wasn't ok back thenHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-30598928645377425832010-01-20T14:01:17.031-05:002010-01-20T14:01:17.031-05:00I don't think that the heiliger Chasam Sofer w...I don't think that the heiliger Chasam Sofer would sit for this family photo and be proud of the dor reviey (and chamishi veshishi) as seen in the wedding picture. Neither is RYD of Monsey. As colorful as it may be.Raboonishe einikelnoreply@blogger.com