tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post7498682722355724514..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: Lonely Men in Jaffa (Part 2)Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-33604743360405608982010-06-14T21:28:47.510-04:002010-06-14T21:28:47.510-04:00anon 547 (and PLEASE give urselves some id, its di...anon 547 (and PLEASE give urselves some id, its difficult to converse with so many anons)<br />i know what i'm talking about. and, no, i won't explain myself (don't forget my self esteem) at least not until the AH that quoted halacha explains what that all has got to do with picsleonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-50555190287074927192010-06-11T17:47:20.704-04:002010-06-11T17:47:20.704-04:00Leo,
your self esteem is boruch hashem healthy,but...Leo,<br />your self esteem is boruch hashem healthy,but accusing people of Amaretzies is not a way to explain yourselfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-77062992795490016672010-06-10T21:39:03.431-04:002010-06-10T21:39:03.431-04:00Anon 8:13
not sure about those issues; my problem ...Anon 8:13<br />not sure about those issues; my problem here was that Anon 11:32 quoted Halacha as if the pic thing was sourced there at all.<br /><br />This is common practice among Amei Aretz (sorry) and falsifiers of Torah (sorry again) - dragging sources from all over to look good, when in fact none are related to matter at hand.leonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-45117831402282051702010-06-10T20:13:19.626-04:002010-06-10T20:13:19.626-04:00Leo
is your problem that pictures are being used? ...Leo<br />is your problem that pictures are being used? or chasidim are too much Rebbe Centered?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-23239143981831645802010-06-10T15:56:02.710-04:002010-06-10T15:56:02.710-04:00Anonymous 11:32 AM
Not one of your points is rele...Anonymous 11:32 AM<br /><br />Not one of your points is relevant to the discussion. You could have simply said there are such-and-such Simans in Shulchan Aruch regarding Hilchot K'vod Rav. But there's no mention of pics there :(leonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-17806451392909793172010-06-10T11:32:38.529-04:002010-06-10T11:32:38.529-04:00Anon,
"Every home and business has the Rebbe&...Anon,<br />"Every home and business has the Rebbe's picture. Why so many?"<br />In my Yidishkiet according to chazal,Judaism is extremely centered around a Rebbe, to pasken a simple halacha in the vicinity of your Rebbe as long he is alive, the penalty is fatal,The Rebbe has to be visited on every Holiday and Rosh Chodesh etc... The Gemorah said that it is dangerous to live close to your Rebbe since its impossible to satisfy the halachic demands of Kvoid Raibo, <br />Our ignorant brothers love to jump with accusation of Ikrim, Idol worshipping, on issues that their Fargerbte or Goish Kop cant graspAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-56827058333909502232010-06-09T20:34:07.767-04:002010-06-09T20:34:07.767-04:00http://matzav.com/audio-dr-roberts-rabbi-aaron-kot...http://matzav.com/audio-dr-roberts-rabbi-aaron-kotler-is-an-impressive-talentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-69164529500489223212010-06-09T18:48:00.772-04:002010-06-09T18:48:00.772-04:00Lubavitchism, facism
dictatorship, world leadershi...Lubavitchism, facism<br />dictatorship, world leadership<br />Rebbeism, mysticism<br />kool-aids, yechi berrets<br /><br />surpression of self-expression<br />mind made dumb by the herd syndrome<br />too much bittul of self belittle<br />no gall behind the eighth ball (vedal)<br /><br />got a pic on the tick-tick<br />got it stashed on my dash<br />hooka in the succah<br />benedictine, liver squeeky-cleenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-9452684429153140262010-06-09T17:19:11.954-04:002010-06-09T17:19:11.954-04:00Just tell us one thing the Rebbe did or tried to d...Just tell us one thing the Rebbe did or tried to do for any of the causes you mentioned!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-12943557627743446662010-06-09T17:19:11.955-04:002010-06-09T17:19:11.955-04:00Anon3
The photo obsession is an expression of an ...Anon3<br /><br />The photo obsession is an expression of an obsession over one particular person; the degree of that obsession (one of its manifestatio is the photo thing) is just part of a larger picture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-62279335874521532532010-06-09T16:04:23.770-04:002010-06-09T16:04:23.770-04:00http://www.shturem.net/index.php?section=gallery&a...http://www.shturem.net/index.php?section=gallery&id=302&lang=hebrewAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-76391325970927477552010-06-09T15:36:59.136-04:002010-06-09T15:36:59.136-04:00"the way Lubabs obsess over the photo is unpr..."the way Lubabs obsess over the photo is unprecedented in Judaism, unlhealthy and pathetic. If you want a picture of a tzadik, get one of Reb Nuchmkeh or the Chafetz Chaim."<br />Says who? You? Well, for one Photography was not invented until the mid nineteenth century so your statement about photos of the Rebbe or any other Tzadik being "unprecedented in Judaisim" is kind of ridiculas.The "Diefication" of roshei hayishivos in contempery times is definitely "unprecedented in Jewish history".The term "Das Torah" is also "unprecedented in Jewish history" and is a recent phenomenon except for the name of a sefer.The picture of the Chofetz Chaim is not authentic.When someone approached the Chofetz Chaim with the request to photograph him,he pointed out the town shochet and said "er kooked ois ve an erleche Yis.Nemt foon em".There are many recent phenomenon that are going in the frum world today that are dangerous and "unprecedented in Jewish history".Need I say more?Anon3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-84895625942093176222010-06-09T14:00:26.461-04:002010-06-09T14:00:26.461-04:00the way Lubabs obsess over the photo is unpreceden...the way Lubabs obsess over the photo is unprecedented in Judaism, unlhealthy and pathetic. If you want a picture of a tzadik, get one of Reb Nuchmkeh or the Chafetz Chaim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64792480191959074682010-06-09T11:19:16.125-04:002010-06-09T11:19:16.125-04:00The first possek that claimed to have a problem wi...The first possek that claimed to have a problem with Photos, was Reb Yonassan Eibshutz, He only said it in a derosha,(Yaruth Devash)but most poskim and the majority of Charadie Jewry had pohotos of their families for generations, their are some Rebbes that abstained from photos for mystical reasons. Its intersting to note that in Eibhitz/Emden polemic books they write that Talmidie Reb Yonesen had photos of their Rebbe in their pockets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-42550324397182402672010-06-09T10:49:26.889-04:002010-06-09T10:49:26.889-04:00"I have no problem with the Rebbe ZT"L. ..."I have no problem with the Rebbe ZT"L. But you'll never get me to worship a photo".<br /><br />Lets get this straight.No sane,main stream Lubavitcher "worships" a picture of the Rebbe.<br />This whole picture bit is not only prevelent in Lubavitch.You go into most frum homes nowdays and you will find giant sized pictures of Roshei Yeshivos,Rabeim,and gedolim.<br />To tell the truth I would rather have my children, even in the formitive years of infancy, see pictures of tzadikim and gedolim at every posibble opportunity,then the shmutz found on videos, pictures of pritzus on TV and so called "role models" which continues to pervade our modern day environment and we and more specfically our children are bombarded with this shmutz twenty four hours a day.(run on sentence).<br />We live in a society where extreme measures are required to prevent us and our children from the decadence that permeates the very air we breathe.<br />Perhaps in the "alter heim" when there was no internet,TV,newspapers etc. and to a large degree our zeides and bubbes lived in the sheltered life of the shtetl there was no need for pictures and other measures.There was a clear deleniation beetween us and "them".<br />Now however extreme times need extreme measures even though they may seem over the top.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />es and other measures.There was a clear deleniation beetween us and "them".<br />Now however Extreme times need extreme measures.Anon3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-79907929052709861792010-06-09T10:44:39.993-04:002010-06-09T10:44:39.993-04:00The picture of the Rebbe.
I don't think it bel...The picture of the Rebbe.<br />I don't think it belongs in a shul , but otherwise if the picture can turn Jews on to Judaism why not and if it can be a force to see the panim of a zaddik, why not ?<br />Jews in Lita were very restrained about pictures, but even so they had pictures of men like the GRA, Sir Moses Montefiore, NETZIV on their walls. The Chofetz Chaim had 3 pictures in his drawer(reported by rav Shmuel pliskin) among them rav Nochume of grodna and the Oshmener Zaddik RAv Mordchele.<br />In the US Hebrew Pub Co sold photos of the Rav hakolle suitable for framing. Sefardim have always included pictures of mechabrim in their seforim. And even some ashkenazim in days of yore did that I havea early 19th cen sefer from the rebbe Rav Ronoson with his picture in the front.<br />Yes we need to make sure that we are not mevaze the tsura of a rav , and that we stay within halacha , but the tsura of a zaddik is another aid in yiras shomayim .schneurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-19657306842370889142010-06-09T10:38:38.129-04:002010-06-09T10:38:38.129-04:00I have not followed the story very closely. BUt I ...I have not followed the story very closely. BUt I thought Orthodox Jews follow Halacha, why not ask rav Elyoshev what he thinks, do the same with Rabbi Vozner, Rav Ovadya Yosef, R. Moshe Leib Landau,Rabbi Stainman, Rabbi Lipkowitz, Rabbi ZN Goldberg, and follow their psak. If the govt is faced with a psak from these people chances area reasonable solution can be presented. But the groups demonstarting are not interested in psak and neithr is the Israeli govt. .The Brisker rav said that if the anti govt demonstartors are wilder in Jslm than they are lets say in Moscow or London than they are modeh in Zionism as they know their fellow Jews will not harm them or their jail sentence will have better learning than in their yeshivas ...schneurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-46562374527360677192010-06-09T08:06:01.212-04:002010-06-09T08:06:01.212-04:00I have the deepest regard for the Rebbe ZT"L....I have the deepest regard for the Rebbe ZT"L. However, the extent to which the Rebbe's picture is used is beyond extremes. Here are some examples:<br /><br />A photo is typically placed under the pillow holding the baby at a bris, making it as if the rebbe is sandek.<br /><br />The minhag Chabad is to not have any decorations in the Sukkah - except for a posul esrog and the Rebbe's picture.<br /><br />The photo is typically used as a segula, as it appears to have been with SMR in court.<br /><br />Every home and business has the Rebbe's picture. Why so many?<br /><br />There are some shuls that have a portrait of the Rebbe prominently displayed. Halacha is that one may not daven in front of a picture, since it appears that one is bowing to it or praying to it. I once found a portrait in front of the shul, and I moved it to the side to follow halacha. Several Chabadniks were enraged. Why?<br /><br />I have no problem with the Rebbe ZT"L. But you'll never get me to worship a photo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-90875640377718167772010-06-08T23:40:49.023-04:002010-06-08T23:40:49.023-04:00"loi saasa lachuu pasal vchol teminu
some ho..."loi saasa lachuu pasal vchol teminu <br />some how there is a difference from fantasizing in your mind and making use of a man MADE picture"<br />Are you guys nuts? Since when is "Eienecho roois es pnei moirecho" avoideh zorah C"V? Since when is emunas tzadikim considered A"Z? Are you guys writing some new Shulchon Oirech?<br />Go home and take the pictures of the Tzadikim and your Rabeiem that you have hanging on the walls of your homes and throw them in the garbage.Take your children's collection of gedolim cards and tear them into shreds.How low can you rotzers go? you've already hit the bottom.Anon3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-5336320205690736902010-06-08T22:22:03.258-04:002010-06-08T22:22:03.258-04:00loi saasa lachuu pasal vchol teminu
some how ther...loi saasa lachuu pasal vchol teminu <br />some how there is a difference from fantasizing in your mind and making use of a man MADE pictureAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-11536389472307934942010-06-08T21:11:46.831-04:002010-06-08T21:11:46.831-04:00what is the Issur of seeing the Rebbes holy Tzurah...what is the Issur of seeing the Rebbes holy Tzurah in the worst of times? Reb sholem Mordechai is in need of a lot Bitochan and Emuna, and as we all know the Rebbe was the pillar of emuna in our generation, each and every day he worked tirelessly to apply it in our hearths, Was Yossefs seeing the portrait of his father by the Nisoyan of his life avoda zorah chas vesholem? Yakov avinu the pillar of Kedusha saved him in the hardest time. Please don't teach nobody emuna vedies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-17888927803277718042010-06-08T19:26:56.829-04:002010-06-08T19:26:56.829-04:00If you have seen the picture of Rubashkin entering...If you have seen the picture of Rubashkin entering the court house with a picture of the rebbe in his hands this shows that they are plain idol worshipers so they differ with the Jews on more then 2 Ikrim2 Ikrim ?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-74774987987997043192010-06-08T18:55:59.177-04:002010-06-08T18:55:59.177-04:00if satmers are loi mihem vlo mehamanom
and Zionist...if satmers are loi mihem vlo mehamanom<br />and Zionists are the authentic salvation for achris hayumim why do you look back? you joined the progressive visionaries that don't wait for meshiach and don't anticipate the death to rise so you differ on 2 Ikrim of the Jewish ani mamins , so get over it and fartig2 Ikrimnoreply@blogger.com