tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post86491915952124989..comments2024-03-06T12:52:47.385-05:00Comments on Circus Tent - הירשל ציג'ס בלאג: א רוף צו אקשן - דעת בעלי בתיםHirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08911009966581004937noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-16244160855131644802012-01-26T13:06:56.466-05:002012-01-26T13:06:56.466-05:00This is an excellent post.This is an excellent post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-75459177116433698432011-11-06T13:46:29.235-05:002011-11-06T13:46:29.235-05:00anon; "irrelevance of today's so-called &...anon; "irrelevance of today's so-called "gedeilim""<br /><br />How about the opinions of todays (so called) ketanim are they real ketanim or just so called, when they shoot from the hip behind anon walls! and bashing people who are aware of the case, they are truly gedolim by saying what they believe and stating them publicly thats what the torah meant by saying: "לא תגורו מפני איש כי המשפט לאלקים הוא".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-9093005045505284762011-11-04T15:34:40.901-04:002011-11-04T15:34:40.901-04:00Anon
"Has he done any Chakira or D'risha ...Anon<br />"Has he done any Chakira or D'risha on the case? "<br />I assume that he did research it as far as he can and concluded that he is inocent.Thats all that hashem is asking from him,he does not have to be schooled to become a liscenced detective with the NYPD.<br /><br />"Does he have exculpatory evidence that could overturn the court's verdict?"<br />Probably yes <br />If he does then he must present it becaus of A) Al Sa'amod and B) Obstruction of Justice.<br />good <br />He probably tried..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-7140848951362802382011-11-04T11:21:26.355-04:002011-11-04T11:21:26.355-04:00"a few laymen have no bittul for a godal beyi..."a few laymen have no bittul for a godal beyisroel,and will not give him the benefit of the doubt."<br /><br />Has he done any Chakira or D'risha on the case? Does he have exculpatory evidence that could overturn the court's verdict? If he does then he must present it becaus of A) Al Sa'amod and B) Obstruction of Justice. Alternatively, if he has done no such investigation and has no revelatory information then he is just opinion-mongering and further cementing the risibility and irrelevance of today's so-called "gedeilim".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-7514903848845206182011-11-03T10:09:02.394-04:002011-11-03T10:09:02.394-04:00Ende Tsadik said... "He should hold his opini...Ende Tsadik said... "He should hold his opinions and you hold yours and I'll hold mine"<br /><br />now that's a real - ץAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64121900016797342312011-11-02T21:43:01.774-04:002011-11-02T21:43:01.774-04:00Ende Tzadik
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I do complain when a few laymen h...Ende Tzadik<br /><br />Yes<br />I do complain when a few laymen have no bittul for a godal beyisroel,and will not give him the benefit of the doubt, there are many people that were put in the slammer by the court system, that were innocent.The WSJ had a column from some Ms.Rabinowitz, that fought a lot of cases, that were mishandled by the judical system. She won many cases thru her influence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-89205810942058835492011-11-02T14:26:46.902-04:002011-11-02T14:26:46.902-04:00Where's his evidence? Was he in court througho...Where's his evidence? Was he in court throughout the trial? Did he conduct his own investigations?<br /><br />This is going round in circles. He should hold his opinions and you hold yours and I'll hold mine. I don't ask anyone to respect my opinions and I shall definitely not respect theirs. Don't however complain when level headed people see them all like a bunch of clowns.Ende Tsadiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-40189217097633008172011-11-02T12:18:26.445-04:002011-11-02T12:18:26.445-04:00Anon
"R. Moshe Green has admittedly committed...Anon<br />"R. Moshe Green has admittedly committed no crime. But in paying him a public visit he is a noisein yad laposhim while ignoring the victims."<br />he definitely does not agree with the verdict of the court, and is 100% convinced that he is innocent, he has the right to disagree with you, and its about time you should respect people with other opinions even if he would not be a Talmud Chochem muvhakAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-42132609844376631242011-11-02T08:49:48.987-04:002011-11-02T08:49:48.987-04:00Ende Tsadik said...
"הרי מקרא כתוב צדק ילין ב...Ende Tsadik said...<br />"הרי מקרא כתוב צדק ילין בה ועתה מרצחים... שריך סוררים וחברי גנבים כלו אהב שחד ורדף שלמונים יתום לא ישפוטו וריב אלמנה לא יבא אליהם"<br /><br />The rambam, the shulcuen urech, and all poskim also knew.. of this מקרא כתוב and despite that they פסק'ן that you're obligated to go to the current beth din !!!<br /><br />btw, the מקרא כתוב don't tell you who the secular courts and 'judges' are right ?? did they assume you know? it don't look like.. so if they didn't tell you i want either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-59155822461493039032011-11-02T08:29:49.129-04:002011-11-02T08:29:49.129-04:00Ende Tsadik said... 'וכו' וכו
Beth din vs...Ende Tsadik said... 'וכו' וכו<br /><br />Beth din vs. secular courts, <br />A) a 'defendant' can choose which of the many ‘courts’ is to his liking, B) he can choose one of the 3 judges he likes to judge him, C) he can have his own knowledgeable טוען to speak for ‘him’ D) bet din will only focus on the issue in front and not on the persons ‘whole character’ with possible dangerous consequences, E) the dini hatorah are fair and just! F) אם יש דין למטה אין דין למעלה! these are all tangible benefits. However, even without them as a yid regrdless you are ‘obligated’ by jewish law to go to jewish court. To suggest otherwise is כפירה and it implies that the secular courts are more fair, less biased, and NOT corrupted! LOL<br /><br /> (דברים יז, ט) ובאת אל הכהנים הלוים ואל השופט אשר יהיה בימים ההם וכי תעלה על דעתך שאדם הולך אצל הדיין שלא היה בימיו הא אין לך לילך אלא אצל שופט שבימיו, ואפילו אינו כשאר שופטים שהיו לפניו אתה צריך לשמוע לו. אין לך אלא שופט שבימיך <br />אין לך אלא כהן שיהיה בימיך, כמות שהוא יפתח בדורו כשמואל בדורוAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-71006543178882275422011-11-01T14:08:43.610-04:002011-11-01T14:08:43.610-04:00Ende Tsadik said... 'וכו' וכוEnde Tsadik said... 'וכו' וכוAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-64569386290699457102011-11-01T13:44:18.306-04:002011-11-01T13:44:18.306-04:00ולדאבוננו המביא בזה"ז דיני ישראל לפני בתי דין...ולדאבוננו המביא בזה"ז דיני ישראל לפני בתי דין ישראל מחלל את השם ומייקר נזקיו והרבה פעמים מכשיל הדיינים לעבור על לא תקח שוחד והטוענים לעבור על לא תשקרו והבעלי דין לעבור על לא תגזול. והני מילי בדיני ממונות אבל בדיני נפשות ואיסורי הרי מקרא כתוב צדק ילין בה ועתה מרצחים... שריך סוררים וחברי גנבים כלו אהב שחד ורדף שלמונים יתום לא ישפוטו וריב אלמנה לא יבא אליהם.Ende Tsadiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-46365701801556176182011-11-01T11:47:36.063-04:002011-11-01T11:47:36.063-04:00ende tsadik said... "This particular rapist w...ende tsadik said... "This particular rapist was convicted in a court of (secular) law"<br /><br />ואלה המשפטים אשר תשים לפניהם', ואומר רש'י לפניהם, ולא לפני עכו'ם, ולא לפני ערכאות שלהם, שהמביא דיני ישראל לפני ארמיים מחלל את השם ומייקר שם עבודת כוכבים להשביחם...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-61735477908316118942011-11-01T11:21:14.335-04:002011-11-01T11:21:14.335-04:00Anon: R. Moshe Green is as entitled to his opinion...Anon: R. Moshe Green is as entitled to his opinions as I am to mine. There is just one difference that he is a leader to whom people look for inspiration and guidance. חכמים הזהרו בדבריכם.<br /><br />At a time when sexual and violent crimes against children in our communities are uncovered with horrible frequency and almost total silence from our leaders it is sickening to see rabonim and roshei yeshivos publicly defending convicted rapists and paedophiles.<br /><br />This particular rapist was convicted in a court of law where he defended himself and cross examined his daughter and victim in a sickening manner. There is a letter from the head of the Satmar girls school in Antwerp no less about this guy's activites long before law enforcment officials became involved.<br /><br />R. Moshe Green has admittedly committed no crime. But in paying him a public visit he is a noisein yad laposhim while ignoring the victims. It is incidents like this that make complete asses of our leaders and why our youths and elders are so disillusioned with what we call yiddishkeit in 2011.ende tsadiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-56695272409670418202011-11-01T10:20:26.476-04:002011-11-01T10:20:26.476-04:00All gedoli olam where warriors מבית ומבחוץ but it...All gedoli olam where warriors מבית ומבחוץ but it was a war for the torah! and ע"פּ תורה that’s why they where gedolim! And knew how to maneuver בתחבולות תעשה מלחמהAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-13378648074745818932011-11-01T10:18:25.120-04:002011-11-01T10:18:25.120-04:00anon: "Didnt he fight all his pre war years f...anon: "Didnt he fight all his pre war years for his Rabunissen?"<br /><br />in court? No he didn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-80790895426031279002011-11-01T10:06:14.316-04:002011-11-01T10:06:14.316-04:00anon said: "the 2 holy brothers also claim th...anon said: "the 2 holy brothers also claim that al pi torah it belongs to them"<br /><br />that's why the case should go to din torah!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-5908566742941510572011-11-01T09:41:44.979-04:002011-11-01T09:41:44.979-04:00anon: "I believe that the other side was a sh...anon: "I believe that the other side was a shomer shabos even with 72 minutes" "other sides were no eisav"<br /> Does that leaves out korach? (who relied on his wealth)<br /><br />a man who fled from america leaving with other peoples money! and claiming other peoples properties! building cities and hospitals for profit, doing masse zimri (with his faul language) and asking rewards like pincus! he should claim for the eiffel tower or why not the kotel! (or wmsb’g like he did) not the little tolchever house in Tzefat? claiming it with false documents given by the medina hatmei! stating that the medina is the previous owner! The issue at stake was with the medina who stole it.. not with this character who was trying to buy stolen property and had no בעלות on it.<br /><br />עם עקש תתפתל ועיניים רמות תשפיל אם בין ככבים שימ קנך משם ארדך<br /><br />ps: I suggest you let him rest in peace and not open further this can..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-7393617038451588512011-10-31T18:58:03.291-04:002011-10-31T18:58:03.291-04:00Anon
"yea so did esov fight yakov and duvid h...Anon<br />"yea so did esov fight yakov and duvid hamelich fight golyes and so on.. but not in secular court! when both are cheridim yirah hashem!"<br />my friend the other sides were no eisav, and no goliath, the goliath was a gorilla on the other side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-86538046040316697612011-10-31T18:56:37.504-04:002011-10-31T18:56:37.504-04:00Anon
"He didn't want to 'grab' an...Anon<br />"He didn't want to 'grab' anything it was HIS according to dina hatorah"<br />by every din torah both sides claim that the torah is on their side and it is solely their possesion.I believe that the other side was a shomer shabos even with 72 minutes, that is very very rare in the Medina Hatemie.<br /><br />the 2 holy brothers also claim that al pi torah it belongs to themAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-48423167434593579512011-10-31T15:15:36.867-04:002011-10-31T15:15:36.867-04:00All gedoli olam where warriors מבית ומבחוץ but it...All gedoli olam where warriors מבית ומבחוץ but it was a war for the torah! and ע"פּ תורה that’s why they where gedolim! And knew how to maneuver בתחבולות תעשה מלחמהAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-88283228535697967482011-10-31T15:07:46.809-04:002011-10-31T15:07:46.809-04:00anon: "Didnt he fight all his pre war years f...anon: "Didnt he fight all his pre war years for his Rabunissen?"<br /><br />yea so did esov fight yakov and duvid hamelich fight golyes and so on.. but not in secular court! when both are cheridim yirah hashem!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-55685989743650849392011-10-31T15:01:45.887-04:002011-10-31T15:01:45.887-04:00anon: "didn"t the SR fight in the Zionis...anon: "didn"t the SR fight in the Zionist courts when he wanted to grab the tolchever house in Tzefat?"<br /><br />He didn't want to 'grab' anything it was HIS according to dina hatorah! but medinas yisrael GRABED it and they don't believe in dina hatorah, you cant go to din torah with someone who doesn't abide with the torah! i would advise you don't comapare this atrocite when 2 cheridem of the othermost frum kehilos are mechlel shem shumiem! when both sides observe and belong to a beth din! <br /><br /> בקהלם אל תחד כבודו!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-68663381634088112992011-10-31T12:47:40.830-04:002011-10-31T12:47:40.830-04:00Anon
"descendents of none other than " S...Anon<br />"descendents of none other than " SR!z"l " winding in a 'SECULAR court' for years! (not din tora!)com'on HOW LOW CAN YOU GO!"<br />didn"t the SR fight in the Zionist courts when he wanted to grab the tolchever house in Tzefat?<br />Didnt he fight all his pre war years for his Rabunissen?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13084425.post-39738702423720916322011-10-31T12:44:18.929-04:002011-10-31T12:44:18.929-04:00Anon
"If I may, belz,klaus,kasu,chasidshe/lit...Anon<br />"If I may, belz,klaus,kasu,chasidshe/litvakes, etc. types, all aggrieved fringe sects and individuasl out on a limb who ...."<br />I am not getting what you are talking about?<br />BTW, who decided who is fringe?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com