tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post2759978739973890321..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Is Gil Student gefallen ofen kupp?Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-71567223058075147902013-01-10T09:34:56.199-05:002013-01-10T09:34:56.199-05:00R' Moshe AND R' Henkin both make clear tha...R' Moshe AND R' Henkin both make clear that CY is the normative halacha and that it is "chamor". Meanwhile, "CS" is "yesh lismoch", "yesh matirin", etc. However, most people using CS believe that that CY is some incredible "chumra of the month", often deriding it in some very unflattering terms. You tell me who made the "mistake". It is not the ones you want me to have said. Sorry for not fitting your caricature.<br /><br />Anyways, the whole CS/CY discussion misses the point. The entire CS chiddush steps outside an issur derabbanan that is explicit in ChaZal, Tur and S"A. The validity of doing so does not obliterate those prior rulings. So, those who are not strict on CY are, ultimately, not following ChaZal. They may have good reasons for not doing so (and I will not contest them) but they are still doing so. Nobody has yet found a way of obliterating the record of a prior generation's rulings.CRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-41674732928444390242013-01-08T17:44:42.974-05:002013-01-08T17:44:42.974-05:00Uhoh,
Even Rav Henkin made R'Moshes "mist...Uhoh,<br />Even Rav Henkin made R'Moshes "mistake"<br />C.R, you tell themggnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-10113217683377933292013-01-08T15:50:51.922-05:002013-01-08T15:50:51.922-05:00Rav Henkin on cholev okum http://www.hebrewbooks.o...Rav Henkin on cholev okum <a href="http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=22080&st=&pgnum=74&hilite=" rel="nofollow">http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=22080&st=&pgnum=74&hilite=</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-798764349080325902013-01-08T13:07:49.781-05:002013-01-08T13:07:49.781-05:001) Gil's title of the post is misleading.
2) ...1) Gil's title of the post is misleading.<br /><br />2) His take on the different shitos re Divine immanence & transcendence is both puerile & misleading - both from academic & Toyredike perspectives. It is disturbing that someone who has devoted over a decade to Chabadica & religious teachings can come across so uninformed, if not misinformed. <br /><br />At least he should have pointed out that even before the A.R. there were many a (Lurianic) kabbalist who held similar views as the A.R.<br /><br />At least Gil does not make the erroneous claim that the A.R. was a pantheist, & instead calls him a panentheist (see L. Jacobs' intro to "Tract on Ecstasy" translation of the MItteler Rebbe's Kuntres Hahispa'alus). However, to claim that this is "heresy" makes it appear that the A.R. was just another Spinoza.<br /><br />[Years ago, at a shiur Tanya in the beginning Sh'aar haYichud v'Hoemunah in Boro Park in Simpson's Shul, after Reb Yoel explained the shiteh of the A.R., a heimishe farklerte yid asked him, "If so, what is the difference between the A.R. & Spinoza? - To which Reb Yoel answered: "Shpinoze hot farklenert Got az er iz nor in dem velt (mimaley kol almin), ober der Alter Rebbe hot "fargresert" Got, az eloykus iz (oychet) ma'aleh ma'aleh in soyvev kol almin, un nisht nitfes in oylem..."] <br /><br />-- ZIY <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-17577776177753233142013-01-08T03:22:50.609-05:002013-01-08T03:22:50.609-05:00Survivor. Let's start small.
My old friend in...Survivor. Let's start small.<br /><br />My old friend in Chabad of Atlanta won't allow someone into Shule if they wear a Yechi Yarmulke.<br /><br />How's that for a new Takono to start off with.<br /><br />Herd them into their own Shules. Let them break off. They won't survive. They are cuckoo!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-76015099368237649802013-01-07T17:21:16.134-05:002013-01-07T17:21:16.134-05:00"Lubavich has no halachic decree on Cholov ak..."Lubavich has no halachic decree on Cholov akum, not the Rav, Not the Tzemach Tzedek, wrote particular on this matter, it is just a chasidic spirutal issue, that it causes weakens you Emuna .And a Chasidishe Yid that learns Shaar Hayichud Vemuna of the Rav should have mesiras nefesh on Cholev Akum"<br /><br />So what does the poster CR want from a non Lubavitcher, who has never heard from his rabbonim, who paskened that cholov stam is mutter, that it causes emunak problemszevnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-45434206410454788212013-01-07T17:10:12.504-05:002013-01-07T17:10:12.504-05:00"did the ashkenazic poskim accept the heter o..."did the ashkenazic poskim accept the heter of the Pri Chodosh? why did reb moshe have to write a new teshuva with new chidushim?"<br /><br />AS I pointed out you are a first class moron.<br />Look up the teshuva and you"ll see why R'Moshe needs his psak, according to the shittos who argue with the Pri Chodoshshaulynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-77621074131686779802013-01-07T16:36:54.103-05:002013-01-07T16:36:54.103-05:00Pitputim
". You can't get rid of them&quo...Pitputim<br />". You can't get rid of them"<br />you dont get rid of nobody, you just sufferSurvivornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-44855166865248577992013-01-07T16:35:13.648-05:002013-01-07T16:35:13.648-05:00Anon
"Gil Student is a central blogger in the...Anon<br />"Gil Student is a central blogger in the entire Orthodox space, and deserves a kinder remark, "<br />WHY?????Survivornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-33841201169698171732013-01-07T16:33:38.395-05:002013-01-07T16:33:38.395-05:00CR
"obviously though the OK is a Lubavitcher ...CR<br />"obviously though the OK is a Lubavitcher hechsher, the don't consider cholv stam as treif, because if they did,don't you think the would NOT give a hechsher on treif?."<br />Lubavich has no halachic decree on Cholov akum, not the Rav, Not the Tzemach Tzedek, wrote particular on this matter, it is just a chasidic spirutal issue, that it causes weakens you Emuna .And a Chasidishe Yid that learns Shaar Hayichud Vemuna of the Rav should have mesiras nefesh on Cholev Akum<br />Survivornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-41069705231431282462013-01-07T16:27:23.631-05:002013-01-07T16:27:23.631-05:00Pitputim
"Oh, and on the substance of your po...Pitputim<br />"Oh, and on the substance of your post criticising Gil, do me a favour and spend some more time wondering why these neurone-less mostly Israeli Meshichisten who are so deluded that they still come to 770 for Kos Shel Bracha bowing to an empty chair, haven't been removed from Chabad and committed to a mental asylum. "<br />Fighting with them would make things worse, it will create violence and a international Chilul HashemSurvivornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1491280505787307842013-01-07T06:17:12.219-05:002013-01-07T06:17:12.219-05:00There is no allegation. It is FACT. Rav Vosner who...There is no allegation. It is FACT. Rav Vosner who is still alive confirmed it. Forget all the revisionists.<br />He wasn't matir chalav stam, he was matir chalav hacompanies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-2340017347190416652013-01-07T04:41:10.045-05:002013-01-07T04:41:10.045-05:00Pitputim
"(I won't mention the Pri Chadas...Pitputim<br />"(I won't mention the Pri Chadash either)."<br />did the ashkenazic poskim accept the heter of the Pri Chodosh? why did reb moshe have to write a new teshuva with new chidushim?Baby Sitternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-13129026006521701462013-01-07T04:37:12.420-05:002013-01-07T04:37:12.420-05:00Shauly
as the chochem hador look for his teshuva ...Shauly <br />as the chochem hador look for his teshuva and see for your self, and dont be cynic on words of a godol hadoir<br />As a disclaimer I am no Lubavicher and not hired by Lubavich inc. I am a tipesh on my own, who has the honor that Shauly should not ignore me, its one of my lucky daysBaby Sitternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-18797201575277373542013-01-07T00:45:06.759-05:002013-01-07T00:45:06.759-05:00CR,
You are twisting the teshuvos.R'Moshes son...CR,<br />You are twisting the teshuvos.R'Moshes son, R'Dovid is quoted here as saying:"Rav Dovid Feinstein:<br /><br />•1. There is no issur of cholov stam mei’ikkar dedina.<br /><br />•2. Compare to chodosh as a model.<br /><br />•3. If it is just as easy to get cholov Yisroel, get cholov Yisroel.<br /><br />•4. The money factor is to be judged on a case by case basis.<br /><br />•5. Using cholov Yisroel when convenient only is not a stirah.<br /><br />•6. Using cholov Yisroel for milk but not ice cream is not a stirah.<br /><br />•7. Cholov Yisroel is not the same as pas palter l’inyan Aseres Yemei Teshuvah. (Pas palter is a vadai issur in theory. Cholov stam is mutar mei’ikkar dedina.)<br /><br />{The above teshuvos were transcribed by Harav Yitzchok Dovid Frankel of Cedarhurst, NY, in Kuntres Yad Dodi.}"<br /><br />In actuality, R'Moshes psak is widely followed, for example, both the OU and the OK (YES the Lubavitch OK) give a hechsher for cholov stam.Now , obviously though the OK is a Lubavitcher hechsher, the don't consider cholv stam as treif, because if they did,don't you think the would NOT give a hechsher on treif?.<br /><br />shmulynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-11733960391546163902013-01-06T10:55:13.583-05:002013-01-06T10:55:13.583-05:00About the CI allegedly being matir chalav stam. se...About the CI allegedly being matir chalav stam. see here http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=910&st=&pgnum=55Meeendynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-5201997165309999522013-01-06T06:15:12.368-05:002013-01-06T06:15:12.368-05:00Oh, and on the substance of your post criticising ...Oh, and on the substance of your post criticising Gil, do me a favour and spend some more time wondering why these neurone-less mostly Israeli Meshichisten who are so deluded that they still come to 770 for Kos Shel Bracha bowing to an empty chair, haven't been removed from Chabad and committed to a mental asylum. Heresy it's not (most don't know enough to get to that Madrega) but extreme embarrassing idiocy it is, and it's not abating and it's the biggest chillul to the name of the last Rebbe. It's an embarrassment. In Melbourne we still have two to three deranged individuals who stand on a street corner and jump up and down like a refreshed 2 dollar watch. They can barely read Ivre, and their "minyan" is made up of pictures of Rebbeim. They got up and had Chassidus Shiurim at 6am every morning for years. Now look at them. These guys are not waning. They seem to be like weeds. You can't get rid of them. How about addressing this gross perversion of Yahadus?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-4243857077728909902013-01-06T06:05:05.515-05:002013-01-06T06:05:05.515-05:00People keep running to R' Moshe. Chalav Stam i...People keep running to R' Moshe. Chalav Stam is mutter according to the Chazon Ish no less. Look it up, and then throw away the revisionists who were embarrassed that the Chazon Ish just spoke Halacha as he saw it. (I won't mention the Pri Chadash either). Get over it people. You are entitled to your views on that matter but it has no place in this issue whatsoever. It keeps coming up for some reason, as it it's this badge of honour testifying to frumkeit. It isn't. Watch what comes out of your mouths as much as what comes in. <br /><br />Oh, and in case you are wondering, I drink Chalav Yisroel, so now that makes me kosher?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-54009133578609765842013-01-05T23:25:54.542-05:002013-01-05T23:25:54.542-05:00Baby sitter,
You take the prize for the silliest,...Baby sitter,<br />You take the prize for the silliest, most uncouth poster.It's a shame that Lubavitchers need an uneducated ksil like you to "defend" them.<br /><br /><br />Can anybody here, explain what this moron is trying to say?<br /><br />" He was personaly out on the field and he claims that Chulov Akum is chazer trief.... dont Hak a Chienik with the Derabunans."<br /><br />So, the Tzeilemer Ruv, held cholov akum is ossur medoraysa?? Chazer milk is routinely mixed into cows milk in America??<br />shaulynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-29585823936368253072013-01-05T19:51:39.181-05:002013-01-05T19:51:39.181-05:00Coincidentally, in the מילואים to this week's ...Coincidentally, in the מילואים to this week's parsha, R Mendel Kasher defends the Baal Hatanya from the GRA based on a Midrash from the incident of the bush. chakirahttp://chakira.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-76868166656112350222013-01-04T15:16:35.132-05:002013-01-04T15:16:35.132-05:00"CR, wants us not to rely on him be'issur..."CR, wants us not to rely on him be'issur derabanan???"<br /><br />If you actually read the teshuvos in Igros Moshe (there are several) you will see that RMF never refers to "Chalav Stam" or any other such classification (although the title is "Chalav Shel Companies"). Instead, he goes through a lengthy derivation to show that milk produced with the strict supervision of the FDA, USDA and other government agencies is free of the concerns normally applied to Chalav Akum and, therefore, can be considered Chalav Yisrael. Yes, he does use that phrase! He then damns himself with faint praise with the Ba'al Nefesh remark, showing that he really does not approve of anyone actually holding by this reasoning. As teshuvos go these are really works of art. And I have yet to hear anyone using his heter today who echos RMF's real reasonings; they all talk about "normal milk brands", I.E. Chalav Akum!<br /><br />Oh, and you studiously ignore the far more serious problem of those Rabbis who teach that a universe billions-and-billions of years old presents no heretical challenges to the Torah narrative of six days of creation 5773 years ago. Doctor Berger is among those who teach this. You will pardon me if I find his assertions of heresy to be worthy of scorn and mockery more than anything else.CRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-32063046155622341522013-01-04T12:51:53.156-05:002013-01-04T12:51:53.156-05:00Shauly
"Please do not bring up what R'Mos...Shauly<br />"Please do not bring up what R'Moshe said that a "baal nefesh" should be machmir"<br />on a item that rov poskim were against Reb Moshe, how can you say that it is only for a baal nefesh should be machmir. Its like saying that only a baal nefesh should be machmir on a shietel, but other ones can go begilu saar, since the Orech Hasulchan who was the biggest possek in Lita and Russia, held that there is some kula available.Baby Sitternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-21893953198885246172013-01-04T12:47:15.593-05:002013-01-04T12:47:15.593-05:00Chalmers,
are you quoting some teshuva????Chalmers,<br />are you quoting some teshuva????Mehadrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-55550252530622594282013-01-04T12:24:16.232-05:002013-01-04T12:24:16.232-05:00Having read chakira's material on the internet...Having read chakira's material on the internet and based on the contents of the comment I would agree with him. He knows a lot and is not to be messed with. OTOH Gil Student is a central blogger in the entire Orthodox space, and deserves a kinder remark, but then again Student is no preemie and no stranger to polemical debate. He'll live. ejAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-7682473078781188982013-01-04T09:37:15.028-05:002013-01-04T09:37:15.028-05:00Even the machmirim on Left Displaced Abomasum do n...Even the machmirim on Left Displaced Abomasum do not hold that chalav stam is an issur deoraysa, as I believe it is assumed by all that a majority of milk cows do not undergo the procedure, therefore making it a taaroves of min bemino lach belach which requires rov mideoraysa and shishim miderabbanan. There is rov but no shishim, which would make the milk assur miderabbanan. Superintendant Chalmersnoreply@blogger.com