tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post5315754118412318315..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Big Man Good BookHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-33202523450636601942008-07-07T23:28:00.000-04:002008-07-07T23:28:00.000-04:00to CBTI share your sentiments about CB and RAS. I ...to CBT<BR/>I share your sentiments about CB and RAS. I agree with you that the Isaac Hersh story is an abomination and would like to be in contact with you about your experiences. How could this be arranged?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-91894256025680921902008-06-25T04:10:00.000-04:002008-06-25T04:10:00.000-04:00To "cb insider" who says some weird things:"Editin...To "cb insider" who says some weird things:<BR/><BR/>"Editing my comment was unfair."<BR/><BR/>How about the sending of Isaac Hersh to Tranquility Bay was that also "unfair" such callous gall and no heart, just an RAS attack dog.<BR/><BR/>"CBT has written extensively regarding the Rosh Yeshiva and his (alleged) motivations for actions"<BR/><BR/>Can you sepcify what I have said that is PROVABLY false and what the truth is please?<BR/><BR/>"It is only proper that people know the identity of CBT"<BR/><BR/>You should know that this would only work to the advantage of CBT and that you would then make him into a truly notable person, albeit notorious in CB eyes -- but to be hated by CB often means to be loved by the outside world -- in his own right something that CBT has been avoiding until now. CBT would be absolutely delighted to identify himseelf and would love to then send Tzig hundreds of original documents about his life and his interactions with RAS and CB over many years so why would anyone connected with CB want to risk that?<BR/><BR/>"and his personal motivation"<BR/><BR/>You fail to see that someone can be objective even when they may have been part of the events and you are trying the good ol' red herring technique of switching the focus away from the real issues and making CBT "the issue" when it is far from so. You will have to come up with a better solution and strategy.<BR/><BR/>"to gain perspective in understanding what is behind this."<BR/><BR/>Sure and would RAS and CB risk the damage to many innocent people such as to the family and others connected to CBT that would be directly hurt by outing CBT. Know this, CBT has considered all the options and angles and is willing and ready to be outed but has refrained from doing so out of concern for innocent lives that will be hurt by that, including talking about things in CB that for now have been off the table and that CBT has studiously avoided. But "cb insider" evidently does not care about innocent lives, he only wishes to be a RAS attack dog and continue with his public RAS worship, so be it, we'll see what happens. <BR/><BR/>"Why did you edit my post?"<BR/><BR/>Hey, you or me or CB do not rule the universe or the Internet you know. <BR/><BR/>"Okay hirshel, its your blog and I accept your rules(in any case, I dont have a choice)."<BR/><BR/>What a so and so this guy must be, I would love to meet him, I probably know him and see who he is and report back to the world what kind of person chooses to be a RAS attack dog. <BR/><BR/>"However, keep in mind that his identity is very relevant here."<BR/><BR/>So what? People would be amused that CBers are getting so worked up from the words of a small time person really. Why do they fear him so much if he has so many problems of his own? Everyone who is someone has an identity, and they are proud of it, warts and all.<BR/><BR/>"All who know him will attest to his talent and his brains,"<BR/><BR/>Thank you.<BR/><BR/>"but will also plainly see him as a mechutzaf"<BR/><BR/>Too bad, did not RYH teach his proteges to have ga'ave dekedusha and to always question authority? And who are you to judge me as a "mechutzaf" when I have the guts to do what noone else dares to do and which evidently upsets you so much that you must resort to the lowly level "outing" which I don't care about in any case, but still wish to spare innocent people in CB harm. My words have been pretty directly sustained at RAS and a little at RAF but at few others. When I talk of CB generically it's about bad middos that everyone knows they have. And even if I were to be outed, would that give my words less importance or would less people listen? Nope. All it would prove is what I have said all along that ever since the Isaac Hersh case broke out and people began discussing it online that RAS has then sent out attack teams to hit people below the belt and shut them up. But it will not work with me, because as I have said, "dead men cannot be killed" and I do not mean it in the literal sense of course, it's a moshul.<BR/><BR/>"(aside from his disgusting comments directed against the Rosh Yeshiva)"<BR/><BR/>They are are all true. Just see what he has done to so many people and still wishes to do.<BR/><BR/>"with a wicked mind (just look at his attempted comments regarding the Shisgal and Jeager families for starters)."<BR/><BR/>Oh so now I have a "wicked mind" that is funny. What I said about the Yeagers is that they had a daughter that was ill and had a complex illness that's all. What happened with the Shisgal's is true, the girls were involved in posing for Penthouse, I did not make that up, and I posited that it was just one reason why some in CB had lost respect for the credibility of the broader Feinstein family, if I am wrong disprove me but calling my mind "wicked" after you just admitted that I have "talent and his brains" is sort of a self-defeating argument. You are frustrated and shocked, I can understand that, but you will have to live with it.<BR/><BR/>"Furthermore, while it is not fair to judge anyone,"<BR/><BR/>But that will not stop you obviously.<BR/><BR/>"there are obvious psychiatric issues that play into this issue."<BR/><BR/>A truly icked tactic used by all tyrannies to silence dissent. So I am not shocked that you resort to this. You also fail to realize that we live in an open society that is accepting of all sorts of people. I am not running for president and I am not seeking any public office, so that line of attack help not help one iota. You think you are dealing with an infant and you can frighten the infant into silence by waving a stupid magical stick, but it will only repulse people more against CB and not make you or them seem more lovable in any way. Just more CB emotional brutality, what else can be expcted from them. It should be obvious I can take a lot of punishment and that I do not respond to threats. Ok, so let the readers decide. But I could talk about lots of nisht tzum zach allegations about people in CB and I don't, and about RAS's family but I have chosen not to, because those things have nothing to do with serious discussions. I have lived a fairly long life by now. My parents were both tough but tortured Holocaust survivors. Many people in all corners of the Torah world carry the same scars with them in mind and in spirit as I do and many will find in me a kindred spirit and not the "demon" you wish to bring out. Shame on you for not discussing issues but for seeking the way of being a RAS attack dog. Sure, I have gone through depressions, who wouldn't after 30 years under RAS and other terrible challenges in life, and, will this make you happy, RAS took advantage of that to knock me down even more. He kicked a man when he was down (in the metaphoric sense) and I would be glad to oblige to tell that story in detail to anyone who would care to listen. How and when and why RAS tried to openly and directly destroy my marriage. Do you want me to go and on and then this will actually land up on the front page of the NY Post? Have your way. I can live with anything after all the bizyones RAS has imposed upon me, and here for the world to see is how you an actual live RAS attack dog coming after me with the same language and technique, but guess what, THE INTERNERT IS A GREAT EQUALIZER where both the small can finally have their voices against the seemingly mighty and the way RAS wants to squelch me is the same reason the leaders of China filter out and block much of the Interent because they fear any threats and questions to their rule. But sorry, I have been abused too long. About my life in CB I never complained and never opened my mouth to RAS and suffered respectfully in silence for over 30 years like all good soldiers falling on their swords, but with the Isaac Hersh case I said enough is enough, it has gone too far, and people in my family know that I have spoken about RAS's now evident rishus in the Isaac Hersh regard many times in my home and why that is so, it is now a "pilegesh begivah" story that must be opposed and noone in CB has dared to do so but me, so be it! BUT FOR ISAAC HERSH I WILL SACRIFICE MY LIFE because what happned to him was plain and simple an abomination that gives no rest to my soul, I can identify with 100%, so that RAS and all of CB should hang their shame in and not come here faking yet again their false tzidkus.<BR/><BR/>"To CBT I say the following."<BR/><BR/>I am always listening, but who the heck are you in any case that I should listen to you buddy?<BR/><BR/>"If you think that I am wrong then why not out yourself and let the public decide based on your reputation."<BR/><BR/>See my words above that should explain things for now. You ARE wrong because you accept the will of a tottering dictatorship under RAS and will not think openly for yourself. And finally, I have had and still have a great reputation in all that I have done in my lifelong devotion to working on behalf of Klal Yisroel and I have all the hundreds of letters of support and original documentation to prove it and were my name to become public for any reason, and I say again it is a wrong move on your part, I will kindly ask Tzig to publish select letters and documents about who and what I am and what I have done and fought for for Klal Yisroel and we let Jewish, and maybe even world, public opinion decide. I have not sat on my behind and I have always been willing to face the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-7957761034609497962008-06-24T13:24:00.000-04:002008-06-24T13:24:00.000-04:00Okay hirshel, its your blog and I accept your rule...Okay hirshel, its your blog and I accept your rules(in any case, I dont have a choice). <BR/><BR/>However, keep in mind that his identity is very relevant here. All who know him will attest to his talent and his brains, but will also plainly see him as a mechutzaf (aside from his disgusting comments directed against the Rosh Yeshiva) with a wicked mind (just look at his attempted comments regarding the Shisgal and Jeager families for starters). Furthermore, while it is not fair to judge anyone, there are obvious psychiatric issues that play into this issue. <BR/><BR/>To CBT I say the following. If you think that I am wrong then why not out yourself and let the public decide based on your reputation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-67582228403320245982008-06-24T10:04:00.000-04:002008-06-24T10:04:00.000-04:00outing posters is not allowed. simple as that.outing posters is not allowed. simple as that.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-45772477574967371172008-06-24T09:59:00.000-04:002008-06-24T09:59:00.000-04:00HT,Editing my comment was unfair. CBT has written ...HT,<BR/><BR/>Editing my comment was unfair. CBT has written extensively regarding the Rosh Yeshiva and his (alleged) motivations for actions. It is only proper that people know the identity of CBT and his personal motivation to gain perspective in understanding what is behind this. <BR/><BR/>Why did you edit my post?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-31361379366959132482008-06-23T20:21:00.000-04:002008-06-23T20:21:00.000-04:00To the RAS attack dogs "vus nisht" and "Cb insider...To the RAS attack dogs "vus nisht" and "Cb insider" who are reduced to barking and howling that I am "paranoid" or "insane" or whatnot and other such drivel beneath contempt, you must really be hallucinating to think that you can shut people up with such crude behavior. Shame on both of you. <BR/><BR/>The facts are that CBT has had a long and stormy relationship with CB (like many others), he is a qualified historian from two accredited universities and knows how to compile and state serious data and information accurately and objectively, who was honored by Cb over the years when he helped them a lot (in his own ways and it's all relative of cocurse), who still has very close family in CB and who knows of every mailing and Email until the present moment, who knows hundreds of people from CB from top to bottom who have told him their life histories over a long period of time and CBT's memory is excellent, so they are so patheteic in their lies and their wild attempts at a hateful smear campaign. <BR/><BR/>People like "vus nisht" who speak with such abhorant arrogance do not harm CBT but they show the world the true ugly face of the typical CBer ba'al ga'ave that is despied by many in the Torah world and who thinks he is king of the roost when he should go fly a kite like the baby he really is.<BR/><BR/>They have reverted to the standrad procedure that has been deployed by the RAS attack dog minions who have dared to question them and that is to not answer the question and issues brought forth (of course how dare "simple folk" ask questions in a dictatorship, they don't even respond to hazmonas from batei din, such so-and-sos?) but prefer to come up with all sorts of faults in those that talk truth to power, one of the most childish of techniques. This is a method used by all totalitarian-type regimes to fight any dissidents and critics and they even will have them institutionalized as happened in the former USSR.<BR/><BR/>They are also guilty of a DELIBERATE huge mistake in logic and hoping that noone will notice, that is called in simple language "changing the subject" or as it's known in logical parlance "red herring arguments" as explained by Wikipedia:<BR/><BR/>"Red herring fallacy, a logical fallacy in which one purports to prove one's point by means of irrelevant arguments" and "In literature, a red herring is a narrative element intended to distract the reader from a more important event in the plot..."<BR/><BR/>Goodbyre red-herrings, after all RAS has banned real kidushes on Shabbos in yeshiva and all that people are allowed to eat at a big kiddush are *herring/s", some cake and flavored seltzer. No wonder they are showing signs of Yiddishe emotional deprivation, like people deprived of brain food.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-9311956204267840522008-06-23T18:49:00.000-04:002008-06-23T18:49:00.000-04:00CBT's information is a combination of some inside ...CBT's information is a combination of some inside information from the yeshiva (mostly from the late 70's Carlebach era), some current informatino from blogs which is partially incorrect(e.g., the Lipa and Hersh stories), and much of his own speculation. This speculation stems from a combination of both his bright mind and paranoid personality style. It is apparent that he is very angry at RAS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/>and generally bitter about life.------------------------------------------------------------------Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-8540171977283406192008-06-23T13:35:00.000-04:002008-06-23T13:35:00.000-04:00CBT,Once again you have avoided all questions aime...CBT,<BR/><BR/>Once again you have avoided all questions aimed at you. <BR/><BR/>You are walking away without the last bit of dignity that you had left.<BR/><BR/>But I’m sure you’ll continue to babble on like a paranoid madman repeating your anti CB/RAS mantras, and the second somebody disproves you, you will begin to spew all sorts of your arrogant and false garbage. <BR/><BR/>I must admit I do enjoy your madness to a degree. Reading your paranoid and hate filled blogs is indeed an entertaining spectacle, much like watching a drunk homeless guy.<BR/><BR/>You are truly insane. That, even without the $2, will get you a free subway ride.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-34488225894372555802008-06-20T17:22:00.000-04:002008-06-20T17:22:00.000-04:00vus nisht: Have your say. It's a democracy in Amer...vus nisht: Have your say. It's a democracy in America. Your exercise in aplogetics is childish. <BR/><BR/>You don't have a clue about me or what the complicated history is between me and my family and RAS for well over 30 years and counting, so you certainly cannot judge anything between me and RAS as it would require a far higher court of appeals for which you (sounding like a trial lawyer defending the indefensible) would be disqualified given your own obvious cruel and venemous disdain for the plight of another Jew, be it me or Isaac Hersh or RSC or Rav Feivel Cohen or any of the many good people inside CB and out steamrollered and crushed by RAS over the course of his well-known bullying career now going on more than eight decades (a trick he must have picked up as a young spoiled brat of a kid growing up with the "brady bunch" type kids of other gangsters in the old Brooklyn neighborhoods he was born in, unlike me who was born to two Holocaust survivors who survived HITLER y"s), sitting as you claim hundreds of miles away and not being in touch with CB much.<BR/><BR/>Evidently responding to me makes you feel macho. Ok, that and $2-, when you get to NYC, will get you a subway ride.<BR/><BR/>By the way, as for the question if RAS is true gadol or not, the jury is still out and the verdict of Jewish history will judge him, not you nor the psychophants in CB, so it does not help that you or anyone else repeats the mantra "RAS is a gadol" when so far done too much that is far from achieving that illustrious desigantaion at this time. <BR/><BR/>A gadol cannot *demand* to be gadol, nor can a gadol be "created" like a work of Stalinist art that then others are told is "great art" when it's just a walking Frankenstein, and noone calls Frankenstien a "gadol" just because he was made by magical and extraordinary powers by anyone waving the wand over him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-16162480013209202082008-06-20T14:14:00.000-04:002008-06-20T14:14:00.000-04:00CBT, Wow! I don’t know where to begin! So many new...CBT, <BR/><BR/><BR/>Wow! I don’t know where to begin! So many new posts since I was last here…<BR/><BR/><BR/>You said:<BR/>“vus nisht: You seem to think that you know everything about Yeshiva Chaim Berlin (CB), its personalities and its history and that you have the monopoly on what may or not be said on certain topics and that when you disagree with some comments, that you then have the right to call people "oisvurfs" since you presumably worship RAS like some Lubavitchers worship the Rebbe.”<BR/><BR/>I know that I do not know nearly everything about CB, and I have never claimed to be a mumche in CB or its personalities. <BR/>I did not call you an oisvurf for disagreeing with me; I called you an oisvurf for not being noheg proper kavod with RAS, a gadol b’yisroel.<BR/>I in no way worship RAS in any way, on the contrary I am often perplexed by his actions. Nevertheless, he is a gadol and would never question his decisions.<BR/><BR/><BR/>You said:<BR/>“or worse as if it was the KGB calling as happened in the Isaac Hersh case”<BR/><BR/>This is a response to all of your IH remarks:<BR/>RAS certainly made some questionable decisions in the case of the IH tragedy, but he was grossly misinformed the whole way. In the end RAS was the one who had MH sign the release documents. <BR/><BR/><BR/>You said:<BR/>“Stop wasting cyber-space with threats because they will not stop free speech.”<BR/>You also said:<BR/>“Go on threaten me like vus nisht”<BR/><BR/><BR/>I’m sorry, I do not recall threatening anybody. Care to refresh my memory?<BR/><BR/><BR/>You said:<BR/>“proof is that Brisk loves the small stream of bochurim that come from CB”<BR/><BR/>Apparently, you are not familiar with the story of RAS’s einikel who went o Brisk a few years back.<BR/><BR/><BR/>You said:<BR/>“and there is no doubt, based on the way anyone questioning RAS on the Isaac Hersh story online got pummeled, that RAS has unleashed his cyber-patrols with their cyber-attack dogs, as you see with "vus nisht”<BR/><BR/>Your paranoia is limitless. I live a few hundred miles from CB, I have not spoken to RAS in a few years, and my visits to CB have become few and far between.<BR/><BR/><BR/>You said:<BR/>“"vus nisht" an arrogant chutzpinyak he is the true believer devoid of an independent thought with a killer-instinct to defend the indefensible because it comes from RAS instead of thinking it through and debating the issues.”<BR/><BR/>An arrogant chutzpinyak just because I called you an oisvurf? So what does that make you after you thoroughly trash RAS?<BR/>As for debating the issues, if I remember correctly YOU were the one to walk away from our debate on “The boys of AM Echad” thread, with your head hung low like the bazui that you are.<BR/><BR/><BR/>You said:<BR/>“They also did not take such good care of that library and at one time some of the books in it were ruined by water damage”<BR/><BR/>It was not because they did not take care of it. It was an unfortunate event that happened because of an unforeseeable leak. How exactly were they to know it would happen? Also, until the R’ Betzalel Reifman Z”L library was built, CB simply did not have a special place for these, and did the best they could to protect them. Today that library is closely guarded and locked, and even has a special temperature control to assure that it remains well maintained.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>CBT, I understand that due to your skewed views of RAS, you cringe at the thought of people considering him to be a very successful Rosh Yeshiva and a gadol. But sadly for you, not many people share your sickening views. <BR/><BR/>I see that not much has changed since you attended CB back in the day. You always considered yourself to be smarter and better than everybody else, and you still do. That is what ultimately led to your downfall. You could have avoided it. <BR/><BR/>By trying to get back at RAS and CB you are digging yourself deeper and deeper. Is it not bad enough that all the people who used to know and respect you look down on you, and have come to know you for the bazui you really are? Now even people who have no idea who you are find you to be an oisvurf after the way you attempt to trash a gadol in a public forum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-91679590561067910922008-06-19T17:55:00.000-04:002008-06-19T17:55:00.000-04:00Judging by bray of fundie's words of Thursday, Jun...Judging by bray of fundie's words of Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:42:00 PM must surely have written an ArtScroll tome or two judging by the way he slavishly defends the indefensible and takes upon himself to be a spinmeister on behalf of his master's voice.<BR/><BR/>Bray of fundie's selective use of divrei chazal and Torahdikke notions reminds me of RYH's old saying that "tell me a chazal and I will tell you one against it"! Because quoting chazals and divrei Torah is like a two-edged sword and when you give you must expect to get back. Nothing is a one-way street and not all the roads lead to RAS's "Rome" lehavdil!<BR/><BR/>If RAS would avoid mercilessly crushing people, as he did with the open public cases of RSC and many others in the past too numerous to mention, and in very recent times going out of his way to crush the sheitel macher store on his block, Lipa and his concert, and worst of all Isaac Hersh in face of his own fellow-Gedolim opposition, all abominable cats of harshness and cruelty that go beyond the pale of HUMAN DECENCY (have you not heard of derech eretz kadma leTorah?), then there would be no need for anyone to express what he deems are "disgraceful explosions of zilzul and hotsoas shem rah."<BR/><BR/>And if RAS is indeed so great, it does not mean that he is exempt from tochacha, or that he can pick and choose where it will come from as if he was ordering his favorite tune from the band in CB on Purim, because in the days of the melachim H-shem sent nevi'im to be mochiach, and since bazman hazeh the chazal teach that the koches of nevuah have been displaced to "nashim, ketanim and meshugoyim" RAS must face the music from those who are "meshagu ledavar" against him, since he has lost the voice of the "noshim" particularly with his ezer kenegdo no longer able to help him due to her illness, and the "ketanim" in his daled amos totally freaked out by him and stunned into silence.<BR/><BR/>So nice try bray of fundie, but no cigar.<BR/><BR/>And I agree with you on one thing, let's look at the next thread on this blog...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-58224254939637470442008-06-19T14:42:00.000-04:002008-06-19T14:42:00.000-04:00Assuming readers will allow me the last word here ...Assuming readers will allow me the last word here i'd like to be mesayem this long and winding thread by being <I>no-etz sofo b'tkhiloso</I>.<BR/><BR/>I started by complaining about how IMO Gedolim hagiographies arrest the development of potential future Gedolim.<BR/><BR/>I now maintain that they erode respect for current Gedolim as well. Why? because they are formulaic and pre-scripted. It's almost as if the names of the gedolim are fungible and interchangeable. <BR/><BR/>All Tzadikim behave one particular way and any ma'aseh could've occurred by any of the many different Tzadikim. Specifically, the template demands someone soft-spoken, benign and non-confrontational. When we think Gedolim we think wouldn't-hurt-a-fly, hand rubbing, "can-I-do-you-a-khesed?" asking sweethearts in the Chofetz Chaim , Rav Yaakov Kaminetky mold. We don't think roaring lion, speaking-truth-to-power revolutionaries in the Kotzker or Satmar Rebbe molds.<BR/><BR/>But make no mistake. Tzadikim and Gedolim come in many different styles and personality types. I'm no adept at Qaballah but this probably has to do with <I>shoresh neshomas</I> rooted in the <I>sitra d'gvurah</I> or the <I>sitra d'kehsed</I>. Being human beings after all, nature and nurture play roles as well. In any event when a contemprary Godol does not "fit" the template the uncomprehending tend to attack their credentials.<BR/><BR/>I'm not going to be a historical revisionist and claim that no one from the Chaim Berlin cheder have tough, uncompromising or *PERHAPS* even manipulative streaks in their personalities. But so what? It all depend on how the human <I>koiakh</I> for confrontation and manipulation is used. If it's for selfish goals then it is sitra akhra, if it to serve the <I>Aibershter</I> it is m'sitra d'Qedusha.<BR/><BR/>There are NO intrinsically BAD middos. They are Middos=measures and if measured and calibrated precisely all can be harnessed for Qedusha. I remind those stuck in the benign template to remember Shoul HaMelekh and Rav Zekharyiah ben Avkiloos as cautionary tales.<BR/><BR/>A Goyisher Kop anti-semite (Henry Ford) said it but it still holds much truth; "Show me a man who never made an enemy and I'll show you a man who's never made anything."<BR/><BR/>To CB Tragedy: instead of ascribing malevolent malicious "wizard-like" attributes to one you acknowledge is an odom godol why not have the courage to acknowledge that ALL midos can be harnessed to Kedusha? OTC anyone who knows this Godol knows how <I>oisgearbet</I> he is. This means that wheras by little folks like us rationale is something dethroned in a palace coup mounted by our untrammeled out-of-control emotions and ego-driven agendas, by Gedolim מוחין are always שולט על המדות as certainly as בני אדם were mandated to be שולט על בעל חיים.<BR/><BR/>Instead of paranoid fantasies ascribing malevolance and mean-ness where none exist we ought to expand our horizons to appreciate a wider variety of expressions of gadlus.<BR/><BR/>This doesn't mean EVERY koton/talmid/khosid must be misdabek to EVERY Godol/Rebbe/TK. Little neshomas and mediocre talents, after all, have diverse shroshim as well. But it WILL ,hpefully, help us all avoid future disgraceful explosions of zilzul and hotsoas shem rah.The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-60913733013197011212008-06-19T12:23:00.000-04:002008-06-19T12:23:00.000-04:00This thread is a textbook lesson in מתוך שבחו אתה ...This thread is a textbook lesson in <BR/>מתוך שבחו אתה בא לספר בגנותו<BR/>It started out with such a nice title : "Big Man Good Book" and swiftly degenerated into a lashon hara fest spinning wildly out of control with no-holds-barred, no prisoners-taken, no-quarter-given nastiness.<BR/><BR/>I apologize for losing myself to this mean-spiritedness.<BR/><BR/>It is hoped that todays continuation offering <BR/><BR/>http://theantitzemach.blogspot.com/2008/06/still-not-whole-story-book-review-part.html<BR/><BR/>will turn out better with appropriate admiration given to every odom godol.The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-60173682549075348542008-06-19T10:45:00.000-04:002008-06-19T10:45:00.000-04:00"For the record, RAS has tried to exile me and kil..."For the record, RAS has tried to exile me and kill me off so many times that by now I am the walking dead, and one thing you and RAS should know, you cannot kill a dead man!"<BR/><BR/>What "power" does he have? What more can he do other than tell you not to daven there? Do you really think he's out to finish you off? Do you really think he's trying to force you to out of the neighborhood?<BR/><BR/>This sounds like <BR/>ורדף אתם קול עלה נדף ונסו מנסת חרב ונפלו ואין רדף <BR/><BR/>Either you are a masochist, or very illusioned, but something doesn't add up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-85943957486942772002008-06-19T08:41:00.000-04:002008-06-19T08:41:00.000-04:00Don't forget Tzig knew nothing about Chaim Berlin ...<EM>Don't forget Tzig knew nothing about Chaim Berlin (other than what is on Wikipedia) before someone graciously gave him the RSC papers, and he's been relishing in it since.</EM><BR/><BR/>I take umbrage to that snide comment. I have spent time in CB on Purim and other times, and have come into direct contact with many of their graduates way before Wiki and the internet. To say that I knew nothing about them is just not true.<BR/><BR/>Let me take this opportunity to thank both CBT and BOF for their educating comments here. I know how much time it takes them, and I thank them for it. All you others too.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-15875795963375738112008-06-18T23:43:00.000-04:002008-06-18T23:43:00.000-04:00"because he has delved into too much Kabalah and h..."because he has delved into too much Kabalah and he knows too much nistar for his and everyone else's good"<BR/><BR/>RAS dabbled in Kabalah? Dream on buddy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-39904187519466116692008-06-18T23:37:00.000-04:002008-06-18T23:37:00.000-04:00TRAGEDY, how recent was your clash with CB, and wh...TRAGEDY, how recent was your clash with CB, and why can't you move on with life like most other institutional victims? <BR/><BR/>"For the record, RAS has tried to exile me and kill me off so many times..."<BR/><BR/>Why didn't you just avoid him, like anyone with a brain would do after the first time?<BR/><BR/>"Exile"<BR/><BR/>?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-71038823441621303982008-06-18T23:32:00.000-04:002008-06-18T23:32:00.000-04:00"I am not ready to tell my full story yet, if ever..."I am not ready to tell my full story yet, if ever, because the topics of these threads and discussions never was and most definitely is not about me"<BR/><BR/>I'm sure Tzig will gladly lend you his soap box for a few minutes to have your opportunity for the therapeutic venting you so desperately crave. Don't forget Tzig knew nothing about Chaim Berlin (other than what is on Wikipedia) before someone graciously gave him the RSC papers, and he's been relishing in it since.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-52280215085550303742008-06-18T23:25:00.000-04:002008-06-18T23:25:00.000-04:00bray of fundie says: "Well you may hate him but at...bray of fundie says: "Well you may hate him but at least you respect his prowess."<BR/><BR/>Umm, to date I do not believe I have used the word "hate" in regard to RAS so please stop using it. <BR/><BR/>It is more complicated than that. <BR/><BR/>And sure, when did I say that RAS is in any way less than a giant? <BR/><BR/>For all his recent open and obvious failures of judgment, he is a true velt's gaon in Torah and Avoda and I have never criticised his Torah and Avoda. <BR/><BR/>I just feel that the Isaac Hersh fiasco was the last straw (it broke my proverbial camel's back and I am in turmoil over what he did. Totally unthinkable.) And of his notorious temper tantrums, or "rampages" as they are called by his talmidim in yeshiva and screaming his head off at pupils, and it was those rampages that used to drive the even-keeled RSC up the wall as they were no way to madrich a new young dor in a bais medrash. <BR/><BR/>But now RAS does not need to rampage so much within CB because he has cowed and intimidated everyone there, so his natural instinct to rampage in his old age, like an old bull elephant not held back by his ezer kenegdo since she is not well, he takes it out on the world and that is very dangerous for anyone within firing range of him, like parents, talmdim, and balebatim who don't want to be treated the way he treated RSC or Isaac Hersh 30 years later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-79445595490285481012008-06-18T23:12:00.000-04:002008-06-18T23:12:00.000-04:00To the two anonymous posters who ask:"Your comment...To the two anonymous posters who ask:<BR/><BR/>"Your comments on the Clarbach post were pretty mild compared to this. What did he do to you in the last 6 months that turned you so bitter?"<BR/><BR/>6 months? Try a lifetime. And for now, while I admit to throwing in a line or two about me personally, I am not ready to tell my full story yet, if ever, because the topics of these threads and discussions never was and most definitely is not about me or any of the posters. Time will tell. But of course, the critics and the CB true believers, many who worship RAS like some Lubavitchers worship the Rebbe as "God in a guf" will have caniptions. So be it. Personally I believe with all my heart that my cyber pen is mightier than RAS's pseudo-sword/s.<BR/><BR/>"Mr. Objective slips up and admits it's all personal, how surprising."<BR/><BR/>You are mixing things up. There is the RSC fiasco, nothing to do with me, and I tried to bend over backwards to see and EXPLAIN it from RAS, RYH and the CB perspective and why CB acted like they did, otherwise how else can the 30 year war between RAS and RSC be understood. If you or anyone has anything better to tell then do so, but making baby-ish comments from the peanut gallery adds nothing to anyone's understanding of these grave matters.<BR/><BR/>Then there is RAS's role in the recent Isaac Hersh fiasco that really opened up all the old wounds that many people carry with them aside form letting many people get a look at what is really going on here. And for anyone concerned, who may have had first hand contact with the letters of RAS against the sheitel store and his signing on to the fake Lipa ban, the Isaac Hersh story caused many others, not me, to release all sorts of additional documents from the RSC disaster online for the world to read and download. I have made extra copies of everything myself in case a Bais Din needs to see who I am dealing with.<BR/><BR/>And now we have posts about youth at risk and RSF which all relate one way or another to RAS as a pre-eminent American Agudah Torah leader. <BR/><BR/>Finally, there is everyone's personal life, including Tzig the owner of this blog and why he runs it and the way he chooses to do it, that allows for personal expression. You can't make all the people happy all the time, and when one writes one must bite the bullets, so that as the heat increases to uncomfortbale levels for some people, some will start personal insults and curses and others agree that the words are accurate. Let the chips fall where they may, since, hey, you can't make everyone happy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1712006142624598852008-06-18T22:54:00.000-04:002008-06-18T22:54:00.000-04:00Phew!!! Sorry CB tragedy. I'll try to back off. ...Phew!!! Sorry CB tragedy. I'll try to back off. looks like I touched a really raw nerve.<BR/><BR/>Pardon, but where genoi, did I threaten you?<BR/><BR/>You've called me a naive idiot among other things all I did was insist that an expunged comment you nade was out-of-bounds. Lakewood guy, who admires your comments, agrees with me!<BR/><BR/>I commend you for dropping that line of attack. Please resist future temptations to pursue it. That is not a threat that is a polite request fueled by (IMO) righteous indignation and a sense of fair play.<BR/><BR/><I>in the crevices of his ever-alert mind, </I><BR/><BR/>Well you may hate him but at least you respect his prowess.The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-10112515525759133272008-06-18T22:42:00.000-04:002008-06-18T22:42:00.000-04:00"For the record, RAS has tried to exile me and kil..."For the record, RAS has tried to exile me and kill me off so many times that by now I am the walking dead, and one thing you and RAS should know, you cannot kill a dead man!"<BR/><BR/>Mr. Objective slips up and admits it's all personal, how surprising.<BR/><BR/>To Bray: Wouldn't Dovid be better than Chaim?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-66988179644772265062008-06-18T22:35:00.000-04:002008-06-18T22:35:00.000-04:00>For the record, RAS has tried to exile me and kil...>For the record, RAS has tried to exile me and kill me off so many times that by now I am the walking dead, and one thing you and RAS should know, you cannot kill a dead man!<BR/><BR/>Your comments on the Clarbach post were pretty mild compared to this. What did he do to you in the last 6 months that turned you so bitter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-49920804561907513692008-06-18T22:21:00.000-04:002008-06-18T22:21:00.000-04:00By the way, in case anyone missed the recent Wedne...By the way, in case anyone missed the recent Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:31:00 AM post by an anonymous, not by me, at the eralier Wednesday, June 04, 2008 thread of "The Boys Of Am Echad" I am reposting it here because of its EXTREME relevance. (In particular, I wonder who that Gadol on the Moetzes was who called RAS a "rotzyach" is, is he also a "lowlife" and a an "oisvurf" and how about all the rabbonim and askonim who finally woke up and smlled RAs's coffee, are they also "farbissen" and full of "loshen hora" and whatnot against RAS becaue all of this is out in the public domain once and for all???): <BR/><BR/><BR/>Several points are being missed here. There is a klal “Ein cholkim kavod lorav bemakom chillul Hashem”. RAS is guilty of making some bad judgments here. The horrible part is that the research about Jamaica had not been done well, and the original decision may well have been flawed and irresponsible due to lack of data. However, there were numerous efforts to provide this information to him, and he rejected them. Throughout the efforts to rescue IH, when other gedolim were already involved and pleading the case, he maintained staunch resistance. This went to the point of another gadol of the Mo’etzes calling RAS (directly) a “rotzayach”. The original mistake might be dismissed as an error, but the akshonus of keeping the status despite the evidence and pleas from numerous others (including Rabbonim, askonim, and others) is not defensible. This is the bitter taste regarding RAS that lingers on.<BR/><BR/>As far as daas Torah is concerned, not everything that a gadol says is automatically daas Torah. If a gadol asks to pass the salt, is that daas Torah? Not every decision qualifies as daas Torah. Any decision that involves other sources of influence outside of Torah cannot be considered daas Torah. Whether this is a bias based on relationship, money, secular knowledge and education is irrelevant. The input to a decision must be 100% Torah to qualify as daas Torah. From the involvement RAS had here, it was clear that other factors played a role, though I would not pass judgment. That is enough to disqualify his decisions as daas Torah.<BR/><BR/>Yes, mistakes happen. However, to defend mistakes is no longer a “shogeg”; it is a “mayzid”.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-1414142171200821962008-06-18T22:05:00.000-04:002008-06-18T22:05:00.000-04:00ym2300can I try? :)ym2300<BR/><BR/>can I try? :)The Bray of Fundiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552912825252813495noreply@blogger.com