tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post4313694619847747804..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: "מיר זענען חברים צוריק"Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-27463267489998871432011-04-05T12:29:58.007-04:002011-04-05T12:29:58.007-04:00You are correct that every group may it be Duscins...You are correct that every group may it be Duscinsky or Krechnif are proud with their Heritage. But their are no public events of ridicule and hate in the above or in Chabad. Their is no reason to debate with you if you dont see the difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-6712952619904823802011-04-05T12:26:52.273-04:002011-04-05T12:26:52.273-04:00Anon
who in sanz was by the tish, when he said the...Anon<br />who in sanz was by the tish, when he said the deep of the deepest torah of the divrie chaim al hatorah, he quotes very liberally the Moreh, Iqrim etc..<br />I know that the Klausenburger liked to scream that Sanz was torah and only torah, It was also long tishen every 2nd day...probably more Tishen then any Rebbe in the chasidic world. It was not black and white only torah. It does not contradict that he was a 1 of the biggest Lamdonim in his era.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-38144963635607643362011-04-05T12:21:54.156-04:002011-04-05T12:21:54.156-04:00"superiority complex" and the justifica..."superiority complex" and the justification thereof and then complaining how others deride chabad. <br /><br />In yuor mind you have a glorious past (adn you actually do). In the eyes of others, they claim to have a glorious past (which you would not understand since you weer raised to deride anything that is not in sync with your cultic upbringing). Deriding and undervaluing other jews is part of lubavitch. They cannot expect others not to emulate them in this regard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-51725366144310559202011-04-05T12:09:14.704-04:002011-04-05T12:09:14.704-04:00It was not only Belz. In Galitzya overall, the av...It was not only Belz. In Galitzya overall, the average Chosid did not dwell in the theological part of Chasiddus. In Belz the main emphsis was on learning Torah Bekdusa, The same was in the Sanzer School.(I must admit I have no idea what Bobov Chasiddius is all about. Maybe Mr Small town near Lemberg could enlighten us) The Ropshitzer school and it's offshoot's were the only place for a sprinkle of the deep stuff and some Kaballah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-73398023018668180782011-04-05T10:34:10.371-04:002011-04-05T10:34:10.371-04:00To be honest, Chabad definately has a superiority ...To be honest, Chabad definately has a superiority complex (and anyone who denies this never learnt in Tomchei Tmimim). From the way the Rebbeim are viewed to the way the chassidus and minhagim are addrssed, Chabad has always viewed their way as superior.<br /><br />But...so what? They have been blessed with great leaders, great Torah and a derech that is now responsible for keeping Judaism alive across the world. As Jews we feel superior because of our yerusha - should Chabad not feel the same?? (Yes, some idiots here derisively called it a 'Kretchme', which is cute in a childish way. However, any of these idiots who would visit Kansas City, or Valdivistock or Santiago and wants a Kosher meal and a minyan will tell you that Chabad is your best bet.)<br /><br />So yes, there is a superiority complex, but only an insecure person would take the wrong way. I can understand, however, how someone without such a glorious past could feel upset about this. But ultimately its harmless and wouldnt affect an outsider much unless it got in his head.<br /><br />However, per a recent post, not once did the Rebbe ever make fun of someone, let alone let a clown get up on a table before him and do so (forget the immature giggling). Did he raise objections he had with other Jewish leaders in public? Yes. But so what? If the Satmar Rebbe wanted to stop giggling like a school girl and articulate what hes opposed to from Lubavitch, fine. However, considering he is barely qualified to be called a 'Rebbe' and can't come to his uncle or the Rebbe in Torah, I would expect nothing less than letting a laytzon publicly embarass one of the greatest Gedolei Yisroel of the previous century.<br /><br />The fact that people can justify this because of something Chabad or the Rebbe may, or may not, have done is illogical. Since when is one entitled to make fun of another Jew publicly?? Add in the fact the Jew is deceased and Gadol B'Yisroel and you start realizing it will be very difficult to do T'shuvah here. I guess you can go to the Ohel and asking forgiveness b'rabim - but something tells me ZLT wont be making the trek to the Ohel any time soon.<br /><br />The more I see and hear from Zalman Leib, the more impressed I am by his brother, who seems to carry at the least the dignified outside appearance of a Rebbe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-73235932091156131142011-04-05T09:38:54.668-04:002011-04-05T09:38:54.668-04:00@Anon 6:34 --
Just to add, re the Kabolo idea:
In...@Anon 6:34 --<br />Just to add, re the Kabolo idea:<br /><br />In the recently published "Gishmei Brocha" (Printed in back of Seh l'Boyis; Tzig brought it here a bit ago), p704, the compiler R' Shimon Hirshler of London recalls:<br /><br />סיפר לי הג"ר יוסף ליברמן, (רב דחסידי סאדיגורא בירושלים וראש כוללי "שומרי החומות", בעהמח"ס "משנת יוסף"), שהי' גיסו של הרה"ק מהר"א מבעלזא זי"ע. שפעם שאל אותו גיסו את סדר לימודיו, והגיד שלומד לפני התפלה טור וב"י הל' מקוואות, וגם ס' התניא. ושיבח מאד את ענין לימוד "מקוואות" קודם התפלה, ואמר שהוא דבר נכון והגון. ועל ס' התניא אמר לו שילמוד בו, אבל ידלג על עניני הקבלה שמובאים שם. <br /><br />So even in Tanya, the non-Kabolo aspects only.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-61675530563860769522011-04-05T08:20:02.408-04:002011-04-05T08:20:02.408-04:00and yes, in chabad farbregens (including those by ...and yes, in chabad farbregens (including those by r. yisorel fridman) deriding of respected individuals in the norm and it's done in front of youngsters and that is how they educate "unzere zibooris iz besser vie zeyere eedis"!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-69269611719694607452011-04-04T22:44:55.466-04:002011-04-04T22:44:55.466-04:00is so morally obtuse and demented that only this s...<em>is so morally obtuse and demented that only this site can tolerate it.</em><br /><br />מה לך כי תלינו עלי???Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-28565473128799981712011-04-04T22:43:26.383-04:002011-04-04T22:43:26.383-04:00Gelk,
You and your ilk are such liars!!!. Naar ho...Gelk,<br /><br />You and your ilk are such liars!!!. Naar hoyisi vegam Zokanti, and I never heard by any Lubavitcher Farbrengen any lambasting or lampooning of any other figure! Whoever says otherwise never attended Farbrengens! And of course talking about Reb Yoel, and claiming a brazen lie that only in his olden years he tamed, is insolence of the highest order! Lies pure lies. I attended hundreds of his Farbrengen and others, and usually besides generic and theoretical descriptions of the "other" there is no denigrating anyone in particular. Of course it is always possible that there is someone an idiot usually who did it, but it is never common fare.<br /><br />And likewise, the comparison between the Rebbe criticizing without naming names a particular behavior or statement from anyone to open Letzones and personal insults and spoofing of a man passed on almost 2 decades while a so called Rebbe sits there and smiled, is so morally obtuse and demented that only this site can tolerate it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-74153890751740861892011-04-04T18:55:42.304-04:002011-04-04T18:55:42.304-04:00Chabad is the only krayz where their Rebbe preache...Chabad is the only krayz where their Rebbe preached kiruv in other religious groups. Yet, they would never allow anyone to bring "outside" influences to them. It was only natural for Yoel to give lectures near Mir yeshiva, years ago, imagine the inverse?Ferklnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-18981420149749742762011-04-04T18:53:56.506-04:002011-04-04T18:53:56.506-04:00"Were you ever by reb yoels farbrengen?"..."Were you ever by reb yoels farbrengen?"<br /><br />Yup. He taimed down in his older years.Gelk.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-85370282244779334652011-04-04T18:47:37.610-04:002011-04-04T18:47:37.610-04:00Anon
"yea but the Hascomos are all forged. (M...Anon<br />"yea but the Hascomos are all forged. (Meziuef).. When he left the Falticaner was furious and told his ppeople. How dare a yungerman to say that its meziuef??? What about him himself "ahr iz yea emmes???"<br />The rumor that it is forged, is not a Skverer invention, I heard it years ago from a Galicaner Rebbishe Einikel with no affiliation to skver and no enemy of Breslov. <br /><br />I guess since the Faltichaner had no Chasidim from Belz or Chernobil, so he carried no family grudges. <br />I Heard from 2 of the yungeliet(today they are all great grandfathers) that he loved Likutie Sichos for the clarity, his vort on the Lubavicher Rebbe was always, Oifene Moach.<br />I guess the Stiens did not print it in their biography, They are molding him exactly to their whims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-78576929208191848502011-04-04T18:38:42.923-04:002011-04-04T18:38:42.923-04:00Gelk
Were you ever by reb yoels farbrengen,or by r...Gelk<br />Were you ever by reb yoels farbrengen,or by reb Sruel Friedman?<br />how many deragotory statements did you hear from him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-15813091182062040022011-04-04T18:34:09.463-04:002011-04-04T18:34:09.463-04:00Anon
"For Belz it was Kotsk, Chabad, Izbitza,...Anon<br />"For Belz it was Kotsk, Chabad, Izbitza, Breslov , that were all banned together."<br />which part of Chabad was banned in Belz?<br />I saw this week that someone Non Chabadnik asked Bezler ruv Z"L if he should learn with bucherim a shiur tanya,<br />He answered as following,<br />in Belz was a Kepieda not to learn Kabola, Tanya is not Kabola. <br />Also all his Ungarische Chasidim learned tanya with no problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-4163658422905265352011-04-04T18:22:49.401-04:002011-04-04T18:22:49.401-04:00It is ironic how the Chabatzkers react when they g...It is ironic how the Chabatzkers react when they get a taste of their own medicine. They are the worst in this regard, as they can't have a "farbrengen" without the leader (not just a badchan on purim) making derogatory remarks about other Jews. Many Chabatzkers, especially the tzugikumeners, associate "learning" Chasidus, with the bashing of all other yiddenGelknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-45304708005091092932011-04-04T17:36:12.810-04:002011-04-04T17:36:12.810-04:00The Falticaner's liking of Breslov, is a well ...The Falticaner's liking of Breslov, is a well known fact. I have heared it from a number of reliable sources. It is also stated in his Sefer Peukdas Eliezer in the Toldos. It is also a fact that Reb Moteler Tcnornbler Ztl granddaughter married Reb Nachman's grandson. I once asked a respected Skevere gentleman about this, and the idiot replied that "he completely cut off from the Derech of Breslov". I suppose wearing booths in the summer was more appealing than learning Leuketey Moharan.<br /><br />The present Skevere visited once the Falticaner and on the table was the Lekutey Moharan. The Skvere was still in his young spirit and asked the host (who could have been his granfather) "Az by inz hot men nisht gehaleten fin deim". The Falticaner replied that the Sefer has Hascomos from the Kozniter Magid and The Rebbe of Lublin, and the Skvere responded, yea but the Hascomos are all forged. (Meziuef).. When he left the Falticaner was furious and told his ppeople. How dare a yungerman to say that its meziuef??? What about him himself "ahr iz yea emmes???<br /><br />As far as Belz is concerned. Belz had no problem with Breslov per se. For Belz it was Kotsk, Chabad, Izbitza, Breslov , that were all banned together.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-72639905552523813762011-04-04T16:53:25.619-04:002011-04-04T16:53:25.619-04:00I guess i am from a different Russia :)To my knowl...I guess i am from a different Russia :)To my knowledge, Skvere Rebbe knew a difference between Ukrainisher Poiren and american yeshiva bucher. Who ever wanted to understand and work on chasidus-did.Whoever wanted to stay a poier-stayed.<br /><br />One of the iker things that reb Nakhman wrote, was that you not suppose to have emine bli taam in a tsadik-so, i guess that's answers a lot. By the way, Rizhiner Rebbes were MUCH more open minded then their cousins (all of them had lekitei mohoran at home, even though they did not let their chasidim learn it for the reasons brought above)russian chusidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-39104707402864917492011-04-04T16:25:18.988-04:002011-04-04T16:25:18.988-04:00I am sorry Russian Chosid
it is not their fault. ...I am sorry Russian Chosid <br />it is not their fault. this is what Russian Chassidus is all about,preached to them by the Russian Rebbes I am sorry but they are told to say Meor Einiem as tehilim shabos morning. with no understanding what so ever,.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-23824650156948078952011-04-04T16:14:30.672-04:002011-04-04T16:14:30.672-04:00I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT I WILL SAY NOW, SO I...I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT I WILL SAY NOW, SO I RATHER WILL NOT SAY.:)<br />@#$&^&(*&^&*(K<br /><br />Yous should of just ask them a pshat in Meor Einaim or Toldos. They know only how to put 3 shins in tfilin and go with shtibelakh (oifen kop oich)russian chusidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-58728618895459115702011-04-04T16:08:18.231-04:002011-04-04T16:08:18.231-04:00Anon
"Shvicho shel Tzadik - Leket sichos"...Anon<br />"Shvicho shel Tzadik - Leket sichos"<br />there are too many lies in there, they killed the honest stuff, for instance they create Sakmer ruv in to a full fledge Breslover, <br />He maybe glanced in to the sefer, but noting elseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-91977335835273626282011-04-04T16:05:30.816-04:002011-04-04T16:05:30.816-04:00Russian Chosid
I was on a tour bus in Ukraine/Pola...Russian Chosid<br />I was on a tour bus in Ukraine/Poland. The bus stopped by Reb Nachmen in Uman. A few Rachmistrivker Chasidim did not go off the bus. When asked for the reason they answered sheepishly It is Avoda Zora Beshituf, Rachmona Litzlan. this Kids have no idea what it is all about, but really wired with that nonsense. I saw the Skverer saying that by Him (Breslov) the person was in question, not his ideas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-55297012835132879412011-04-04T15:37:29.217-04:002011-04-04T15:37:29.217-04:00Machnonke Rebbe ZAL who was a reak Skvere Kind, sa...Machnonke Rebbe ZAL who was a reak Skvere Kind, said that in comunist Russia all taines were taken off Breslov, BECAUSE OF THEIR MESIRUS NEFESH.<br /><br />To all of the above:<br /><br />Taines on Breslov mtsad Chernobiler Rebbes were because they said that his derech is tzi hoich. THATS ALL.Chasidim used this as an excuse for power struggle.However to Asaf that does not matter- he will mix any old time Rebbe with dirt any day.russian chusidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-23497085902998806832011-04-04T15:24:02.362-04:002011-04-04T15:24:02.362-04:00There's a recent Breslov book, it's entitl...There's a recent Breslov book, it's entitled "Shvicho shel Tzadik - Leket sichos", (available on recent versions of Otzar HaChochma), compiling from all across the spectrum of admorim and Gedolei Yisroel, who spoke about R"N and/or his seforim.<br /><br />Maybe there's something there on RYD or Faltchiner?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-58536876321237095552011-04-04T12:48:45.837-04:002011-04-04T12:48:45.837-04:00My time is limitedMy time is limitedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-57115347527218613522011-04-04T12:01:49.592-04:002011-04-04T12:01:49.592-04:00"Gimel Kelipas Hatemaye"
please write in..."Gimel Kelipas Hatemaye"<br />please write in complete sentencesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com