Hear him speak in 5750 at Binyanei HaUmah
The Levoyoh
קטעים "נבחרים" מהמשא של מרן הגרא"מ שך שליט"א
בכנס בארצי של "תודעה", בנייני האומה, ירושלים
אור ליום ב' כ"ז אדר א' תשנ"ב
תראה, תמצאו כמה, איזה, איזה חידוש, איזה מה שרעדו מזה - המלה חב"ד. מזכירים מלה תורה?! חב"ד מזכירים מלה תורה?! אני עוד לא שמעתי שלובביץ' יאמרו מלה תורה. שילמדו תורה.
התוועדות! אתם יודעים? אתם יודעים מה זו התוועדות? אני לא יודע מה זה התוועדות. אתה יודע בעברית איך אפשר לתרגם מה זו התוועדות.
עם-הארצים! כופרים בעיקר! כופרים בעיקר הם! אצל אף אחד מהם אין את המלה תורה. לא מזכירים משניות. שמעתם שייצאו פעם בקריאה ללמוד כל יום משניות? מזכירים מלה ממשניות? לא מזכירים מלה לא ממשניות, לא שום דבר לא! לא משניות, לא גמרא, לא חומש, רק - המעשה הוא העיקר! אנחנו יודעים שתורה זה העיקר! תורה... אני הייתי... אני...
Don't they have any respect for the man? Should they embarrass a 94-year old man as to let him speak under such circumstances? And they think that this opinion should be followed and publicized? May G-d have mercy.
H,
ReplyDeleteWhat do you want from the man? R' Shach was probably a gilgul of the Sanzer...
y.w. editor:
ReplyDeleteIt's good you believe what he writes in his own tzava'a, like why should we trust him.
And don't you think that when they wheeled out the Rebbe Nasi Dayraynu in a wheelchair that was a little crazy?
ReplyDeleteAt least R' Shach states in his will that he did Teshuva.
Tzig: Shame on you.
Gilgul of the Sanzer? please. Even he didn't hallucinate that much. Maybe he thought he was the Brisker Rov, but not the SR.
ReplyDeleteHT
ReplyDeleteI guess this means the truce from Friday is over? No more working with your Litvisher friends?
That was over faster than peace with Hamas!
y.w. editor:
ReplyDeleteit's good you re-iterated the nonsense which was just refuted.
wow! what a patheic מרן !
ReplyDeleteThere's a story told about the Heiliger Czerkaser n"e. How he onced chanced upon the home of a Misnaged and to his surprise noticed the Sefer Meor Ainayim from his Zeide the Heilige Reb Nochum of Czernobyl bound together with עליות אלי'הו of the GR"O. He took out a knife and sliced apart the Seforim saying:
ReplyDeleteאיינער וואס מקבל געווען לשון הרע אויף מיין זיידען אז ער האט ר"ל בועל ארמית געווען טאר זיין ספר נישט
ליגען מיט'ן זיידענ'ס ספר
How much more so, when we see that a Yid who hadn't reached the GR"O's level, is Mekabel Loshon Horah and מוציא שם רע that was easily verifiable, are we to respect him?
right on, twerski.
ReplyDeleteJust like we in Lubavitch need to utterly reject the mechanical dribble that emanates from the yellow flag horde so to our Litvisheh brothers should reject this refuse and pick better role models. There are plenty of great Gedolim from the Yeshivasheh world to look up to Harav Aryeh Levin, Harav Moshe Feinstein, Harav Efraim Yolles to mention a few.
ReplyDeleteThe ranting and lies from this charlatan and hatemonger are clear. Lubavitch never learnt Torah? No Mishnayos? No Gemara? No Chumash? Really now?!?!?
See I always wondered what it was that so infuriated many Lubavitcher Chasidim when they heard his name. I often thought that the anger on our part was a bit exaggerated. I see now I was dead wrong. This is the “godol hador”? Someone who can’t even tell a half-truth?!? I learnt in five Lubavitcher Yeshivos , in each and everyone there were great masmidim and there were weaker bochrim who didn’t learn as much as they should. This is true in Yeshivos from every group in in the Frummeh Kehilah. But to write off a entire segment of Torah observant yidden because you have an issue with their leader?!?!
Wow, I am shocked! Find a “Maran” that abides by the age-old adage of “ Veyahavta Lereacha Komocho” or an even more important one …………”Midvar SHEKER Tirchok”!!
Moreinu HaRav Schach, the towering tzaddik of our dor, has earned his exalted place in shomayim. The sniping at him and nitpicking of a few relative midgets in Brooklyn cannot take that away.
ReplyDeleteIf only for the vital role he played in opposing the Lubavitcher messianic madness, that alone would earn him a great reward. Kal vachomer, since he did other great deeds over the years, is his position and reward assured.
Let us thank Hakodosh Boruch Hu for sending us such a great manhig and be mispaleil that we should be zoiche to have similar great leaders in the future.
Tzigele, where he is now, in whatever darga of . . . Zein nefesh zicher hot charota . . .
ReplyDeleteHis words are rather pathetic though.
snag2:
ReplyDeleteIf you have any feelings for the man, have some Rachmonus, and don't mention these idiotic ideas in his name. Think about what his Neshama goes through when hate is based on him, now that he sees the truth.
amazing how all of you know so much of what goes on "upstaires"!
ReplyDeletecan i give you guys a name with שם אמו to look up for me???
hey lets call a spade spade. the man got refused from kfar chabad as magid shiur and from then on he hated Chabad.
ReplyDeletehe hated them with a passion he would die for his hate for chabad.any occasion he had to spew his lies and hatred he did so.
he was a gilgul of trotsky.
Snag2,
ReplyDeleteWith such "leaders" Klal Yisroel needs a huge yeshua.....let me ask you a question, do you personaly believe that all Lubavitcher Chasidim are am horatzim and kofrim? Do you really believe that we all have no idea how to open up a sefer and learn? Tell me please, I want to know what you personaly think.
Did anybody notice the date???
ReplyDeletetheres a cheirem against inslting or judging the dead...and he is really dead, not like ur rebbe
ReplyDeleteSnag2,
ReplyDeleteWhy is he “the towering tzaddik of our dor”??? Why not Rav Moshe or Harav Pam? Why is the most rabid, radical rosh yeshiva in the Litvisheh world the one that is the most respected? Open your eyes and see the situation today in Eretz Yisroel.
Because of his outright disregard to the “Mi Yehudi” problem. He helped create a situation where literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of outright goyim are living in Eretz Yisroel and made an already deteriorating spiritual spiral many times worst.
You think that a “sodom pride parade” happens on its own? You create a goyisheh atmosphere by allowing in more and more goyim to pollute the holiness of Eretz Yisroel. So this Friday when your fuming at the disgrace taking place in Yerushaliam Iyr Hakodesh just remember that your dear “towering tzaddik of our dor” stood against the Lubavitcher Rebbe when HE foresaw the problems that would come from the “Mi Yehudi” debate.
This is just one example of many how your “godol hador” actively helped the problems facing Klal Yisroel today grow.
Any honest person who was alive at the time knows that Rav Shach was really a nobody until he, for whatever reason, decided to lead the charge against Lubavitch (and derech HaBaal Shem Tov bchlal). To call him the gadol hador was a joke then just as it is now; I mean afterall, his entire gadlus ligt nor in zein tzurikeinflantzen machlokes hamisnagdim.
ReplyDeleteLet the man rest in piece - he was never more than a pashute anti, that probably knew how to learn enough to have a nice shtender in Ponevizh. Bid deal.
JB,
ReplyDeleteYou are a Lubavitcher, it's obvious from the above comment.
''Any honest person who was alive at the time knows that Rav Shach was really a nobody until he, for whatever reason, decided to lead the charge against Lubavitch ''
A)He was one one of the very few to recieve a haskomoh from the Brisker Rov, are you that ignorant to think the BR gave haskomos to 'nobodies'???
B)Why do you think the Ponovitzer Rov chose him to be a magid shiur in his yeshiva, together with some of the premier maggidei shiur of the day, such as R'Dovid Povarsky, R'Shmuel Rozovsky and Rav Dessler (who was niftar shortly after Rav Shach joined)because he was a 'nobody'
C)Do you think a yid who learned non stop for o ninty years is a 'nobody?
I guess you do.That's my problem with Lubavitch and that's what Rav Shach meant when he said Lubavitcher don't learn:Learning is of little importance and so is respect for talmidei chachomim .This by no means everybody in Lubavitch:there are still some talmidei chachomim and some who respect torah learning, but the general ruach is such
Spade: As far as I know, he wanted to apply to the Yeshiva in Lud.
ReplyDeleteZezmir: I did notice the date.
Yehudah: K'mayim Panim l'panim . . . you claim that we have know respect for talmedei Chachomim -yet you're talmud chachochim was . . .
Yehudah, its good you said not everyone in Lubavitch does'nt learn. You did yourself a service by not generalizing. I think you are wrong about the Ruach. It depends on the Yeshiva. Some Lubavitcher Yeshivos like Detroit and France have very strong masmidim there that poshut shteig yomom volailah.
ReplyDeleteI am still waiting to hear what snag2 has to say.
yehudah,
ReplyDeleteBe honest, in what way was he greater than his lesser-known colleagues in Ponivezh gufoh? Was he greater 'in learning' than Rav Povarsky? By all accounts - no. Is he today revered for leaving an indelible mark in learning like other gedeilei Teiroh? By all accounts – no (even in yeshivishe circles he is most often praised for his hasmodoh, not for his brilliance). So why pray tell was he singled out for geduloh among all others equally or more worthy, if not for his political activism?
This is what people mean by saying 'he was a nobody before his war on Lubavitch', not that he was a 'nobody' that couldn't learn a a blat gemore.
מרן ראש הישיבה הי' לו "עין הבדולח" והוא ראה ברוח קדשו מה שיעבור על תנועת חב"ד בעוד כמה שנים. תגידו תודה ותבקשו מחילה ממנו
ReplyDeleteyehudah,
ReplyDeleteLet me re-phrase my last comment:
He would be as well known today as any Rosh Yeshivoh min hashuroh (and not even as one of the ‘greats’) and his unique stature in the Litvishe velt was earned strictly through his political activism and mostly for his willingness to 'take Lubavitch on'. Do you disagree?
Thank you Berl for explaining - that is exactly what I trying to say.
ReplyDeleteAs was written in this here blog before:
ReplyDeleteThe Yated prides itself that Reb Lazer was the one to take on Chabad, (at the behest of the Steipler?) although it wasn't popular. He was chosen to sit on the MGH simply because of his political prowess.
It was a simple choice: live in relative obscurity by remaining Rosh Yeshivah only, like Reb Dovid Povarski and Reb Shmuel Rozovski, or become a " velt's Godeyl " by enetering politics. What would you do?
Berl and jb
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to get bogged down and am not the person to judge different talmidei chachomim:I would also agree that Rav Shach was known more as an 'amkan' that a classic 'iluy' and was almost a 'chad bedoroh' when it came to non stop learning through all of his life (a talmid of is (now deceased but would be 70) told me that he remembers the way Rav Shach walked to yeshiva oblivious of everything but learning and saying 'excuse me' when he bumped into a telephone pole)
I just want to address the 'was a nobody till...' taynah.Let me remind you that few people knew who the Rebbe was till he assumed the mantle of Chabad,till then he was known as a quite and unassuming man.
The one thing Rav Shach and the Rebbe shared was activism both could have led a very fulfilling life by learning 20 hours a day and taking no 'ol hatzibbur' on themselves.The sign of an odom godol is one who takes such a task when clal yisroel calls.
One last point:I think there is a certain lack of judgement and mentlichkeit by seeking to besmirch a deceased person on their yohrtzeit .
"One last point:I think there is a certain lack of judgement and mentlichkeit by seeking to besmirch a deceased person on their yohrtzeit."
ReplyDeleteI see Yehuda that you didn't read the Yated after the Rebbe's Histalkus.
yehuda
ReplyDeleteYou can say chad bedura till tommorrow, he left us seforim so we can analyze them,Reb Shmuel is the reebe of all roshie yeshivoth and magidie shiur in eretz yisroel, his style in learning became a classic, Reb dovid seforim are beutiful work, his seforim are noting unique about them, his Machshove is a disaster, vs. dessler shmulevitz,
so we get back to his activisim in creating a Ben Tora with no Torah, Daas torah with no Torah and Torah daily with no torah, Kashrus with 70% scandals of triefa.
Btw. must hasmoda stories is his own...
Bnei braq,
ReplyDeleteIt’s a pity that his so-called “ruach hakodesh” didn’t extend passed uncovering the “truth” about Lubavitch.
Had he been right about “Mi Yehudi” there would be a lot less irreverence taking place in Eretz Hakodesh (and a lot less pork and x-mass lights being sold in Tel Aviv).
Had he been right about “giving up land for peace” there would be a lot less blown up Jewish children in the cemeteries.
And thank the Ribbonoh Shel Olom that he was dead wrong about the holocaust r’l that was supposed to take during the first gulf war in 1991. (Oh, and who was right about no Jew will be killed due to the scuds? The Tzaddik he dared call a kofer r’l)
I see no tzaddik, ben torah nor a leader of the Jewish people when I see this man. I can only see a bitter old man so filled with odium and abhorrence to an entire sector of Klal Yisroel.
And let me be clear, there are plenty of Talmidie Chachomim and Bnei Torah in the Litvisheh Velt that have my utmost respect and admiration. Just not the ones that seek to harm their fellow Yidden.
"(a talmid of is (now deceased but would be 70) told me that he remembers the way Rav Shach walked to yeshiva oblivious of everything but learning and saying 'excuse me' when he bumped into a telephone pole)"
ReplyDeleteAnd Reb Yoel Kahn walked to 770 with a trash bag on his shoulder.
U'kyedua the jokes -a 'Litvak' (we can't say misnaged) once walked with his eyes closed so as not to see the pritzus on the streets . . . he bumped into a tree and said 'I'm sorry ma'am.'
Let's state one more time for the record:
ReplyDeleteJust because this man and a few like-minded individuals are held in contempt by the Lubavitcher Chassidim, it doesn’t mean one can draw sweeping generalizations on how Lubavitchers feel about talmidei chachomim outside of their immediate circle. In fact, there is a great deal of respect in Lubavitch for talmidei chachomim bichelal and Livtvishe talmidei chachomim biferat.
Hirshel Tzig said...
ReplyDelete"One last point:I think there is a certain lack of judgement and mentlichkeit by seeking to besmirch a deceased person on their yohrtzeit."
I see Yehuda that you didn't read the Yated after the Rebbe's Histalkus.
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I did not read the Yated then, but even if the Yated did right with disrespect, does that give make you also right?
Basically with your post you are giving others a cart blanche to write disrespectfully about the Rebbe.What especially bothered me was doing this on his yohrtzait
I want to apologize to all my fans here for not responding yesterday. I couldn't get in here, due to problems with Blogger. Forgive me for making you guys wait in vain.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I don't want people to think, chas vesholem, that shesika kihoyado'oh, that I chas vesholom agree to the bizui of Moreinu HaGaon Hatzaddik, ateres rosheinu, ztvk"l. I am moiche zayer shtark on this terrible chillul Hashem and sinah to Moreinu kedoish Yisroel.
Limayseh, men ken zich dingen on etliche zachen fun Moreinu zt"l. Even Moishe Rabbeinu was not 100% perfect. But do you say that Moishe Rabbeinu was a nothing since he wasn't perfect ? Chas vesholem ! Moreinu was a great man, maybe he sometimes, in his kanous LaHashem Tzivokos, seemed from our perspective to err, but we have to realize what the matzav was when he said such things, many people in Eretz Yisroel were, Rachmono litzlon, almost ready to accept a Moshiach sheker, so Moreinu felt he had to speak out strongly. Someone who is stands up for kovod shomayim at such a crucial time and saves klal Yisroel from a Moshiach sheker, avader becomes nisaleh bieinei Hakodosh Boruch Hu and bieinei the hamon, afilu asach mer than he was before, so mimeileh he has become so famous and revered, it's not a wonder.
Yehi zichroi boruch.
"...we have to realize what the matzav was when he said such things, many people in Eretz Yisroel were, Rachmono litzlon, almost ready to accept a Moshiach sheker, so Moreinu felt he had to speak out strongly."
ReplyDeleteThis paean to a derived "nevuah" fails the ha!-ha! test. Show us any public remarks made by REMMS pre Nun-Gimel that mentioned the Rebbe in association with "Moshiach sheker". I was aware of the contorversies then and the Moshiach issue was never among them. His complaints had to do with what he perceived and decried as "Bittul Torah" involved in mivtzoyim and outreach work.
The selection included by HT in this posting perfectly captures what I recall being published in the Yated during the period from Mem-Ches to Nun-Beis. He then subsequently lashed out against the Piskei Din of Rav Yaakov Landa ZT"L regarding Bor al-gabei bor" mikvaos, thereby rendering all who use such mikvaos Bo'alei Niddah AND being mevazeh the previous Rav of B'nei Braq, one who Rav. Kahanemann held in high esteem during his days.
Those who claim that REMMS was opposing any "Moshiach Sheker" at that time are trying to rewrite history and are, to put it mildly, lying.
It's bavust that the issue of Lubavitchers pushing the Rebbe as Moshiach on people was in the background, for many years, and getting worse as time goes by.
ReplyDeleteIt was so obvious and well known that it didn't have to be mentioned explicitly.
Ein hochi nami, there were other issues too, but how can you say that moshichius was not involved ? Why even after bosi ligani, in the beginning of the Rebbe's reign, moshichius was an issue with the Litvishe velt. Kal vachoimer as time went on.
Sorry, no sale.
ReplyDelete"It's bavust..." is a typical Yeshivishe dodge when no source can be readily found.
"Lubavitchers pushing the Rebbe as Moshiach on people was in the background, for many years"...and publicly opposed by the Rebbe for as many years. If the Rebbe was Mocheh then he cannot be accused of allowing it to go on.
"Ein hochi nami" Go learn a gemara for real. It is "Ee hachi, nami..."
"how can you say that moshichius was not involved?" Because REMMS never mentioned it AND the Rebbe was mocheh whenever it came up.
Again, you are trying to rewrite history, by making Der Vabolniker Masmid a Navi that he was not. In so doing you are Mesaleif Divrei Tzaddikim. And I leave you on a good note.
Two outstanding qualities of chabad, implanted in them by the Rebbe, is to be mevazah torah and Gedoli torah and that is his legacy. Continue in your path of following your Rebbes teachings.
ReplyDelete5th Yohrtzeit of Moron zt"l
ReplyDeleteMamesh like Gimmel Tammuz at the Ohel!
:)
anonymous:
ReplyDeleteTwo outstanding qualities of chabad, implanted in them by the Rebbe, is to be mevazah torah and Gedoli torah and that is his legacy. Continue in your path of following your Rebbes teachings.
Is that what they taught you in Peekskill?
Let's stipulate that indeed his only reason for heferu torosecho was in order to stop people from believing in a "Meshiach sheker". Let's even avoid the question of how, in those days before '54, he could possibly have known that this Moshiach was sheker, and not in fact the real deal; we'll stipulate that somehow he knew this. So he saw people beginning to be drawn after someone they thought was Moshiach, and he knew, somehow, that this person wasn't really the Moshiach, and the only way he could avoid this terrible tragedy was to open up the spigots of sin'ah, loshon hora, sheker, bizuy t"ch, bizuy habriyos, etc. For "kevod shamayim", to avoid a "meshiach sheker", it's all allowed, Eis laasos.
ReplyDeleteSo tell me this: what exactly would be so terrible if people did believe in a "meshiach sheker"? Suppose he didn't embark on this campaign, and as a result thousands of Jews mistakenly believed that a certain bosor vodam was the Moshiach, when in fact he wasn't. Iz vos? Which of the 613 mitzvos, which of the 13 ikkarim, which se'if in Shulchan Aruch, would they be violating? Where is there a shemetz of a hint, anywhere in the vast library of halacha and hashkafah, that there's something wrong in making R Akiva's mistake, and following someone who turns out not to be the moshiach? When did "meshiach sheker" become a bogey-man, when did "do not follow a moshiach sheker" become an ikkar in Judaism?
That's why I say kol haposel bemumo posel, and the one who famously proclaimed that Chabad is a new religion is in fact the one who invented a new religion, chadoshim mikorov bo'u, lo se'orum avosenu. If the Meshichisten have added their "yechi" as a 14th ikkar, the Misnagdim have equally added as a 14th ikkar that one must deny it. Me, I'm happy with 13.
to Anon.
ReplyDeleteon whose side are the rabblerouser in Ponevizh? Whoms talmidim?
Is that what they taught you in Peekskill?
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Er lernt in Peekskill? I'd have taken him for a Creedmoorer!
do I know? I just picked a town that has a Yeshivah out of a proverbial hat.
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""Ein hochi nami" Go learn a gemara for real. It is "Ee hachi, nami..."
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to the nun then? Is it a silent nun ???
"So tell me this: what exactly would be so terrible if people did believe in a "meshiach sheker"?"
Have you ever heard of Shabbesai Tzvi yemach shmoi vizichroi ? Did Yidden not learn anything from that and similar messes caused by Moshichei sheker ? At least Rabbeinu hagodol knew that sugya well.
"Even Moishe Rabbeinu was not 100% perfect."
ReplyDeleteYES HE WAS!!! I'm sick of reading these statements on blogs. He was perfect! And the Rebbe too! Perfect is not the same as omnipotent or omnipresent. Midrash says (if i remember correctly- chetzyo l'matah ish, chetzyo l'maylah elokim. But you are right, maran was not perfect.
Why is anyone surprised that Lubavitchers detest someone that insulted the Rebbe? There is no discussion here.
"The one thing Rav Shach and the Rebbe shared was activism both could have led a very fulfilling life by learning 20 hours a day and taking no 'ol hatzibbur' on themselves.The sign of an odom godol is one who takes such a task when clal yisroel calls."
That is the most insulting and cockameyme thing I have read in my life. The Rebbe's 'ol hatzibur' is the reason me, my family, my wife's family and almost half the people I know are shomerTorah and Mitzvos. maran's 'ol hatzibur' was in the direction of putting an end to that ch"v.
So when Chazal tell us about various mistakes that Tzaddikim make, what do you think that means?
ReplyDelete"?!איפה הכיפה שלו
ReplyDeleteHe's not wearing one in the in the picture."
The same place the Rebbe's yarmulka is in his own old picture in his youth. At one time people had to take official pictures like that.
I don't know. The gemorah says- tzadikim yetzer tov shoftam. Yetzer tov influences everything they do.
ReplyDeleteMaarava
ReplyDeleteIf the Rebbe was perfect, who got Chabad into the meshichist mess?
do I know? I just picked a town that has a Yeshivah out of a proverbial hat.
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Otisville NY has a yeshiva where you can be yoishev anywhere from a year and a day to over twenty years :).
I hear there's a great Daf Yomi shiur in the slammer.....
ReplyDeleteL'chvoid Harav Ba'al Hamechaber Haposts B'shem snag2 Shlit"a Amus"h
ReplyDeletei vunder zich why in order to get a point across, lmayseh, it must be written in "yishivishe shprach". Does that efsher work to make words Hamavhilim Es Harayon sound a little more Hegyonosdik. I don;t think it works
snag2: Yes, I have heard of SZ YSh. Now can you tell me what exactly was the problem with him, why he gets a YSh, why his followers were michutz lamachneh? Hint: it had nothing to do with believing him to be the moshiach. If a person today, who appears to be 100% shomer mitzvos and complete in his emunah, were to chap a mishegas that SZ was the moshiach after all, and that all the stories about him are simply made up, that person would be doing nothing wrong, and would remain just as kosher a Jew as he was until then.
ReplyDeleteThere is no issur whatsoever in believing that SZ is the moshiach, or that Yoizel is the moshiach, or even that I am the moshiach; you can call it a mishegas, but you have no right to read such a person out of klal yisroel hashlemim. And when you do so, not just to one mishugener but to thousands of good Jews, who are every bit as good as you - and in fact far better than you then it is you who have invented a new religion, and it is you who has a perverted hashkofo, which is nothing short of ziyuf hatorah. And if your rabeim and "gedolim" have taught you such hatred, then they are no gedolim at all, and do not deserve any respect; rather they deserve to be despised and spat upon, just as you do. They are the sectarians, the perverters of the mesorah, the inventers of new doctrines which our fathers never knew, and if anyone is to be regarded as michutz lamachaneh it is they.
Bottom line: anyone who refuses on principle to eat from Lubavitcher shochtim, and certainly anyone who tells others that they should not eat from Lubavitcher shochtim, he should starve to death.
WADR, Bobby-I have discussed Chabad rooted messianism with enough Chabadniks, in person and on web, to be convinced that rational debate with them is a useless exercise in intellectual rope a dope on the issue of messianism within Chabad and its influence therein.I have seen the full gamut of reactions from messianists that run from active denigration of Talmidie Chachamim such as R D Berger and others to denial that messianism is an issue to claims that basically take credit for any successes in kiruv and Torah in the USA-all of which are highly devoid of facts and which transgress many Torah prohibitions. I should comment that one Chabadnik was intellectually honest to admit to me that the movement is overwhelmingly messianist in make-up and that messianist spokesmen either smile and deny that it exists or engage in attacks that I would characterize as "shoot the messenger." FWIW, none less than E Elyashiv views the shechitah of a messianist as treife/passul afilu bdieved.
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I see that "Steve Brizel" has a strong following here. Very nice for Steve.
ReplyDeleterav schach actually had the foresight to call a spade a spade- lubavitch a gang of crazies before anyone else pereived it- it wasn`t eay for him, nor appreciated- but now we know- the man was a navi!
ReplyDeleteTo Snag2 and any others who may know: In all seriousness, who of any other Gedolim in any other Dor was referred to as "Maran Harav ...." even in the litvishe yeshivishe world? Can you explain to me what he did to merit the reference "Manhig hador" and "Rashkebahag"? I would really like to know.
ReplyDeleteMoisheD
ReplyDeletewhat's so difficult to understand? If the whole world stands on your Teyrehlearning then you get the privilege of deciding who in your world is the RaSHKeBeHaG etc.
YES HE WAS!!! I'm sick of reading these statements on blogs. He was perfect! And the Rebbe too! Perfect is not the same as omnipotent or omnipresent. Midrash says (if i remember correctly- chetzyo l'matah ish, chetzyo l'maylah elokim. But you are right, maran was not perfect.
ReplyDeleteNo he wasn't. Her was all too human. And his chassidim on this blog wrote evil, absurd loshon hara because Rav Shach stated that their Rebbe was a false Messiah.
What's wrong with being a false Messiah? Gee. What was wrong with Yoshke? What did he violate? Look at the posts of Ariel Sokolovsky. Look at the rants of the sonei Hashem poseted on this thread. The anti-Torah hashkafa is palpable.
Rav shach was not accepted into Lubavitch to be a Maggid shiur? Even if this was not a Lubavitch myth, maybe that means Lubavitch did not GET him? RAV SHACH DID NOT KNOW HOW TO LEARN?!?! DID YOU SEE AVI EZRI?!?!
He was one of the preeminent talmidim of the Brisker Rav. he was the rosh Yeshiva of one of the best Yeshivos in the world. He wrote on almost every sugya in shas.
The Rebbe did not encourage Messianism? Look it up. There is a video on Youtube which exposes his encouragement. There is nothing wrong with that? Then what did Yoshke do wrong? What did Shabbetai Tzvi do wrong?
It is known to those who are honest that other Roshei Yeshiva had deep suspicions about the Tebbe. Deeper thinkers, bigger talmidei chachomim, greater tzadikim--these Roshei Yeshiva saw through the Rebbe. Only Rav Shach had the guts to stand up to filthy, vile, disgusting sonei Hashem like you to defend the glory of Hashem.
The sheer amount of vitriol and lies is beyond anything I saw in my entire life. You go from looking at him as an am horetz to thinking he had an agenda. The Rebbe could not learn nearly as well as he. The Rebbe was average in comparion to any of these greats. And while he is burning in the deep pits of hell together with Yoshke, he is looking up at you filthy pigs and crying about the fact that he can no longer to teshuva.
Repent for the sake of your savior, vermin.
מרן ראש הישיבה הי' לו "עין הבדולח" והוא ראה ברוח קדשו מה שיעבור על תנועת חב"ד בעוד כמה שנים. תגידו תודה ותבקשו מחילה ממנו
ReplyDeleteWednesday, November 08, 2006 2:45:00 PM
wow its amazing to see that Maran is now being praised as a man of Ruach Hakodesh. All right so you already believe you have a Navi If you have a Navi how come the rebbe can't be moshiach. I can almost promise that one of the Gedolim one of these days is going to become moshiach. Snags go learn your history and what your people like the Gra had to say about statements like Rav Shach was a tzaddik, and "He had Ruach Hakodesh" and the partying that goes on at his tziyun please the Gedolim of Amol would PUKE. I would like for them to have a new class in Ponovitch called how to be a real Snag, where they will teach what gedolim had to say about the minhagim they THEMSELVES have copied from chassidim I will stop before I start getting profane.
Hirshel Tzig, I'd like to make a couple of comments here:
ReplyDelete1. First of all, where did you get these קטעים נבחרים from? I have not found them anywhere in R Shach's Michtavim U'Maamarim, and R' Shach does not say any of these things on the links you provided?
2. Regarding all those commenting on R' Shach's "hate" for Chabad (and Chassidus in general), I think the following quotes are informative (A lot of this stuff I put up on Wikipedia a while ago):
Rav Shach wrote [A] that he was not at all opposed to chassidim and chassidus (including Chassidus Chabad from the previous generations[B]); he said he recognized them as "yera'im" and "shlaymim" (God-fearing and wholesome) and full of Torah and Mitzvos and fear of heaven.[C] Shach often said and wrote that the slander spread against him about his persecution of chassidim was something he could never forgive, for it had transformed him into a baal machlokes, a disputant, at a time when he loved peace and pursued it to the nth degree.[D] He is quoted as saying, "We are fighting against secularism in the yeshivas. Today, with Heaven's help, people are learning Torah in both Chassidic and Lithuanian yeshivos. In my view there is no difference between them; all of them are important and dear to me. In fact, go ahead and ask your Chassidic friends with us at Ponevezh if I distinguish between Chassidic and Lithuanian bochurim."[E] In a letter which was printed together with his responsa and essays, he writes, "G-d forbid that it be said that there exists a controversy between misnagdim and chassidim. This is pure intentional maligning and hatemongering . . . a reprehensible sin, which cannot be pardoned. I do not forgive this libel, and all the students who studied with us can testify that we never differentiated or discriminated between chassidic students and yeshivish ones. Each one respects the other." [F]
Rabbi Shach always showed great respect toward Chassidic bochurim who studied well.[G]
A. Michtavim U'Maamaromim 5:533 (pg. 137)
B. Michtavim U'Maamorim 2:23 (pg. 31) 1986 edition.
C. Michtavim U'Maamaromim 5:534 (pg. 138)
D. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5766/eikev/olubvlornczekv66.htm
E. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5763/TZR63features2.htm
F. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5766/BHL66features2.htm
G. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5763/TZR63features2.htm
3. I think it's also important to note that R' Shach's tzidkus and his gadlus in Torah was recognized by many other well-respected gedolim:
In 1982, Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetsky, Rabbi Yaakov Yitzchok Ruderman, and others signed a document which protested the slander being said about Rabbi Shach. The document protested "the slander and vituperation [being leveled] against one of the greatest of our generation's gedolim, the elder of the roshei hayeshivos in Eretz Yisroel, who raises the banner of daas Torah high and expresses the Torah's views on every matter relating to Klal Yisroel."[22]
Whenever it would come to signing a public proclamation or letter on behalf of Klal Yisrael, the Steipler insisted that Rav Shach's signature appear before his. It was not uncommon for the Steipler to come to Rav Shach unannounced in order to consult with him on a matter of vital concern for the Jewish people. [23] Rabbi Shlesinger, son-in-law of Rabbi Shlomo Lorenzc, lived in Bnei Brak and served as an emissary between Rav Schach and the Steipler. On many occasions, when Rabbi Shlesinger would bring the Steipler documents and letters from Rabbi Schach to sign, the Steipler would sign them without even reading them. [24]The Steipler constantly said that since Rav Schach did not move daled amos without Torah, the Ribono shel Olam gave him the ability to pasken in every aspect of this generation’s needs.[25]
Rabbi Shmuel Berenbaum had wanted so much l’achar mei’ah v’esrim shanah to speak in learning with Rav Shach, zt’l, and Rav Moshe Feinstein, zt’l. But he was concerned that since they were tremendous tzadikim and had suffered greatly, he would not be put within their sphere in Shamayim. He felt he needed yesurim to reach their madreigah. [27]
"Rabbi Shach is the Gadol Hador.” [28] - Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky
The Brisker Rav, Rabbi Yitzchok Zev Soloveitchik once mentioned to a close student that since his father, Rabbi Chaim Soloveitchik, passed away, he had no one with whom to “talk in learning” until he met Rabbi Shach. [28] In his approbation to Avi Ezri, Rabbi Shach's work on the Rambam, the Brisker Rav wrote, "The gaon Rav Elozor Menachem, shlita, does not need any haskomoh from anyone, for he is a very great man and his power in Torah is great, [together] with acuity, thorough knowledge and a profound understanding of the pshat, on the level of the gedolim of our generation."
"Ha’emes ahuv etzlo, Truth is precious to him"[28] - The Chazon Ish, Rabbi Avrohom Yeshaya Karelitz
". . .since my relative, the Gaon Rav Eliezer Shach shlita joined the yeshiva as a maggid shiur, and I have it on reliable information from members of that Yeshiva that the learning is on a superior level especially now that my above relative has been accepted there, for he is great in Torah and influencing others in Torah "[29] - Rabbi Aron Kotler in a letter to Rabbi Chaim Ozer Grodzensky
"Rav Shach shmekt ois. Rav Shach can sense a dangerous situation much quicker than I can."[30]- Rabbi Shlomo Freifeld
"You should ask HaRav Shach. His guiding, primary axiom is daas Torah."[31] "Yad, yad, peh, peh. His hand is my hand and his mouth is my mouth. Whatever he says or writes is as if it were coming from me." [32] "I do not know how HaRav Shach studies. But one thing I am sure of: his initial impression is the psak halocho. He does not have to look it up in any sefer, just ask him the question and the first thing he tells you is the psak halocho." [33] - the Steipler, Rabbi Yaakov Yisrael Kanievsky
"If you would cut his veins, you would not see blood flowing; you would see Rashbas and Rav Akiva Eigers!"[32] "His limud is my amulet." [34]- Rabbi Isser Zalman Meltzer
"If Maran R' Shach is willing to join, he is no lesser versed in halochoh than in the chidushei Torah upon which he expounds in his yeshiva. He is a gaon beyond compare, and if he takes it upon himself to deal in halochoh, he will be the greatest of poskim."[35] - Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach
"I bear full witness that the Rosh Yeshiva was an averred hater of controversy and dissension; he despised it. One cannot describe to what extent it was abhorrent to him. He was an extreme pursuer of truth but without allowing any forgoing of kvod Shomayim in the least. He would not permit any leniency on fundamental, ideological issues of Torah and Yiddishkeit; these were things relegated to a trustworthy heart . . . Maran said to me, `This can I testify before the Heavenly Court: I dealt with communal matters with honesty and trustworthiness.' "[20] "My father and rebbi zt"l [Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach] said Am Yisroel has not had such a leader for many generations, and I heard the same thing said by Rabban Shel Kol Bnei HaGoloh Maran HaRav Elyashiv shlita [Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv]. I heard this from both of them on several occasions. . . Once somebody asked avi mori gaon Yisroel [Rabbi S.Z. Auerbach] regarding a certain directive Rabbeinu Hagadol zt"l had issued. My father got very angry and told him that despite everything we know about Maran and his achievements and the strength of his decisions and approach, more of him remains hidden than revealed, and he is considered a tzaddik nistar. - [36]Rabbi Shmuel Auerbach
"If someone takes the burden of the klal upon himself, it stems from concern for each and every individual. We find this with the gedolim. . . This means that although the foundation of our life and vitality is certainly limud hatorah, where there is no one to make the dejected happy, the Torah itself obligates those who study it to go and cheer them up. The Rosh Yeshiva of Ponevezh, Rav Shach zt"l, personified this. He was the father for individuals and therefore carried the burden of the klal." [37] - Rabbi Moshe Shmuel Shapiro
20. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5766/BHL66features2.htm
22. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5764/VYR64features2.htm
23. Sunset: Stories of Our Contemporary Torah Luminaries, Zt"l, and Their Spiritual Heroism. Page 175. By Hanoch Teller, Marsi Tabak Published by Feldheim Publishers, 1987
24. http://www.tzemachdovid.org/gedolim/ravshach3.html
25. http://www.tzemachdovid.org/gedolim/ravshach3.html
27. http://www.5tjt.com/news/read.asp?Id=1972
28. http://www.shemayisrael.com/jewishobserver/archives/feb/biography.htm
29. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5762/chayesara/CS62aravshachbio.htm
30. Reb Shlomo - The life and legacy of Rabbi Shlomo Freifeld by Rabbi Yisroel Besser . pg. 126. Judaica Press. Publish Date: 2008-06-12.
31. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/EKV66features.htm
32. http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/jewishobserver/archives/feb/biography.htm
33. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5766/lech/LCH66features2.htm
34. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5763/LL63features4.htm
35. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5766/eikev/olubvlornczekv66.htm
36. [This article used to be on matzav.com website, not sure why it was removed]
37. You Can Make the Difference pg. 378 By C R Wagschal Published by Feldheim Publishers, 2007
4.Camp Runamok wrote earlier,
"This paean to a derived "nevuah" fails the ha!-ha! test. Show us any public remarks made by REMMS pre Nun-Gimel that mentioned the Rebbe in association with "Moshiach sheker". I was aware of the contorversies then and the Moshiach issue was never among them."
CR's comments are totally inaccurate. See, for example, Michtavim U'maamarim 5:569 (173) (which was from a speech in 1992 by R' Shach).
Also, in Rabbi Berel Wein's book "Faith and Fate: The Story of the Jewish People in the 20th century" (pg. 340):
"He objected to Rav Schneerson's call for "forcing" the Messiah's appearance. When Rav Schneerson's followers identified him as possibly being the Messiah, Rav Shach called for a complete boycott of Chabad, its institutions and projects by its constituents."
CR also writes, "He then subsequently lashed out against the Piskei Din of Rav Yaakov Landa ZT"L regarding Bor al-gabei bor mikvaos, thereby rendering all who use such mikvaos Bo'alei Niddah. . ."
This is also sheker, see the book "Defenders of the Faith: Inside Ultra-Orthodox Jewry." (pg. 304)where R' Shach is quoted: "And when they claimed that I called them the children of an impure woman, I testify before heaven and earth that I never said words such as these but only criticized their effort to build a ritual bath that was not in line with the standards of the Chazon Ish, may the memory of this righteous man be a blessing... I do not forgive anyone who fabricates words on his own and then says that I said them. And with this I request that each and every one will pass these words to his fellow."
Hirshel Tzig, I'd like to make a couple of comments here:
ReplyDelete1. First of all, where did you get these קטעים נבחרים from? I have not found them anywhere in R Shach's Michtavim U'Maamarim, and R' Shach does not say any of these things on the links you provided?
2. Regarding all those commenting on R' Shach's "hate" for Chabad (and Chassidus in general), I think the following quotes are informative (A lot of this stuff I put up on Wikipedia a while ago):
Rav Shach wrote [A] that he was not at all opposed to chassidim and chassidus (including Chassidus Chabad from the previous generations[B]); he said he recognized them as "yera'im" and "shlaymim" (God-fearing and wholesome) and full of Torah and Mitzvos and fear of heaven.[C] Shach often said and wrote that the slander spread against him about his persecution of chassidim was something he could never forgive, for it had transformed him into a baal machlokes, a disputant, at a time when he loved peace and pursued it to the nth degree.[D] He is quoted as saying, "We are fighting against secularism in the yeshivas. Today, with Heaven's help, people are learning Torah in both Chassidic and Lithuanian yeshivos. In my view there is no difference between them; all of them are important and dear to me. In fact, go ahead and ask your Chassidic friends with us at Ponevezh if I distinguish between Chassidic and Lithuanian bochurim."[E] In a letter which was printed together with his responsa and essays, he writes, "G-d forbid that it be said that there exists a controversy between misnagdim and chassidim. This is pure intentional maligning and hatemongering . . . a reprehensible sin, which cannot be pardoned. I do not forgive this libel, and all the students who studied with us can testify that we never differentiated or discriminated between chassidic students and yeshivish ones. Each one respects the other." [F]
Rabbi Shach always showed great respect toward Chassidic bochurim who studied well.[G]
A. Michtavim U'Maamaromim 5:533 (pg. 137)
B. Michtavim U'Maamorim 2:23 (pg. 31) 1986 edition.
C. Michtavim U'Maamaromim 5:534 (pg. 138)
D. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5766/eikev/olubvlornczekv66.htm
E. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5763/TZR63features2.htm
F. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5766/BHL66features2.htm
G. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5763/TZR63features2.htm
3. I think it's also important to note that R' Shach's tzidkus and his gadlus in Torah was recognized by many other well-respected gedolim:
In 1982, Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetsky, Rabbi Yaakov Yitzchok Ruderman, and others signed a document which protested the slander being said about Rabbi Shach. The document protested "the slander and vituperation [being leveled] against one of the greatest of our generation's gedolim, the elder of the roshei hayeshivos in Eretz Yisroel, who raises the banner of daas Torah high and expresses the Torah's views on every matter relating to Klal Yisroel."[22]
Whenever it would come to signing a public proclamation or letter on behalf of Klal Yisrael, the Steipler insisted that Rav Shach's signature appear before his. It was not uncommon for the Steipler to come to Rav Shach unannounced in order to consult with him on a matter of vital concern for the Jewish people. [23] Rabbi Shlesinger, son-in-law of Rabbi Shlomo Lorenzc, lived in Bnei Brak and served as an emissary between Rav Schach and the Steipler. On many occasions, when Rabbi Shlesinger would bring the Steipler documents and letters from Rabbi Schach to sign, the Steipler would sign them without even reading them. [24]The Steipler constantly said that since Rav Schach did not move daled amos without Torah, the Ribono shel Olam gave him the ability to pasken in every aspect of this generation’s needs.[25]
Rabbi Shmuel Berenbaum had wanted so much l’achar mei’ah v’esrim shanah to speak in learning with Rav Shach, zt’l, and Rav Moshe Feinstein, zt’l. But he was concerned that since they were tremendous tzadikim and had suffered greatly, he would not be put within their sphere in Shamayim. He felt he needed yesurim to reach their madreigah. [27]
"Rabbi Shach is the Gadol Hador.” [28] - Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky
The Brisker Rav, Rabbi Yitzchok Zev Soloveitchik once mentioned to a close student that since his father, Rabbi Chaim Soloveitchik, passed away, he had no one with whom to “talk in learning” until he met Rabbi Shach. [28] In his approbation to Avi Ezri, Rabbi Shach's work on the Rambam, the Brisker Rav wrote, "The gaon Rav Elozor Menachem, shlita, does not need any haskomoh from anyone, for he is a very great man and his power in Torah is great, [together] with acuity, thorough knowledge and a profound understanding of the pshat, on the level of the gedolim of our generation."
"Ha’emes ahuv etzlo, Truth is precious to him"[28] - The Chazon Ish, Rabbi Avrohom Yeshaya Karelitz
". . .since my relative, the Gaon Rav Eliezer Shach shlita joined the yeshiva as a maggid shiur, and I have it on reliable information from members of that Yeshiva that the learning is on a superior level especially now that my above relative has been accepted there, for he is great in Torah and influencing others in Torah "[29] - Rabbi Aron Kotler in a letter to Rabbi Chaim Ozer Grodzensky
"Rav Shach shmekt ois. Rav Shach can sense a dangerous situation much quicker than I can."[30]- Rabbi Shlomo Freifeld
"You should ask HaRav Shach. His guiding, primary axiom is daas Torah."[31] "Yad, yad, peh, peh. His hand is my hand and his mouth is my mouth. Whatever he says or writes is as if it were coming from me." [32] "I do not know how HaRav Shach studies. But one thing I am sure of: his initial impression is the psak halocho. He does not have to look it up in any sefer, just ask him the question and the first thing he tells you is the psak halocho." [33] - the Steipler, Rabbi Yaakov Yisrael Kanievsky
"If you would cut his veins, you would not see blood flowing; you would see Rashbas and Rav Akiva Eigers!"[32] "His limud is my amulet." [34]- Rabbi Isser Zalman Meltzer
"If Maran R' Shach is willing to join, he is no lesser versed in halochoh than in the chidushei Torah upon which he expounds in his yeshiva. He is a gaon beyond compare, and if he takes it upon himself to deal in halochoh, he will be the greatest of poskim."[35] - Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach
"I bear full witness that the Rosh Yeshiva was an averred hater of controversy and dissension; he despised it. One cannot describe to what extent it was abhorrent to him. He was an extreme pursuer of truth but without allowing any forgoing of kvod Shomayim in the least. He would not permit any leniency on fundamental, ideological issues of Torah and Yiddishkeit; these were things relegated to a trustworthy heart . . . Maran said to me, `This can I testify before the Heavenly Court: I dealt with communal matters with honesty and trustworthiness.' "[20] "My father and rebbi zt"l [Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach] said Am Yisroel has not had such a leader for many generations, and I heard the same thing said by Rabban Shel Kol Bnei HaGoloh Maran HaRav Elyashiv shlita [Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv]. I heard this from both of them on several occasions. . . Once somebody asked avi mori gaon Yisroel [Rabbi S.Z. Auerbach] regarding a certain directive Rabbeinu Hagadol zt"l had issued. My father got very angry and told him that despite everything we know about Maran and his achievements and the strength of his decisions and approach, more of him remains hidden than revealed, and he is considered a tzaddik nistar. - [36]Rabbi Shmuel Auerbach
"If someone takes the burden of the klal upon himself, it stems from concern for each and every individual. We find this with the gedolim. . . This means that although the foundation of our life and vitality is certainly limud hatorah, where there is no one to make the dejected happy, the Torah itself obligates those who study it to go and cheer them up. The Rosh Yeshiva of Ponevezh, Rav Shach zt"l, personified this. He was the father for individuals and therefore carried the burden of the klal." [37] - Rabbi Moshe Shmuel Shapiro
20. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5766/BHL66features2.htm
22. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5764/VYR64features2.htm
23. Sunset: Stories of Our Contemporary Torah Luminaries, Zt"l, and Their Spiritual Heroism. Page 175. By Hanoch Teller, Marsi Tabak Published by Feldheim Publishers, 1987
24. http://www.tzemachdovid.org/gedolim/ravshach3.html
25. http://www.tzemachdovid.org/gedolim/ravshach3.html
27. http://www.5tjt.com/news/read.asp?Id=1972
28. http://www.shemayisrael.com/jewishobserver/archives/feb/biography.htm
29. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5762/chayesara/CS62aravshachbio.htm
30. Reb Shlomo - The life and legacy of Rabbi Shlomo Freifeld by Rabbi Yisroel Besser . pg. 126. Judaica Press. Publish Date: 2008-06-12.
31. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/EKV66features.htm
32. http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/jewishobserver/archives/feb/biography.htm
33. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5766/lech/LCH66features2.htm
34. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5763/LL63features4.htm
35. http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5766/eikev/olubvlornczekv66.htm
36. [This article used to be on matzav.com website, not sure why it was removed]
37. You Can Make the Difference pg. 378 By C R Wagschal Published by Feldheim Publishers, 2007
4.Camp Runamok wrote earlier,
"This paean to a derived "nevuah" fails the ha!-ha! test. Show us any public remarks made by REMMS pre Nun-Gimel that mentioned the Rebbe in association with "Moshiach sheker". I was aware of the contorversies then and the Moshiach issue was never among them."
CR's comments are totally inaccurate. See, for example, Michtavim U'maamarim 5:569 (173) (which was from a speech in 1992 by R' Shach).
Also, in Rabbi Berel Wein's book "Faith and Fate: The Story of the Jewish People in the 20th century" (pg. 340):
"He objected to Rav Schneerson's call for "forcing" the Messiah's appearance. When Rav Schneerson's followers identified him as possibly being the Messiah, Rav Shach called for a complete boycott of Chabad, its institutions and projects by its constituents."
CR also writes, "He then subsequently lashed out against the Piskei Din of Rav Yaakov Landa ZT"L regarding Bor al-gabei bor mikvaos, thereby rendering all who use such mikvaos Bo'alei Niddah. . ."
This is also sheker, see the book "Defenders of the Faith: Inside Ultra-Orthodox Jewry." (pg. 304)where R' Shach is quoted: "And when they claimed that I called them the children of an impure woman, I testify before heaven and earth that I never said words such as these but only criticized their effort to build a ritual bath that was not in line with the standards of the Chazon Ish, may the memory of this righteous man be a blessing... I do not forgive anyone who fabricates words on his own and then says that I said them. And with this I request that each and every one will pass these words to his fellow."
Another document supporting R' Shach, written in 1989, was signed by many American Haredi leaders, including Rabbis Avraham Yaakov Pam, Mordechai Gifter, Shmuel Kamenetsky, Elya Svei, Aharon Schechter, Yaakov Weinberg, Henoch Leibowitz, Reuven Feinstein, Malkiel Kotler, Zelik Epstein, and Chaim Dov Keller. [Can be seen here: http://israel613.com/books/SHACH_DEFEND184.pdf]
ReplyDeleteAlso, check this out:
ReplyDeletehttp://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5762/T62features.htm