Gil Student in Hihurim writes that he's surprised that The Frankel Rambam people won't admit that they practice PCism when bringing sources. He brings a list of many "religious Zionists" like Reb Mendel Kasher, Rav Kook, Rav Teichtel and others who wrote extensively on the Rambam yet failed to make it. One of the "victims" of this practice is of course, The Rebbe.. Why am I not surprised?
A commenter there writes that he once met Reb Shabse in a Shtibel in Yerushalayim and asked him why he doesn't bring Rav Kook. Frenkel's answer was I do what's right for the business of selling Seforim, if I put in a source that's somewhat controversial to some learners they won't buy my sefer. "Rav Kook doesn't need my "Haskomoh!" Meaning that his greatness is not determined by whether or not he quotes him.
I AM surprised, however, even though I could maybe understand his decision, because of the relationship that Shabse Frenkel had with the Rebbe. Many, many letters and private audiences with the Rebbe had Shabse. So, it's tough to do that to a person ou know and respect. I would imagine that the Rebbe told him not to quote him if it would hurt his Parnossoh. This is the world we live in, the Almoh DeShikrah.
We got to blame the editors as Hilman a fabrente chazon ishnik and performs everything according to the Bnie Braker whims. There is a letter of his circulating regarding Horav Kafach Zt"l full of venom and bitter hate. So lets not blame Reb Shabsi that seemed to be a noble jew.
ReplyDeleteExplain this:
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what's to be explained, that they sell it? I'm surprised, but only because I didn't know that they expanded into selling non-Kehos seforim.
ReplyDeletem'zogt that the Rebbe asked him why he doesn't publish them al ha'seder to which he answered that he doesn't know until when he'll live and he wants to make sure he covers the yeshivishe seforim first. Supposedly, the Rebbe told him to go al ha'seder and he'll live to see it completed...
ReplyDeleteWho knows if its true...
Tzig, chaim hasn't told us his actual question. Although we are vile, frume-Jewish-world hating, Zionist loving, treife Lubavitchers, we still buy the Frankel Rambam. Because the long list of "Aveiros" does not tell us to be fools.
ReplyDeleteThe crime of omission is not so much that they were left out now, but that Lomdei Rambam for generations will not merit to see much of it. It's a בכי' לדורות!
ReplyDeleteI just noticed something on Chabad.info about a R' SB Volpo Rambam. Rav Volpo is not my style when it comes to certain issues, but he is a talmid chochom and a mensch (and he's spot on when it comes to shleimus haaretz). Did not have a chance to read the article (I was too busy reading the one about my site :) :) :)).
ReplyDeleteI saw COL had something. Tell us more about your site, please.
ReplyDeleteI just added you to my blog links.
ReplyDeletei relised az es iz shoin tzeit.
Maybe Shabse Frankel did not think there was much substance in the Rebbes toirehs?
ReplyDeleteAnyway, Chbadskers stop complaining, go publish your own seforim, you don't need to quote anybody besides some of your Rebbes.Game?
Hey Tzig
ReplyDeleteWhy do you give Lubavitch a bad name by misrepresenting them and make them all sound like apologists like you and Hmmm
Here is a post from crownheights.info:
'''You hit it on the head!! People are scared.
Let me put it this way:
1) If someone were to put up signs all over CH saying the Rebbe is Moshiach and always has been, etc., there would be absolutely no response.
2) If someone were to put up signs all over CH saying that the Rebbe was never Moshiach and this stuff is nonsense, his life and property would be in danger. I am not exxagerating.
People blame Satmar rabbonim for not taking control of the hooligans that cut Rabbi Korf's beard 20+ years ago. People faulted them because they were afraid for their lives.
Guess what, folks? We have the same thing here. It seems that we are powerless to act against this type of person, unless someone has an answer I can't see!''''
There are some honest Lubavitchers left.
P.S.You once had a (mis)post about how come all those guys from Boro Park that attend R'Yael Kahns shiurim have not turned into Lubavitchers:Hey,I've got a question for you:How come not a word of protest from you that R'Yael had to say his shiur upstairs in 770 for the first time, because of the meshichisten???
You spoke about almoh deshikroh...........You know a lot about shikroh,ahem
Lubavitch have taught the world great chiddushim in the Rambam.
ReplyDeleteFor example, 'King' means 'not a king', and 'Wars' means 'not wars' etc.
Echter Snag
ReplyDeleteI hope real snags ask for their name back. Go snag yourself.
Didim
it's nitwits like yourself, who can't conjoin a paragraph that's somewhat cohesive, that gives Lubavitchers a bad name. Nobody likes a fool.
Maybe, maybe
ReplyDeleteMaybe you're a moron? and maybe you never opened a Sefer of the Rebbe's in your life and only heard from your snaggy friends that the Rebbe always spoke about Shtochim? and has no Torah of his own?
and Maybe I'm right that it's Ameratzim like you that are destroying the world of Yiddishkeit with their convoluted trains of thought?
Hirshel, if you're gonna moderate comments then the last few here really should've found the scrap heap home.
I guess you're right, JJ. I apologize to my readers, there should be some standards here.
ReplyDeleteJJ
ReplyDeleteGet a life.Not everybody who knew a lot but had mediocre standards got to be inserted in Frankels Rambam.
It's difficult to argue with success:Frankels Rambam is very, very good, despite the lack of your Rebbes published torahs.On the other hand, I've seen your 'new' Shulchan Oruch Horav, and the level there is 'cheider yingel' ,quotes,quotes from Sichos keidesh etc, very unprofessional,all this after Lubavitch has used the same litho copy of more than a hundred years.Nebach the Alter Rebbe has very little nachas and his torah is in an echteh golus.
Lubavitch have this vast conspiracy theory:Artscroll in almost all their chumoshim,english gemorahs hardly quote the Rebbe,Frankels Rambam, a mainstay of oilem hayeshivos doesn't etc.,you guys believe it's a conspiracy.Have you guys ever thought for a minute that maybe there are other reasons?
Anyway, Nitei Gavriel quotes the Rebbe a lot, can't off the cuff think of others now.You would do a public service if you had a post about which non Lubavitcher sources quote the Rebbe, maybe I'm mistaken but I have hardly ever seen the Rebbe quoted in non Lubavitcher sources (besides Nitei Gavriel who was very close to Lubavitch)
One last point":Lubavitch, never even publish non Lubavitcher seforim, so in my opinion you have quite a chutzpah expecting other printing houses accept Lubavitcher works
It must be the 14th Avenue air that keeps you from making sense. You obviously are misusing words like "Mediocre" because they don't belong here.
ReplyDeleteFrankel consulted with the Rebbe quite often, yet, because of Snag terrorists declined to use the Rebbe as a source. What does that prove? nothing. only that terror works, even in the Torah world.
The Shulchan Aruch HaRav gets very high praise from REAL Talmidei Chachomim and Geonei HaDor, a Cheder Yingel like yourself is out of his league when looking at it, and may be considered a האן אין די בני אדם in this regard. I do agree that not every source needed to be put in there.
jj
ReplyDeleteIf you want to quote a yiddish saying quote it correctly:A hon in bnei odom (without di)it refers to what the chicken thinks when the person starts saying the beginning of kapporos 'bnei odom' etc..
14ave
ReplyDeleteדו וועסט מיר נישט אויסלערנען ווי צו
רעדן אידיש
ביי אונז אין נירעדהאזא האט מען אזוי געזאגט, ביז ס'איז אנגעקומען קיין פערצענטע עוועניו איז נעלם געווארען די ווארט
די
14th avenue,
ReplyDeleteIs the Sdei Chemed a lubavitcher sefer?
Bravo, anonymous, you have found one non Lubavitch sefer printed by Lubavitch more than 50 years ago.The Sdei Chemed.Besides that Lubavitch has done zero for publication of non Lubavitcher seforim.Nice track record.I'd be ashamed if I was Lubav.I'd would never have the gall the criticize people who have published many seforim.
ReplyDelete14ave
ReplyDeleteIn case you haven't noticed Kehos, the publishing house of Lubavitch, was founded to print Lubavitcher Seforim. They are mostly Seforim of The Rabbeyim, Nigleh and Chassidus, with some exceptions. After WWII they printed some other Seforim due to a severe lack of Seforim. Frenkel was set up to make a comprehensive, all inclusive Rambam, not a Litvisher version. The crime of omission is therefore much greater, due to the fact that they are not doing what they claim to do.
Also, all other Chassidisen who have publishing houses, although on a smaller פארנעם, also ONLY print Seforim of their Rebbes, and I believe you're fine with that!
Hey, Tzig
ReplyDeleteOther chasidic courts don't criticize publishing houses for 'forgetting' to mention their rebbe.If you feel that Artscroll,Frankel,Oz vehodor, whatever else don't do a good job, just let Kehos do it.
What Lubab really want is to eat their cake and have it to:The print what they want, making up shallow excuses like 'kehos is only for Lubab books blah ,blah',however they want to criticize others for omitting their rebbe.Nice!
Lubab have taken claim to worldwide Jewry are opening up Lubab rabbinic associations but calling them general orthodox, for example in Russia, their rabbinic association is basically a Lubab one that 'claims' to represent all Russian Jews, same for their new European rabbinic association based in Brussels,HOWEVER,when it comes to publishing torah they are still in their small niche of Tanya, tanya,tanya, sichos,igros and their newly found Rambam.
Get this into your heads:Sichos of the Rebbe is probably the most widely printed and disseminated Jewish Orthodox work (besides talmud, nach etc)and guess what,ALMOST NOBODY BESIDES LUBAB STUDY IT.Why???
Let's see if this gets by the censor
pj, it didn't need a censor - why would anyone want to stop you from looking like a fool?
ReplyDeleteI am not getting it, is it Chabad or the Rebbe, they omit the biggest giants in the field of Rambam, Reb Yoshe Ber of boston ( his uncle the Griz is not even in the same ballpark in his clarity and the vast knowledge)
ReplyDeleteand Reb Yossef Kapach he lived and breathed Rambam all his life.
to Mr PJ
ReplyDeleteimagine the rebbe printing the Sdei Chemed and omitting the Gra from it.
to MR 14th
There is enough universal seforim besides the nitei gavriel that quote the rebbe at large, as piskie teshuva on Mishna Berura from Rabinowitz, Pardes Yosef on the torah, Daf al hadaf on Shas oilom kminhogei noheig,and masas shabos
Go sift through your "gdeilim" speeches, you'll find a ton of stuff taken from Likutei Sichos.
ReplyDeleteAs about Artscroll, it was Frierdiker Rebbe's big donation that made it possible to get it going when it was about to collapse in the beginning.