tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post7404534601182141446..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Pick 'N' Choose ChassidusHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-58859865722898579042008-08-07T19:52:00.000-04:002008-08-07T19:52:00.000-04:00The menorah b'frat and lots of other things are pe...The menorah b'frat and lots of other things are personal gifts from negidim.Avremelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13878791771751277969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-9859467741469176042007-12-11T17:48:00.000-05:002007-12-11T17:48:00.000-05:00To clarify:I never said that you were revolting be...To clarify:<BR/>I never said that you were revolting because satmar gives tzedoka. I rather said that your composed thought (post) is revolting because you accused the Satmar rebbe of 'gouging out the eyes of chassidim'. Your proof? the fact that r' aron lights a big menora. a feilichen chanuka.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64449449119767793822007-12-10T22:43:00.000-05:002007-12-10T22:43:00.000-05:00To summarize:N said I'm revolting because Satmar g...To summarize:<BR/><BR/>N said I'm revolting because Satmar gives a lot of Tzedokoh. I guess they give alot to others so a 5 ft Menorah is tit for tat. OK.<BR/><BR/>The Natachalnik ( U N ) says that Aron Teitelbaum is Nosi HaDor so he's entitled. <BR/><BR/>OK, then, I'll know the rules for next time....Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-21606201435823148072007-12-10T18:03:00.000-05:002007-12-10T18:03:00.000-05:00There was a story with the Ruzhiner that he was ou...There was a story with the Ruzhiner that he was outside one cold night with all his chassidim saying Kidush levanah. while he was taking his time in his prayers, some of the people there were beginning to wonder "the rebbe is in his fancy warm boots and warm coat but what about us, we are freezing to death. Why won't the rebbe feel for us, finnish kidush levanah and come inside?!"<BR/><BR/>Finally the Ruzhiner was done and started walking towered the shul. as he walked they noticed that there were red tracks behind the Ruzhiner, blood prints form the Ruzhiner’s feet.<BR/><BR/>the boots which they thought were keeping the Ruzhiner warm were in fact missing its soles and the Ruzhiner bare feet were on the icy ground!Lucky Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14975656169510094458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-25907074886706380452007-12-10T16:02:00.000-05:002007-12-10T16:02:00.000-05:00How in the world did this post evolve beyond the l...How in the world did this post evolve beyond the last line? Men fargint nisht Tzigele giving someone a Chanukah present...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-19386914237893941582007-12-10T14:55:00.000-05:002007-12-10T14:55:00.000-05:00okI chap the joke now. Ha Ha.ok<BR/><BR/>I <EM>chap</EM> the joke now. Ha Ha.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-28479201874433837572007-12-10T14:53:00.000-05:002007-12-10T14:53:00.000-05:00Tzig,How much more stuff can you "write off" from ...Tzig,<BR/><BR/>How much more stuff can you "write off" from raboiseychem-nesieichem because you have a kashya oyf a maase ? What he wrote is crystal clear, but what he did is not - neither of us been there, right ?<BR/><BR/>But if you're so sure that he didn't mean it, nor did Sanzer Ruv mean it, why do you insist that Satmarer Ruv did mean it ? Maybe there is a secret understanding as well ?<BR/><BR/>All that aside, why are you asking questions about a Nosi of our generation ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-74253022182658516432007-12-10T11:49:00.000-05:002007-12-10T11:49:00.000-05:00I'm not Hungarian, so please help me out here: how...I'm not Hungarian, so please help me out here: how large would the china cabinet have to be to hold that menorah?<BR/><BR/>P.S. I love U.N.'s post, not least for the way he uses buzzwords we are all familiar with to make his point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-42659029849203805762007-12-10T11:39:00.000-05:002007-12-10T11:39:00.000-05:00I didn't pick, you Zaraze, All I said was that you...I didn't pick, you <EM>Zaraze,</EM> All I said was that you have no idea what he meant, and the fact that he continued his Hanhogoh after he made that statement is proof positive. He continued to say Maamorim Bederech Chabad as well as all other Rebbishe customs. Were he to believe that the Derech HaBesht is no more would he do that? <BR/><BR/>You're the one that brought the Sanzer Rov into this discussion, since you still have nothing to say that's actualy relevant to this discussion, hence the need to go off on tangents hoping that I'll take the bait thus sounding silly and hateful.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-48364214021047747852007-12-10T11:30:00.000-05:002007-12-10T11:30:00.000-05:00Tzig,Double-check with your mafshi'a if it's cool ...Tzig,<BR/><BR/>Double-check with your mafshi'a if it's cool to pick on Kopyster - after all, he's Beis haRav. And he meant exactly what he wrote - otherwise he wouldn't write it, would he ?<BR/><BR/>What does Sanzer rov have to do with bekisher and menoras ? (he probably did have a very nice white bekeshe, and also probably not a kezays mini-menorah Tzig-style, but that's not the point). You're trying to make following "points" : <BR/><BR/>1. That fancy menorahs and lustriuos bekishes is how silly R' Aron defines Derech haBaal Shem Tov<BR/>2. That he's not using / receiving them in a holy way of hidur mitzva but has some sort of insidious thing in mind that in your goaty eyes contradicts the Ways of Chassidus as you were taught by your mafshiim.<BR/>3. Unlike the spiritual Rebbes who are arayngeshtelt in a guf whose actions aren't to be questions and who are pure rochnius, R' Aron and his band of kuglfressers know nothing from Chassidus and the proof to that is that his uncle himself said that he forgot the Derech. <BR/>4. To add insult to injury, R' Aron makes a Brisker droshe how even though this ways of Baal Shem Tov are forgotten, he can still have himself a nice menorah and a bekishe because simple Jews are putting Rabeinu Tam tefilin.<BR/><BR/>If those aren't the point you were making, please clarify. <BR/><BR/>In any case, I think I addressed exactly the questions you "asked" - why does he need them and where his "heter" is. Or is the answer incomplete in your eyes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-74461874318153099402007-12-10T11:27:00.000-05:002007-12-10T11:27:00.000-05:00I don't see a man looking at a menorah; I see a ma...I don't see a man looking at a menorah; I see a man staring at his gaavah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-73029172273289834882007-12-10T10:35:00.000-05:002007-12-10T10:35:00.000-05:00U NYou don't expect us to believe that you think t...U N<BR/><BR/>You don't expect us to believe that you think that Satmar is Moleh Tzaddikim and that therefore the 5 ft Menorah is Kodesh Kodoshim?<BR/><BR/>Especially Satmar Aronim.<BR/><BR/>What a silly excuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-3161679465173119622007-12-10T07:42:00.000-05:002007-12-10T07:42:00.000-05:00The Hiskashres (find favor)to the rebbe in chabad ...The Hiskashres (find favor)to the rebbe in chabad for the last 80 years was not by giving him a nice Menorah to enable him to be mehader bmitzvos chanika the present was for them a rare sefer no mattar the cost of it and sad to say that a good book that Chasidim didn't want to be in the same room with ,was accepted with gratditute and from reading theese Treifene books the Derech Habasht was transformed from a derech in avodes hashem to a modern activist orgenization,that the only conection I see in Tzieg post of Menorahs and derech Habasht A freilichen ChanikaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-6931562277533026862007-12-10T07:33:00.000-05:002007-12-10T07:33:00.000-05:00This Snag couldn’t agree more with HT. Next time t...This Snag couldn’t agree more with HT. Next time they come collecting for Satmar, I'll think of the menorah and donate appropriately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-55918480470775062832007-12-10T04:34:00.000-05:002007-12-10T04:34:00.000-05:00U.NFor the record:I like your writing.It's deep an...U.N<BR/>For the record:I like your writing.It's deep and makes me think, it's a breath of fresh air in this blog, where all the Lubab think exactly the same and all the snags are very similar and few in between who are talking divrei ta'am.<BR/>Don't chap hispa'ales from the Tzigs' crude insults, he is interested only in yes men or snags that he can manipulate to look bad.What he fears most is the blogger who can make a case.<BR/>With all the above it does not neccesarily mean I agree with all you say, it is though good food for thoughtAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-76057826238636314122007-12-10T00:16:00.000-05:002007-12-10T00:16:00.000-05:00i think the consesus here is not in agreement with...i think the consesus here is not in agreement with tsig. if one believes in his rebbe he also believes that his rebbe has a reason for everything he does including the menora he uses anbd therefore they would only be more happy etc.<BR/>i must commend "whats revolting? said " - he also disagreed but he did it very mentshlech, without insults and harsh words ( unlike some others veda"l ). halevay oyf alemen gezogt gevornAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-9518455138198328102007-12-09T22:34:00.000-05:002007-12-09T22:34:00.000-05:00Let me commend you however on doing a great job of...Let me commend you however on doing a great job of evading the question and just blowing smoke.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-61036942690285754582007-12-09T22:33:00.000-05:002007-12-09T22:33:00.000-05:001) The Kopuster hut nisht dos gemeint as was prove...1) The Kopuster <EM>hut nisht dos gemeint</EM> as was proven time and time again, but I don't expect you to realize that. After all, the Kopuster became a Misnaged after that, right?<BR/><BR/>Fool. <BR/><BR/>I'm sure the Sanzer Rov had such Menorahs and Bekishes too.....Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-19981093220151841932007-12-09T20:05:00.000-05:002007-12-09T20:05:00.000-05:00The nice menorah itself is chassidus in the sense ...The nice menorah itself is chassidus in the sense of "lifnim meshuras hadin" and doing things in a specially nice way.<BR/><BR/>The act of giving menorah to Nosi haDor beGuf Gashmi is Chassidus in the sense of "hiskashrus" and "neshomo deatzilus" and "deoikir rabonon".<BR/><BR/>Satmarer Ruv z"l didn't invent the "nishtakach Toiras haBaal Shem". He was quoting what Tzanser Ruv and one of Raboiseichem-Nesieichem, R' Shlomo Zalman Schneerson of Chabad-Kopys' wrote many decades before him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-35628000192160498252007-12-09T18:40:00.000-05:002007-12-09T18:40:00.000-05:00I never questioned the fact that this is a Tayveh ...I never questioned the fact that this is a <EM>Tayveh</EM> of the rich man, I just wish to know why this has to be used?<BR/><BR/>The notion of this being part of the <EM>Hiddur Mitzvah</EM> was <EM>shlogged op</EM> earlier in the comment section, so what other reason remains.<BR/><BR/>מוז מען זאגען ווי די קאמענטער "אייד רעטהער נאט סיי" האט פריער געזאגט, That this is a cultural thing, Hungarian to be exact, and this is like a fine set of bone China, and has nothing to do with Chassidus.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-18421739700761778452007-12-09T17:09:00.000-05:002007-12-09T17:09:00.000-05:00Tzig - you haven't understood a word then. Nowhere...Tzig - you haven't understood a word then. Nowhere did I say that you said that this money should've gone to Orimleit. Instead, I was driving towards saying that this tayveh that was fulfulled here - if indeed it was a gift - is one of the best tayves a yid can strive for. Not just is it a hidur of "Ze Keili", but it's underscoring the tremendous shaychus that a Chosid has towards Nosi haDor.<BR/><BR/>Your latter sentence makes no sense at all. Somewhere in your head you enumerated all (?) groups and ideologies and derived some silly profile out of kleinkeppige assumptions. And what makes you think that I like myself ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-67670195810053947512007-12-09T16:38:00.000-05:002007-12-09T16:38:00.000-05:00I did try, it's just that my head started to spin ...I did try, it's just that my head started to spin so I stopped. You seem to have - again - misconstrued what I said, and you built a whole <EM>Shittah</EM> based on that. Nowhere did I say that this money should've gone to Orimeleit. I understand that the guy that bought it for him fulfilled a strong <EM>Tayveh</EM> of his by buying it.<BR/><BR/>I also don't understand where the jab at Breslov came in here. It doesn't fit the profile I have on you. I guess that leaves almost no group or ideology that you like, only yourself, really.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-38309638381157929242007-12-09T16:31:00.000-05:002007-12-09T16:31:00.000-05:00Tzig, did you try reading it ? Sometimes it works ...Tzig, did you try reading it ? Sometimes it works wonders. Slow people should read twice.<BR/><BR/>For the record, much more time was spent writing breslave sipurei maasiyos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-22514354668154931012007-12-09T16:01:00.000-05:002007-12-09T16:01:00.000-05:00U N די גרעסטע בראך איז אז זיי האבען דיר אלץ פארטיי...U N <BR/>די גרעסטע בראך איז אז זיי האבען דיר אלץ פארטיייגער<BR/><BR/>Never has so much time been spent to write such gibberish. If I could only make sense of it maybe I'd bother to respond.Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-2624617768369019972007-12-09T15:43:00.000-05:002007-12-09T15:43:00.000-05:00שעיִר, האָסט דו טאַקע אַ גוטע קשיא געפרעגט. אבל קד...שעיִר, האָסט דו טאַקע אַ גוטע קשיא געפרעגט. אבל קדמך חבירך אחיך "פֿעיִלד מעסײַאַ" ימ"ש - לפּחות שנה שלימה פֿאַר דיר - הוא פוער פה בכל מיני נבלה בענין רבני סאַטמאַר וכליהם. הוא גופא ראיה שזה ענין חשוב - אם חיצונים גדולים כאלה אין להם מנוחה מזה - כן ירבה וכן יפרוץ. <BR/>בכל זאת, בכל דור ודור עומדים תלמידיו של בלעם ומחפּשים "יושר" . יונוס ויומברוס טענו כהנה על משה ואַהרן. בטח שרבינו הקדוש גם כן היה נשאל מאיזה צדוקי - היתכן הוא אוכל חזרת והעם מדוכים ברש אין כל. וגם את הבעל שם טוב הקדוש וכמעט כל תלמידיו רדפו בזה - מאין זאת לכם לקחת פדיונים גדולים מבני כפר עובדי אדמה שמפרנסים בדוחק גדול. <BR/><BR/>די ערשטע קשיאַ איז "פֿאָרװאָס דאַרפֿט איהר". קודם כל, יש מצוה כללית "זה ק-לי ואנוהו". כל אחד לפי הבנתו, יכלתו ומעמדו בעולם. בלע"ר , ר' אַהרן מנהיג כמו מאה אלף יהודים שומרי תו"ם. רובם הם לא "כזית ייִדן" אבל יהודים מוסרים נפש לקיים דבר גדול ודבר קטן ביתר שאת ,כפי הבנתם. והבנתם בענין הידור הוא כפשוטו - שײן מאַכן. דאָס איז די שײנקײט. "מוכר את כסותו" - מחבר זאָגט אַז מען פֿאַרקױפֿט דעם לעצטין בעקעשע צו קױפֿין חנוכח לעכט. װאוּ אַזױ איז מען מקייִם דער סעיִף אַז סי'דאָ געלט ? אַזױ! <BR/> פרש"י נשיא הוא הכל. ירובעל בדורו כמשה בדורו בדן בדורו כאהרן בדורו יפתח בדורו כשמואל בדורו ללמדך שאפילו קל שבקלין ונתמנה פרנס על הצבור הרי הוא כאביר שבאבירים . ר' אהרן ט"ב הוא הנשיא שבדור הזה. בהעלותו את הנרות כל העם השרים למשמעתו שם אתו עמו ממש. ואם תשאל "אױב עס קומצ'עך עהם ?" - אױב נישט עהם, װעמ דען ? טאַקע אמת, עהר האָט זיך נישט מפרש געװען אַז עהר איז אַ גאָט ר"ל, עצמות ומהות אַרײַנגעשטעלט אין אַ גוף, וישר כחו פֿאר דאָס. קײַן גאָט איז עהר נישט, אָבער אַ משולח מטעם סאַטמאַר אין הימעל איז עהר יאָ.<BR/> איך מתקשר תלמיד אל רבו ? אמר רבא דרחים רבנן הוו ליה בנין רבנן דמוקיר רבנן הוו ליה חתנוותא רבנן דדחיל מרבנן הוא גופיה הוי צורבא מרבנן .אין לי ספק שכל אחד מחסידיו הנגידים היה רץ לקנות לו מנורה של זהב נײנצעהן אמות הױך, עם ביקשו זאת - ולכבוד גדול יחשב להם. חסדי השם כי לו תמנו, ויש נגיד ויכול גם שתים בסאַטמאַר. קײנער האָט קײַן גאַטשעס נישט פֿאַר'משכנ'ט. אָבער אַ טהעאָרעטיק װאָס װײסט פֿון "התקשרות" נאָר פֿון ספרים און קײנמאָל מיט אן עהרלעכע ייד שײכות נישט געהאַט צו דעם העט פֿערשטעהען װאוּ אַ גױ צו בארטאַנוראַ. <BR/> די צװײטע קשיאַ איז - װאוּ אַזױ מעגט עהר, װאָס איז זײַן היתר. לא נהירנא עם תיקשי על כל הנשיאים או רק אותם שלא "מתאלהים". יכול שר' אהרן למד מקל וחומר - מה המנורה שבואַשינגטאָן אַצל װײַט האַוז שהיא פּסולה לכל הדעות, ונבנית בדמי וכו' , ואין בה תועלת כל כך, ומדליקה עם הארץ דאורײַתא ודרבנן - על אחת כמה וכמה ר' אהרן'ס שהוא תלמיד חכם, ומנורתו כשירה, ונקנית בדמים כשירים. או תוכל לומר שגדולה עבירה לשמה וחישב ר' אהרן בליבו שהוא ,נשיא הדור, מנהיל קהילה נאה דלא פּסיקי פומהון מגירסא, יומם ולילה לא ישבותו במאנרא ובוומ"ב ובב"פּ ובמאָנסי און װער װײסט װאוּ נאָך, גם בעניני צדקה וחסד אין דומה להם, וכסף שכר לימוד בעיניהם לאין יחשב, ומושכים ידיהם מקחת כסף מרשעים בפּומבי. וכדי שלא יתבטל הבחירה, עשו לר' אהרן מנורה גדולה ובקיטשע לבן יפה מאד לישתזב מעינא בישא , ולקיים "מתוך שלא לשמה" .<BR/>דער הײליגע זײדע רבי ר' בער זי"ע <BR/>פֿרעגט אױף אבות - מה בין תלמידיו של אברהם לתלמידיו של בלעם - למה לא שואל "מה בין אברהם לבלעם" ? תירוץ הוא שכמעט אי אפשר להבחין בין בלעם לאברהם כי שניהם מתראים כצדיקים יסודי עולם עורכים רעביסטעװע ימין ושמאל לוקחים פּדיונות דורשים חסידות; אלא מתוך דברי תלמידיהם תדעו נאמנה מי הוא מי. היות וכל הבלאָגערס אנשי דמים ומרמה אפּיקורסים גלוים מופלגים בשינאה נוראה לרבש"ע, ליהדות בכלל ולסאַטמאַר בפרט, ברור כשמש תלמידי מי הם.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com