Thursday, February 2, 2006

הרבי והמונקאטשער



So is the name of a Kuntres printed in honor of the wedding of 2 children of Anash originally from Hungary/Czechoslovakia.

The Choson's father was a Mashgiach In the Yeshiva of Reb Mendel Vechter in those turbulent times and was a major influence in the lives of the Bochurim there. He is now Reish Mesivta in Morristown, NJ.

The Kallah's father, a Talmid Chochom in his own right, studied in the Great Lithuanian Yeshivos of Brisk-Yerushalayim and Lakewood before "joining" Lubavitch as a Yungerman. He "shtams" from the illustrious Perlstein/Wulliger family of Munkacs, and is now the Menahel of Cheder Lubavitch and the Mesivta in Chicago.

8 comments:

  1. The kuntres is available on line. I quickly looked it over , most of the material was aleady published.It's taken from various publications like Hamelech bemesibo .
    The Rayaatz seemed to have special feelings for the M.El.
    But todays Munkatcher ?

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  2. MD:
    the Kuntres can be printed out from the website, just click on the link.

    Thanks!

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  3. Lets not get carried away about the Munkatch-Lubavitch relationship.
    Certainly Chabad has never endorsed the Munkatcher separatist attitude towards Klal israel and the " shtrof rayd" that marked a great deal o the M.El. speeches and public personna.
    In addition even the rayaatz was never as extreme an anti-Zionist as the M.EL.
    The last rebbe as the M.EL was a firm Messianisit.
    Finally given that all chasidic groups are from the same shoresh, one can find parallels between Chabad and many of them like Kotzk, Ruzhin,Komorna, Zidichoiv,Breslev Ger etc etc. After all they are all chasidim and all frum Jews.
    I suppose many of the Hungarians who "joined" Lubavitch put this sort of materials out as an "apologia" trying to proof that even their former beings had shaychus with Chabad.
    So let me posit this bit of apikorsus the branch of Judaism that Chabad has the most in common with is .... the derech of Lita, after all Chabad is Lita (Reisen).

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  4. Kurenitzer

    nobody said that they had the most Shaychus with Munkacs, just that they had much shaychus. After all, not for nothing did Chana Gurary ask to be buried in the Munkacser Beis Eylim....

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  5. Hirshel, correct me if I'm wrong:You arec referring to Perlstein from Chicago (Bodeks brother)aren't you?If so he does not 'shtam' from the Williger family:The old Williger married a Perlstein, but this guy is not a blood relative of Williger iirc.

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  6. nice to have you back, VML. The old Wulliger was this Perlstein's Zeide IIRC. The Perlsteins also shtam from Munkacs.

    I didn't know Bodek was his brother.

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  7. VML,
    Please humor me a little; I hope that you will. I come from a Lubavitcher family, and I still like Lubavitch from afar for it's good points.
    I have finished college with a degree in sociology, and I have been reading many of these "Lubavitch related blogs" with interest. It is an interesting phenomenon, to see the many sides of Lubavitch - something that I relate to on many levels. I was especially curious about you though: You seem to have a Lubavitcher background like myself (please correct me if I'm wrong), and I was wondering what brought you to where you are today - and where exactly are you (identity-wise) today?

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  8. The Wiliger's "Shtam" from the Perlsteins, NOT the other way around.

    The Late R' Yosef Binyomin Willger married the daughter of R' Eliezer Pashkes, the son-in-law of R' Binyomin Perlstein of Munkacz.

    The Perlstein who made the Shidduch with Ganz is R' Binyomin Perlstein (Dean of the Lubavitch Mesivta in Chicago), son of R' Yosef Perlstein, son of R' Shaul Yechezkel Perlstein (Parnas of Munkacz, moved to Chicago with his family), son of the above-mentioned R' Binyomin Perlstein of Munkacz.

    There is another Wiliger (not sure how the two are related), R' Mordechai Wiliger who himself was from Munkacz, who was a son-in-law of R' Binyom (I) perlstein of Munkatch.

    So as far as I know, there are no Perlsteins that shtam from wiliger's unless some of the eineklach got married to each other. (or his mother was a wiliger)

    (Most of the above was taken from Magen Beis Shaul by R' Dovid Leib Greenfeld of Va'ad Mishmereth Stam)

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