Wednesday, October 19, 2005

Talk about towing the line....



Listen to this spokesman. אויף אונז געזאגט

From the English Forward

Meanwhile, in the Hasidic village of New Square, N.Y., religious leaders recently issued a document reminding residents that "women should not sit in the front of a car." "It's considered not tzniusdik [modest] for a woman to be a driver, not in keeping with the out-of-public-view [attitude]," village spokesman Rabbi Mayer Schiller said. "If you can imagine in Europe, would a woman have been a coach driver, a wagon driver? It would've been completely inappropriate."

The village's religious leaders have made an exemption for an 80-year-old woman who was one of the community's original residents and hadn't known about the driving prohibition before she moved there. In the recent document, New Square religious leaders reiterated the prohibition against girls riding bicycles; also, women are forbidden from going outside in their long housecoats ?? a common fashion staple in many Orthodox communities.

The rules "are nothing new," Schiller said, but "there's just a sense that for some of the young people they need to reinforce them." He added that in the village's entire history, similar comprehensive lists of communal standards have been posted "maybe five or 10 times, but probably no more than that." "If you would poll the community... 97.5% would say, 'Yes, this is what we want,'" Schiller said. The recent document in New Square addressed a wide range of prohibitions.

One rule requires that a fence be constructed around houses that have a trampoline. Another states that exercise groups can be formed only with the permission of a rabbinical court and that they require a mashgiach (religious inspector) to oversee them. Some of the regulations are targeted at men, including a clause instructing male worshippers to keep their cell phones off and to refrain from talking during prayer times.

But it is the rules pertaining to women in particular, those related to driving that bear a striking resemblance to the Saudi practices criticized by the Bush administration. In some ways, Saudi Arabia's laws regarding women are more permissive than the religious edicts in New Square. For example, a Saudi woman is allowed to ride in the front seat of a car if the driver is her husband. While husbands and wives in Saudi Arabia are allowed to walk with each other, New Square men and women always must walk on different sides of the street. In strong contrast to Saudi Arabia, the government does not enforce the religious rules in New Square; violations do not result in any form of corporal punishment.

But those who frequently violate the rules in New Square are blackballed from the community. "I can think of just a handful of cases over the years" in which someone was expelled from New Square's religious community, Schiller said. "I don't think any of these transgressions would get you to be expelled from the community," Schiller said. But, he added, "If a young woman was driving, that would be fairly serious." Schiller warned against drawing any negative conclusions about New Square based on the Saudi situation. "It is a mistake to view a religious practice negatively just because another culture, aspects of which we may find troubling, also practices it," he said.

At the same time, the New Square spokesman was critical of the Bush administration's efforts in the Middle East. "American foreign policy has moved towards a messianic, crusading secularism which judges all other peoples by the standards of our own 'fashionable' elites," he said. "This monolithic utopianism inevitably yields spiritual, moral and practical disasters."

You gotta love this guy. Especially the anti-war rant at th end. I happen to know him from a long time ago and this guy believes in these Takonos like he believes in the Koran, but he sells it well.

They may have a point, and they mean well, but it sounds awful when it leaks out to the press. Besides, I think they're suffering from "we- want- to- be- the-frummest" disease.

3 comments:

  1. Rabbi Schiller is a feminist's nightmare come true.

    But let's be practical here. Nice of him to give a heter to one little 80 year old lady, but should anyone still be driving at that age anyway?

    Imagine the ludicrous scene in NS, seeing one little elderly woman driving among all the men drivers. If she cuts one of them off, will he scream 'Oh, that woman driver!' instead of the plural denunciation about 'those women drivers'?

    And is it wise to have the Imas and the Abbas walking on separate sides of the street? This could be a sarcona for the smaller kinderlach if they should suddenly run across the road to the other parent. Any halachas on putting children in danger?

    Nothing new about New Square, where the communal Rabbi wants everything to be like it was in Europe in the old days, but then again, was Old Europe even as square as this?

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  2. Old Europe could only wish for the Rov to have such authority. Most towns in Europe had blatant and open Chilul Shabbos etc. The Rov could do nothing to stop it.

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  3. prediction: some young fellas will rebel in an organized fashion sooner or later. remember the lesson of Chava adding on prohibitions not mentioned by g-d.

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