tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post7805190143461307447..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: .אן אוצר. כפשוטוHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-11570944302703822992008-02-21T19:34:00.000-05:002008-02-21T19:34:00.000-05:00shneur,did the the two couples eat the sedorim tog...shneur,<BR/><BR/>did the the two couples eat the sedorim together after 1971?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-47294312967741490392008-02-21T13:03:00.000-05:002008-02-21T13:03:00.000-05:00Reuven Vos epes 5712?ShneurCheck this out. Hope it...Reuven <BR/>Vos epes 5712?<BR/><BR/>Shneur<BR/><BR/>Check this out. Hope it answerers you questions!<BR/>http://www.shturem.net/index.<BR/>php?section=artdays&id=377&lang=<BR/>hebrew&lang=hebrewAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-85036141969974704942008-02-21T09:54:00.000-05:002008-02-21T09:54:00.000-05:00Supposedly Chabad people know how to think, but ...Supposedly Chabad people know how to think, but after reading many of the mindless comments on this blog , I have to wonder. <BR/>It's a well known fact that the rashag and the Rebbe did not get along betwen 1929-1950 (even without the tale about the Rashag supposed reluctance to bring the ramash to the US) so pray tell me how according to Slonim the Rashag became such a shtarker mekusher to the Rebbe by 1952 even though that time period included a "miuse" battle over leadership.For all these years the Rashag did not see that kedusha in the rebbe ?<BR/>What do you expect R. Slonim to write that the Rashag did not like the Rebbe ?<BR/>I attended many farbrenguns in 770 and seeing the rashag sit there at least to me did not indicate any great hispaalus on his part on what was happening about him, unlike shall we say Hodakov , Yolles, Mentelik , Futterfass etc etc.<BR/>When the 2 brothers in law were alone without their spouses they still chose to have sepaarate sedorim even though the Rashag was so mekusher to the Rebbe ...<BR/>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-69017421581482929902008-02-20T11:42:00.000-05:002008-02-20T11:42:00.000-05:00Ay, Shneur, Barry hut dir shtark gebisen...Ay, Shneur, Barry hut dir shtark gebisen...Guravitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09903833477421514457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-80992846612153029472008-02-20T11:39:00.000-05:002008-02-20T11:39:00.000-05:00i am not convinced such a story happened before ti...i am not convinced such a story happened before tishrei 5712.Reuven Leighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11437657410450729702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-3444313655825723592008-02-19T21:09:00.000-05:002008-02-19T21:09:00.000-05:00B"HReuven shy'The Slonim story is accurate, it was...B"H<BR/><BR/>Reuven shy'<BR/><BR/>The Slonim story is accurate, it was told over by those who heard it for him.(There were other stories too, in Yemei Breishis). <BR/><BR/>Of course the Machlokes was strong, it still took some time for him to realize.<BR/><BR/>Here's the story from "To know and to care" (http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:OgSyAQsKyfQJ:www.sichosinenglish.org/books/to-know-and-to-care-1/09.htm+slonim+%2B+rashag&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us)<BR/><BR/>"We might gain some insight into the events which transpire while the Rebbe visits the Previous Rebbe's gravesite from an interchange between Rabbi Shmaryahu Gurary, the Rebbe's brother-in-law, and Reb Azriel Zelig Slonim. Commonly known as the Rashag, Rabbi Gurary was an outstanding example of a chassid whose heart and soul were devoted to the Rebbe.<BR/>"As you know, Reb Zelig," explained the Rashag. "When my father-in-law, the Previous Rebbe, passed away, we were all heartbroken and confused. One day, I was deliberating unsuccessfully over a very important issue. I decided to consult my brother-in-law (the Rebbe Shlita).<BR/><BR/>"He weighed the matter carefully, and then said: 'I would not like to take personal responsibility for such an important issue. I will visit the gravesite later today, and I will discuss it with our father-in-law. Then I will give you an answer.' Upon his return, he presented me with an excellent solution."<BR/><BR/>"Now listen here, Reb Zelig," concluded the Rashag. "My brother-in-law is not one who exaggerates. If he said that he would discuss the matter with the Previous Rebbe at his gravesite, then that is exactly what transpired. I know that I am not capable of this. Since he can do so - I am his devoted chassid."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-15012766995074915822008-02-19T11:46:00.000-05:002008-02-19T11:46:00.000-05:00Rashag leaving his earthly posessions to Aguch. Wh...Rashag leaving his earthly posessions to Aguch. <BR/>Who exactly signed this will ? perhaps the man who was convicted of the biggest white colllar crime in the history of the state of New York ?<BR/>Its interesting to note that this man or the crime after conviction was never noted by the Chabad movement and its leadership.<BR/>I recall the ex con sitting behind the rebbe after his conviction !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-48294596182265175832008-02-19T04:33:00.000-05:002008-02-19T04:33:00.000-05:00montrealer,the story from slonim is definitely not...montrealer,<BR/><BR/>the story from slonim is definitely not accurate, bli neder i will be posting some letters from after yud shevat 5711 on my blog (pirsumrishon.blogspot.com) that clearly show the machlokes was very strong. have some patience, some stuff will be up before shabbos bl'n.Reuven Leighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11437657410450729702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-17482697069837466512008-02-18T14:10:00.000-05:002008-02-18T14:10:00.000-05:00motreal'er,1. I did not suggest that mamorim kein ...motreal'er,<BR/><BR/>1. I did not suggest that <I>mamorim kein sichoh</I> <B>started</B> in the 'mems'. I simply said the Rebbe "used to say them then." <BR/><BR/>2. I also specifically said I did not know <B>when</B> Rashag became a <I>chosid</I> of the Rebbe, I just said that he <B>did</B>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64915662100859942152008-02-18T12:25:00.000-05:002008-02-18T12:25:00.000-05:00B"hTo correct something in my last post it seems t...B"h<BR/>To correct something in my last post it seems that the Rashag was already there at farbreingens before shabbos Breishis. See the link above, that he was there for Simchas torah farbeingen, (maybe even ealier ?).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-74216341763251415402008-02-18T12:17:00.000-05:002008-02-18T12:17:00.000-05:00B"hBerl, Some of your info isn't correct. 1) Mamor...B"h<BR/>Berl, <BR/><BR/>Some of your info isn't correct. <BR/>1) Mamorim kein sicha didn't start in the mems.<BR/>2) There's a story that Rav A.Z. Slonim a"h told over about the Rashag a"h that he saw that the Rebbe was Rebbe in 5710. (the story for another time).<BR/><BR/>Bchalal, the first time the Rashag a"h came to farbreingen was shabbos breishis yud gimmel. <BR/><BR/>כ"ט תשרי תשי"ג<BR/><BR/>שבת בראשית<BR/><BR/>אחרי ההפטרה ולפני הכנסת הספר-תורה לארון-הקודש הורה כ"ק אדמו"ר שליט"א שיאמרו "יהללו וגו'" במנגינה של שמחת-תורה ושינגנו ניגון שמח. הוציאו ס"ת ורקד עמו במשך עשרים דקות. בעת ההתוועדות נכח גם הרש"ג. <BR/>from http://www.yoman770.com/wiki/<BR/>%D7%9B%22%D7%98_%D7%AA%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99<BR/>_%D7%AA%D7%A9%D7%99%22%D7%92Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-20378015290717450542008-02-15T13:48:00.000-05:002008-02-15T13:48:00.000-05:00Let us keep in mind the barry wasn't frum for quit...Let us keep in mind the barry wasn't frum for quit some time . . .Mottelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582397390892396507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-4197817493872515872008-02-15T12:51:00.000-05:002008-02-15T12:51:00.000-05:00satmartc,You seem to be unable to be mafshit the r...satmartc,<BR/>You seem to be unable to be <I>mafshit</I> the reality of who BG became from the potential he most likely had when he was very young. Many things would be different, not just one little detail. Let's drop this conversation, I do not want people to thing I some Barry supporter - that was not my point AT ALL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-9084841468621086712008-02-15T12:28:00.000-05:002008-02-15T12:28:00.000-05:00Berlr u saying that BG would be considered in 1994...Berl<BR/><BR/>r u saying that BG would be considered in 1994 as MoshiacH?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-13778565769674708802008-02-15T11:37:00.000-05:002008-02-15T11:37:00.000-05:00anon 1:52 AM,That wasn't my point. What crazy idea...anon 1:52 AM,<BR/>That wasn't my point. What crazy ideas people had in those painful moments is not important today. My point was that had there been even a remotely suitable candidate, he would have been made Rebbe in 1994, despite all the theological issues that might seem insurmountable (<I>deir hashevii, moshiach</I>, etc.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-25970089121923944542008-02-15T01:52:00.000-05:002008-02-15T01:52:00.000-05:00berlwho were the candidates?berl<BR/><BR/>who were the candidates?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-30265203227929142322008-02-15T00:19:00.000-05:002008-02-15T00:19:00.000-05:00satmartc,1. he had to have potential, otherwise th...satmartc,<BR/>1. he had to have potential, otherwise the FR wouldn't say the things he said about him;<BR/>2. you can safely assume that had things played out that way, he would be getting a very special treatment from the Rebbe for all these years as well and would be seen in very special light;<BR/>3. to be very honest with you, in the days immediately following 3 tammuz 5754, some very <I>shpitz chabad</I> people said things about succession that they would be very embarrassed to have repeated today... <BR/>anyways, what's the difference?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-44186991396833024142008-02-14T22:25:00.000-05:002008-02-14T22:25:00.000-05:00BerlOI Veicome on, had BG being a chossid, he woul...Berl<BR/>OI Vei<BR/><BR/>come on, <BR/>had BG being a chossid, he would be Rebbe in 1994 ?<BR/>if the Rebbe did not die for some LUBS, or coming back from tchias hameisim for other MOchichistm!<BR/><BR/>so easy o become a Rebbe?<BR/>100% non sense, such a thing coming from a LubAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-89240837337383640262008-02-14T20:08:00.000-05:002008-02-14T20:08:00.000-05:00Did someone realize that all the Sichos of the Res...Did someone realize that all the Sichos of the Reshag were verbatim of the FR ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-67022107813676090112008-02-14T19:31:00.000-05:002008-02-14T19:31:00.000-05:00people knew of the rebbes gadles because of his sh...people knew of the rebbes gadles because of his shabbos mivorchim farbreigens, as well as his farbreingens libnei hayeshivos on suckos, but true it was mostly a younger crowd.Levihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04236275537144070156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-30513359382820841102008-02-14T18:48:00.000-05:002008-02-14T18:48:00.000-05:00ShneurWhats this obsession of yours that the Rebbe...Shneur<BR/>Whats this obsession of yours that the Rebbe had to co chair his nesius with a BIL ? did the Reb Aaron Belzer share his nesius with the Bigrier rov ? eventough the stepmother wanted,the bilgrayor was the fathers talmud he learned with him on a daily basis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-66437561526948432692008-02-14T14:50:00.000-05:002008-02-14T14:50:00.000-05:00Schneur -the yunger chevrah knew the Rebbe was the...Schneur -the yunger chevrah knew the Rebbe was the one, and I doubt it was because of the name.Mottelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582397390892396507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-46731053824719122892008-02-14T14:39:00.000-05:002008-02-14T14:39:00.000-05:00By the late 80's Rashag was already very frail. Th...By the late 80's Rashag was already very frail. Those days the Rebbe uses to say the <I>maamorim</I> in the style of מאמר כעין שיחה. People therefore remained sitting for the duration (since it was not a full-fledged <I>mamaor</I>)... But Rashag used to immediately stand up (before others even realized it was a מאמר כעין שיחה ) and would remain standing for the duration! And he was not a <I>chosid</I>?!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-28243892464001134702008-02-14T14:04:00.000-05:002008-02-14T14:04:00.000-05:00Since we are on this topic, I just want to say tha...Since we are on this topic, I just want to say that my feeling has always been that had Rashag been a 'Schneersohn', he would have been chosen as the older one (or there would be a split). I strongly doubt that people really were able to see in 1950 who the Rebbe was, as many claim today they could. But the emotional connection to Beis HoRav, to the paternal lineage and to the very name 'Schneersohn' probably made the choice really easy for most... Then again, there were people who even then could see the אין ערוך divide between the two 'candidates' (e. g. Yoel). <BR/>Also, there seems little doubt that the Freirdike Rebbe had much hope for his grandson and, had BG remained a <I>chosid bichelal</I> and become a <I>chosid</I> of his uncle <I>biferat</I>, he would have certainly become Rebbe in 1994...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-38429306343887244402008-02-14T13:39:00.000-05:002008-02-14T13:39:00.000-05:00This reminds me (l'havdil) of those politicians wh...This reminds me (l'havdil) of those politicians who nag that they didn't become president because of a mean ad or phone call.<BR/><BR/>Like McCain nagging about some phone message in South Carolina in 2000, or Romney's people nagging about some McCain statement on a Saturday. Ridiculous. <BR/><BR/>They lost because they lost. The people didn't want them. Respect the decision and move on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com