Shalom Uvracha,
Please find the attached Maamar of Chassidus Metzuyenes, the 6th in our series so far B”H. It is entitled Hamalach Hagoel from the Magen Avos. The Maamar involves some extremely complex issues which require much time and effort. Wishing you Kol Tuv and may we hear Besuros Tovos.
Doresh Shelomo, Akiva Shavrick
Magen Avos 6 Hamalach Hagoel Updated
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Hey, we aren't such big fans of the magen avos.... (He wasnt like his fsther so much) וד"ל
ReplyDeleteyou can skip to the next - or previous - post. no need for silly comments.
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ReplyDeleteshneur and dixie yid gonna give us a fuller report?
Hirshel,
ReplyDeleteWe've know each other online for a quite some time.
With all the love in the world, you really need to have a talk with your mashpia aliba d'emes.
Or have a discussion with 2 or 3 eltere chasidim, longtime Temimim.
Seriously.
Vedal
זאג מיר וואס באדערט דיר
ReplyDeleteI don't understand using the lashon of C"K ADMU"R.
ReplyDeleteIt's brought in many places that there is only one Rebbe, one Nasi of the generation.
The Rebbe Maharash's nessius began from the Tzemach Tzedek's histalkus.
As far as i remember the FR uses that loshon on the tzaddikim bnei v'nechdei haTzemach tzedek
DeleteWelcome to the party Menashe. Please enlighten us, who is the Rebbe the Nossi of our generation?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rebbeclips.com/2013/12/2-rare-pictures-of-rayats-of-lubavitch.html#comment-form
ReplyDeletewow!
Chevra,
ReplyDeleteDon't keep us in suspense. please explain what's the grudge against the Magen Avos? We're big boys here and we can handle it...
He became a rebbe instead of a chasid of the Rebbe of lubavitch
ReplyDeleteThe Magen Avos started a milchama against the Rebbe Maharash. He made a sort of "hachtoro" for his father בחיי הצמח צדק. His father the kopuster did not care for fights etc unlike the Magen Avos himself who was a troublemaker וד"ל
ReplyDeleteThere is a reshima from the Frierdiker Rebbe (hashmotos...) that tells the whole story.
And by the way tzig, whydya get so offended? I just wanted to bring up a point....
Post the reshimos from the rayatx
ReplyDeleteYou lubabs really make the Rebbe Rayatz look bad. Who edited and published his reshimos? I've heard you guys say he cursed out his son in law and now this.
ReplyDeleteWhat gives?
All the tzemach tzedeks children were mini rebbes during his lifetime. Said da"ch etc
ReplyDeleteIt's getting interesting said...
ReplyDeletePost the reshimos from the rayatx
I don't have them בהישג יד. And the FR wanted them ->burnt<- not published -especially online-
What gives? said...
You lubabs really make the Rebbe Rayatz look bad. Who edited and published his reshimos? I've heard you guys say he cursed out his son in law and now this.
You are 100% correct. These reshimos weren't published in any way. They circulate on bochurim's and collector's hard drives. They were the FR's personal diaries recording many personal things. He did write some sharp words against his son-in-law but it was not meant for public consumption
וד"ל ותן ->לחכם<- ויחכם עוד
Anonymous אהלי שם said...
ReplyDeleteAll the tzemach tzedeks children were mini rebbes during his lifetime. Said da"ch etc
Yes, true however the magen avos tried appointing his father as successor בחיי הצ"צ. Saying chassidus was what all the sons did. The magen avos went further...
וד"ל
Who was it that the Rayatz trusted to burn on instruction, but instead was "smarter" than the Rebbe and betrayed the trust and copied it?
ReplyDeleteDid the Rebbe make a mistake in misplaced trust?
Why weren't they burned? A chasid was so farbrent he knew better than to listen?
ReplyDeleteWho says the Magen Avos was not right? Maybe the Kaposter was greater than the Maharash.I am not an expert on maamarim, but I know a certain non-Lubavitch talmid chochom who learned a lot of Chabad chassidus and he claims that the maamorim of the maharsh are the "shvachste" from all the rebbes...
ReplyDeleteAlso, against which SIL did the mahayatz write?
oh, the pearls of wisdom we begin to see here...
ReplyDeleteKovner
ReplyDeletewhat does the non Lubavicher Mamorim maven think about the Maharashes son the Marshab?
if you are not a maven then how can you verify if your friend knows what he is talking about?
Not a Harry
ReplyDelete"Who was it that the Rayatz trusted to burn on instruction, but instead was "smarter" than the Rebbe and betrayed the trust and copied it? "
u sure u heard such story?
ReplyDeleteYשמלטדMonday, January 13, 2014 7:29:00 PM
It's getting interesting said...
Post the reshimos from the rayatx
I don't have them בהישג יד. And the FR wanted them ->burnt<- not published -especially online-
The one who passed judgment on the Maharash's maamorim is not my "friend"; he's one of the great talmidei chachomim of our generation, who is also very knowledgeable in kabbalah and Chabad chassidus.
ReplyDeleteKovner
ReplyDeleteI dont trust even "; he's one of the great talmidei chachomim of our generation" on that. There are very little people even in chabad that are capable to have a Havchona on this delicate subjects.Unless I know from people that know chabad well. Reb Chaim Kanievsky knows a big part of Torah but he is still not a Brisker. And Reb Duved Soloviechig is not RCK either.
Of all the great מבינים here, who have so much to say. How many of you actually learned the maamer and would have understood it without the footnotes. And of course know which maamorim of the צמח צדק it's all based on.
ReplyDeleteDid the Rayatz have a relationship with the other chabad rebbes? How did he address them in his letters ? If any.
ReplyDeleteNot a Harry
ReplyDeleteWhen the Rayatz became Rebbe in 1920 there were not many other Chabad Rebbes left but as a rule he addressed other rebbes very nice and much nicer then his father.
The Reshab was a purist only the Alte Rebbe and the chabad of his father existed, not much else. He respected a honest yeria shomaim as Reb Chaim Brisker,he was not pluralistic what so ever.
Short biographies of the other chabad rebbes were compiled by Rav Amrom Blau in Hiechel Habesht. if there was correspondence he would of mention it.
choiker with a hoiker said...
ReplyDeleteNot a Harry
When the Rayatz became Rebbe in 1920 there were not many other Chabad Rebbes left but as a rule he addressed other rebbes very nice and much nicer then his father.
The Reshab was a purist only the Alte Rebbe and the chabad of his father existed, not much else
what a "choiker" you are! Maybe read רשימת הרב"ש to find out what the Rebbe Rashab said about the magen avos etc.
They existed good and well. Even respect.
A benign question amongst a myriad of other comments, Hirshel, could you give us some biographical information about Akiva Shavrick, thanks!
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ReplyDelete"what a "choiker" you are! Maybe read רשימת הרב"ש to find out what the Rebbe Rashab said about the magen avos etc.
They existed good and well. Even respect."
did I say the Rayatz? or the Reshab?
Did I say the sefer or the Rebbes?
Can you start reading for a living, not as a BTW
did I say the Rayatz? or the Reshab?
ReplyDeleteDid I say the sefer or the Rebbes?
Can you start reading for a living, not as a BTW
You wrote "The Reshab was a purist only the Alte Rebbe and the chabad of his father existed, not much else". Not true. The Rebbe Rashab respected other branches of Chabad etc.
By "magen avos" i meant the person not sefer. Same with babroisker etc.
Just pointing out that you arent doing too good of a job as a "choiker." You dont know much more than the basics
BTW
ReplyDeleteHow is the Reshab reacting to the Mogan Ovas, in these talks? I read them all in both versions.I really dont want to get dragged in to discussion.
You have no Inkling on this subject, and I will leave it at that
choiker said...
ReplyDeleteBTW
How is the Reshab reacting to the Mogan Ovas, in these talks? I read them all in both versions
What "talks" exactly are you referring to?
The השמטות from תו"ש?
רשימת הרב"ש?
Or did you not read either of them and yet claim to be a "choker"?