An answer from the Rebbe about what to do about a student who brought a non-kosher book to school. You might say the Rebbe had a very "before its time" approach to these things, despite noting the sincerity/severity of the issue and how these things cannot be overlooked or ignored.
I would like to know how this type of incident is handled in Bais Yakov? Satmar? etc..
ReplyDeletelook when back then in belz galitzia they whould throw this student out bcharpis and beeshes.
ReplyDeletebelz was a very small village near the big city of lemberg (lvov), the local village people were very primitive, "klein shtetl" way of thinking, deprest of lack of money ect. they were to ultra strict which back fired very badly. i dont know how it is in belz today.
yet the lubavitch rebbi was very bright and knew how a young human brain works, therefore his reply was well on target.
To all you brainwashed coolaid drinkers!!!!
ReplyDeletethis and many more such replies under the disguise of "Proceed with caution" has resulted that there is no such taboo in lubavitch as sfurim chutzionim , of course the sifrei hagra still are
so far I see you drank the snag kool-aid big time. Sifrei HaGro taboo in Lubavitch? you're confusing us with Skver, my snaggy friend.
ReplyDeletehirshel did your Hungarian grand father know what the bintel briff are
ReplyDeleteseforim chitsionim is not looked down in lubavitsh
An interesting part of the letter says the Rebbe did not sign "mipnei kedishas hamoied" so the secretary signed.
ReplyDeleteI"m not sure I get it?
I don't feel comfortable with this type of thing for obvious reasons.
I"m sure Hirshel has a good explanation.
I"m getting fed up with the silly Belz bashing, so stop it, who ever you are
ReplyDeleteI just can't get over this one! Are the מועדי ה' מקראי קודש relating to the אדמו''ר more קודש than those of the מזכיר?!
ReplyDeleteThis sums up the foolish mentality of many that call themselves "חסידים", but in reality are nothing more than mindless morons. They can't find their own ערך, so they convince themselves that latching on to an אדמו''ר will somehow make them worth something.
It's unfortunate that many do not even realize how illegitimate this kind of thinking is.
This is exactly why I defected from a family of אנ''ש to become a part of the real כלל ישראל.
lynched
ReplyDeleteask this of the bochur who would carry the brisker Rov's chafetzim since he didn't carry..
I'm not sure you joined any real world after all
"ask this of the bochur who would carry the brisker Rov's chafetzim since he didn't carry.."
ReplyDeleteSource???
Classic LUBOB defense of obfuscating the issue.
You were asked a question.ANSWER IT!
Or shut up if you can't!
"I'm not sure you joined any real world after all"
ReplyDeleteI"m not the "lynched" guy, but if you call the bunch of "gebleemteh kaftehns" and the rebbe worshipping apologists or the rebbe shlit'a worshippers "real world" than you did not take your daily meds
obfuscate yourself
ReplyDeleteyou asked a question you would never ask of the BR. I answered you to first ask on the BR, then come back to me, if you still have a question.
If you can't speak cordially please find another blog.
This is not the Rebbe's hanhogoh per se', but rather a very common Hanhogoh by Rabbonim and Tzaddikim.
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
"you asked a question you would never ask of the BR."
ReplyDeleteI did not ask.Just commented on your silly defense.
Sorry for being unpleasant but stupidity drives me nuts,and I did not even see the brilliance of the answer in not kicking the young lady out for bringing what was probably a mild romance reader to school.
Sorry again for being nasty
it's not a "defense"
ReplyDeleteThe Kashe iz Lekatchilleh nit shver
brilliance? I never said it was brilliant. No need for brilliance here, just common sense, really.
"The Kashe iz Lekatchilleh nit shver"
ReplyDeleteI don't believe you don't see what is bothersome.Why is the mazkir supposed to do the "averah"??
the Mazkir Quint was a Litvak, maybe he wasn't makpid. He did it with a shinui, I imagine.
ReplyDelete"No need for brilliance here, just common sense, really."
ReplyDeleteYou chap so much hispayles from a run of the mill common sense answer that you need to post it??
Tell me is it so surprising when a rebbe has "common sense" and so not surprising as in "The Kashe iz Lekatchilleh nit shver" when the mazkir is the "shik yingel" to do "chilul hamoied"??
(even if there is a good answer, this type of "tzidkes" will raise eyebrows,no? Where is the common sense?)
"Mazkir Quint"
ReplyDeleteWho was he?
I didn't chap hispayles
ReplyDeletecommon sense is a rarity these days, and even back then.
it's not chilul haMoed, no less than you going to Nellie Bly Park
More on Rav Quint
ReplyDelete"common sense is a rarity these days, and even back then."
ReplyDeleteYou seem to have very low expectations.You run to become a chused just because they have common sense?
I don't want to start being nasty, but the sorry state of events in Lubavitch could've been averted with a wee bit of common sense
no, that's not why I "ran" to Lubavitch
ReplyDeleteso what do you think of R' Quint?
"so what do you think of R' Quint?"
ReplyDeleteThanks for the link
"no, that's not why I "ran" to Lubavitch"
ReplyDeleteWhy did you?
Loaded question so you don't have to answer.
I"m sure you have had second thoughts(though understandably enough cannot own up to) many a time in light of the post Rebbe era and all the shenanigans
I wish I could sign......
ReplyDelete"They can't find their own ערך, so they convince themselves that latching on to an אדמו''ר will somehow make them worth something."
I Ledovko Boi is a mitzvas esse, brought down in Rambam , it is not a chasidic invention, I feel your pain, it is Avdie beHefkieroi Nicha Lie...
Yoineh
ReplyDelete"drives me nuts,and I did not even see the brilliance of the answer in not kicking the young lady out for bringing what was probably a mild romance reader to school."
I have so much emuna in the Rebbe that the Rebbe knew Hilchos Chol Hamoed and he probably had a halachic reason for his writing that way.
You can have a different opinion on the the way to handle that issue, and still be the self crowned Genius,but the Rebbe had a different opinion then you. I think he heard that the Chazon Ish told for chaim gronim, (it will be printed in Maseh Ish Chelek 152) the same think, if not the CI, the Rebbe would never say it.
Yoineh
ReplyDelete"but the sorry state of events in Lubavitch could've been averted with a wee bit of common sense"
No belief system will be answered with common sense(Baal Batish)
Hirshel,
ReplyDeleteכי קיצרתי בדרך שקוצדין בחול המועד״.
Reb Yosef Shaul of Lemberg,in his Teshuvas
their are poskim that believe that a official signature is Maseh Uman, the Friederike Rebbe had letter heads with his signature prepared before yom tov.
Anon2:38,
ReplyDeleteWhat "bdelief system" are you talking about?
Lubavitch is involved in infighting which makeseven Sakmor cringe.All because the succesion was not addressed.
Think before you jump to comment (if you are capable of *thinking*)
Yoineh
ReplyDeleteyou see what you want to see,
the infighting in chabad is quite calm, most people would like to see peace.
I am definitely not capable to do the profund thinking as your honor, the arrogant ignorant genius, but even a peasant like me, can see obvious facts.
Hirshel, what good deed did you do today, that we got the Genius Yoineh on board?
If only the Rebbe had left a clear signed will with a number of clear copies before his petirah things would have been so different
ReplyDelete"Yoineh
ReplyDeleteyou see what you want to see,"
Ok.
So how about you, shayfaleh:You don't want to see therefore it does not exist?
Oy bist di ah gu'en (and an apologist).Amazing how the clear cut machloikeh going on in Chabad circles is only because "you see what you want to see"
I"m not even addressing the problem with "yad hameshichisten al huelyoineh" because you are surely a meschichist or closet meshichist and you think that they are right.
Be well, in zey to zahn bah a doktor in gichen
Generally one would not be allowed to write on Chol Hamoed, since this is not tzorech Hamoed since the letter would come back after yom tov.
ReplyDeleteSo the first part of the letter is intersant.The second part would be some kind of "dovor ho'oeveid" probably.
Additionally maybe Rabbi Qwint had a heter because he was a poel shein loh may yoichal.
I would like to hear what the learned commentators have to say about writing on chol hamoed for a zach that's not tzoirech hamoied and if it was commonby the Rebbe, maybe because there were many letters to address and it wouldbe very difficult without it.
Could be that even when it's mutter there is an inyan to make a shinui like they do in Eretz Yisroel with the Hamodia newspaper printed on chol hamoed where the leave a blank place which says "mipnei kedushas hamoed".I thkink the Yated does not print on chol hamoed
Chaim
ReplyDeleteBig Lamden
according to Poskim you have to write on Chol Hamoed a letter when it is Leafrushie Meosurai.I believe that story is in that category.
Yoiney
ReplyDelete"Be well, in zey to zahn bah a doktor in gichen"
I will only visit the doctor that created you in to Genius, is your doctor in Hip insurance group?
I really hope so.
Chaim
ReplyDelete".I think the Yated does not print on chol hamoed"
we would breathe better if they would stop printing it totally, alot of radioactive hate would be avoided.
Why the negativity?
ReplyDeleteI was pointing out why apparently the Rebbe made a shinuy by not signing himself, to show that chol hamoed iz andersh and you need a heter to write.
I want to hear what other posters have to say.
I apologise for this very unfounded speculation, but imagine this: the advice had to be given in a timely manner, so there was a reason to write it on chol hamoed. But if the Rebbe were to write it himself then should he mention that he's writing because the matter is so urgent? That would terrify the recipient - that he should be the cause of making the Rebbe write on Ch'hM. Worse, the recipient might over-react when dealing with the pupil because it's suddenly become such an urgent matter. But if the Rebbe doesn't mention that the matter is urgent then people fifty years from now would think that he doesn't take Ch'hM seriously, chas veshalom. So what to do? Have it signed by one of his secretaries and say that it's because of the sanctity of Ch'hM. That way the recipient will appreciate that the Rebbe thought it was urgent, but he won't feel bad at having caused the Rebbe to write on Ch'hM. As for the secretary, he was obeying the Rebbe's instructions, so the recipient won't feel bad about having caused him to write on Ch'hM.
ReplyDeleteI saw this week in 1 of the Satmar Reb Yoelish chasidim memoirs, some anectodes of bucherim that were caught in yeshiva with Zionist booklets, in the town of Satu Marie. By 1 incident 2 guys were caught, 1 was send way in middle of Zman, the other guy was kept till he ended the season , but was not permited to come back,
ReplyDeleteI guess he did not think the way some bozos that posted before , that both should be hung immediatley on the nearest lightpole.
the people on this blog always have a tendency to discuss the desert, and not the main menu,the issue over here, was a chapter in education, not Hilchos Chol Hamoed
ReplyDeleteHirshel,
ReplyDeleteWhat do you say about the Pirem tisch with the Chabad pictures in Willy?
grainom said...
ReplyDeletethe nimshal is what the tzig and many others are still doing in lubavitch. the where attracted by a rebbe, a rebbe centered judaism. now its gone, but its too hard to leave and start over...
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Anonymous said...
ReplyDeletegrainom
"the where attracted by a rebbe, a rebbe centered judaism. now its gone"
he is only gone by herectics like you, he is still alive and kicking, by thousand of jews in their mind.
Just a simple proof,Who tought that the Rebbe would still be ridiculed 16 years of his histalkus, by a satmar canibal tisch on Rodney. It is only beacause even the Canibals(Tachtun Shein Tachtun Heimanoi) feel that he is alive.
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Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete:rolleyes: Of course it is so much better to be part of a vibrant Chassidus which does more for Yiddishkeit and Yidden than any other group, as opposed to following one of two, three or ten Peerimer rebbelach who spring up like mushrooms the moment a rebbe of the last generation is niftr.
I'll take Chabad's problems over anyone else's thank you.
Anon3 said...
ReplyDelete"the nimshal is what the tzig and many others are still doing in lubavitch. the where attracted by a rebbe, a rebbe centered judaism. now its gone, but its too hard to leave and start over.."
Typical response of this individual towards Lubavitch.All cut from the same cooky cutter.How boring.
(moved from post above due to lack of relevance)
Anon3
ReplyDeleteYou got over your fall out with DovBer so fast?
"(moved from post above due to lack of relevance"
ReplyDeleteThat was just my point.I didn't see any relevance to the post above and therefore made my comment about the usual Grainom garbage.
"Anon3
ReplyDeleteYou got over your fall out with DovBer so fast?"
I didn't take my own advice.It's been a running battle between me,him and his pseudo intellectual noch shllepers.I feel like the Lone Ranger being attacked by a vicious band of Comanche Indians.
DovBer is a lubavitcher shliach that thinks he is aufgeklert. I know who he is. I dont want to publisize his name because it may be ainst halacha but he should stop his foolish rants.
ReplyDeleteAnon9:09pm
ReplyDeleteI highly doubt that DovBer has even the slightest connection to Chabad despite his name.
I know who he is
ReplyDelete