Reb Chaim Tashkenter at Krias HaTeyreh in 770 in the Lameds.
A commenter mentioned Chaim Tashkenter as living in Williamsburg in his final years. Technically yes, but in the Ayshel Avrohom nursing home, where such other greats from Lubavitch as Reb Abba Pliskin and the late Chaim Lieberman also spent their final years. (Reb Chaim Hurvitz (Tashkenter) would say that he was always happy and smiling since he was born on Purim.) As a matter of fact; the Satmarer made a whole shtink of the fact that CL was there, as if he was thrown out of Crown Heights to rot in Williamsburg. The fact that he was 95+ and had no family is, I guess, no importance here? They went to Ayshel and interviewed him while he was lying in bed looking all disheveled, printed big pictures of him, and had him say all kinds of nasty things about the Rebbe and Lubavitch. I would venture to say that those nasty articles, printed in a "newspaper" dedicated to badmouthing Lubavitch, in my formative years, were quite helpful in my shunning the zealots who were around me at the time. I guess that counters the Bikur Cholims and other Chesed organizations that they run.
dear tzig
ReplyDeletei see you hv a good memory and you are quit bent tody searching for negetives in willi-SATMAR
so let me check your IQ
do you remember those day when there algeminer with the mr jacobson in the lead were wRiting on satmer like there naziche stirmer?
do you remember ziedman in his bad noods when he stam started tchepening with satmer?
do you remember eliezer halberstam
when ha started picking on rabbi frankel for no good reason and was גורם שפיכת דמים!!!!
but in the same time chaim cohen the chif justice of isreal who said the the torah is חוקי סדדום רל got a hakofe on simhcas torah!!!!
so my question is as follows:
whay on the all the greatest פושעי ישראל lebovitch managed to find a limud zechis
and why towards shomrie torah, lubavitch was so intolerant ,
satmar, bobuv, RAV SHACH , barry'S MOTHER etc.?????
לאמיר זיך צונויפרעדן
ReplyDeleteאיך געדענק נישט הלל זיידמאנ'ס ארטיקלעך קעגן סאטמאר, זיי זענען געווען פאר מיינע צייטן. איך געדענק ווען לייזער הלברשטאם איז געשטארבען, ער פלעגט וואוינען ממש בשכנות
אבער זיכער ווייסטו אז דער אומפארגעסליכער סענדר דייטש ז"ל איז געווען דער ערשטער וועלכע האט אנגעהויבן אטאקירן אנדערע קרייזן וואך איין און וואך אויס פאר גארנישט און פאר ווידער נישט
די זעלבע זאך מיט די צייטונג "די תורה וועלט" , דאס געדענק איך יא זייער גוט, און איך וועל עס קיינמאל נישט פארגעסן, ווייל ס'איז געווען א שמוציגע בלאט וועלכע מ'האט געדרוקט סתם, נאר צו חוזק מאכען פון ליובאוויטש
you did not answer
ReplyDeletewhay lubv has such סבלנות to all פושעי ישראלים around the globe
and whay not show al least a little סבלנות, when lubacs has an issue
with erliche yiden ???
are the sins of shomrie torah so much larger in the eyes of lubvs
that from the top and down they went nuclear!!!
dont you feel that lubvs have to sow atleast the same compassion to erliche yiden as it shows to פושעי ישראלים
do you remember the visious fights against rav sach?
(it shoulld not matter who is to blame)
against bobov? against baries mother?
thse were shmrie torah after all!!
Blame the fighters, not Lubavitch. They all started the fights. Bobov was not really a fight after all.
ReplyDeleteI did answer your question, you just chose to not understand it.
Use Tinokos SheNoshbu instead of Poshei Yisroel, or Sarei HaMelucha, and maybe then you'll understand.
= SheNishbu
ReplyDeleteWhich "visious fights against rav sach", are you referring to?
ReplyDeleteWho publishes the torah welt ? i never heard about it
ReplyDeleteChaim Cohen, 'tinok shenishba'??
ReplyDeleteDo you know what you are talking about?
You are the tinuk shenishba lebeain chbdsker.
You answered anonymous nothing about his questions.Punim Chadushos, a filthy rag and mushchos and menivel, was openly supported and sold in tinef heights, before 'gimmel tammuz'
Shoproner
ReplyDeleteLoz dech op, this guy will not give you an honest answer because he is farchapt by them,and cannot see any truth besides their 'truth'. They saw a yold and brainwashed him all the way
It's stupid comments like these that need to be censored. And they come from the big Baalei Chesed!
ReplyDeleteI never said on Chaim Cohen that he was a Tinok SHenishbe, and you little Satmorim knew it, but you jumped all over me like a bunch of third graders.
We can discuss the issues here, not whether or not I'm a Tuches Lekker Putz. I cannot believe the Nivul Peh coming from the Aydele Williamsburg people. Of course no issues are discussed, just throwing fits at me, all the while attacking me poersonally.
Chaim Tashkenter had no familly????? what about all his kids in CH???
ReplyDeleteThe first poster is 100% correct.
ReplyDeleteLook up the early issues of the Algemeiner especially late 60s early 70s -where Jacobson, Seidman and Gordon regularly did the Stuermer thing on Satmar, week after week - ad nauseum. And every now and then a Russian Chabadsker would wade in with the most vicious crap against Satmar you can imagine. NEVER did Der Yid use such disgusting language.
And that poster is also correct about the fact that most Lubavitchers will be melamed zechus of the worst possible poshei yisroel - whether he/she is a tinok shenisha or not.
But a frum Yid who does not accept the superiority of Lubavitch and its rebbe - achas dosoy..
Tzig, you have every right to run away from your roots - but there really is no need to spit at the derech of your parents and ancestors. No doubt they had and have enough agmas nefesh and bizyonos from you - even without that.
Im kol zos, I still hope and pray that one of these days Hashem will open your eyes and you will see what a blotteh you fell into. Hopefully you will still be able to save your kids.
Epstein
ReplyDeletethe fact that you use Sender Deitsch's pseudonym shows me where you stand here. You must have his measure of truth when you write, because what you write is full of inaccuracies.
1) The Algemeiner was founded in 1973, before that it was Di Tog Morgen Zshurnal. What Hillel Zeidman writes interesirt mir vi di faryorige shnei, since he had zero connection to Lubavitch, and I doubt what you write abour Nissen Gordon is true.
2) You know nothing about my roots save for what I tell you, so pleased quit the preaching.
The rest of your diatribe deserves no attention at all, because it's 3rd grade level.
anonymous (?????????)
ReplyDeleteI said Chaim Lieberman, not Tashkenter, please read!!!!!!!!!!!!!
o.k. tzig
ReplyDeletelieberman or taskant is not the greatest issue
for me it"s more important that yr zechis oves shall help and be מגין on you, that you shall be ניצול from the
עובדי עבודה זרה
from the soft core kofrim who say that the rebee who is in the queens cemetery reapeared from his kever in a frock and starced white shirt and he will live forever god like r"l
and also from the hard core kofrim that say that the rebee is g-D R"L
it will not make a diference if you will be satmar,belz,bobov etc.
as long that you will be a מאמין בשם and you will believe again in the י"ג עיקרים THAT HASEM IS NOT
A גוף ר"ל and you will return to the jewish faith with די אמונה שלימה
you are smart enouge and you know what we are talking
i feel something that deep down you are not in peace with yourself in lubv land.....
You talking about third grade level?
ReplyDeleteNebach your family
sine we are talking re algemeiner
ReplyDeletejurnal
please explain me how it is possible the half OR perhaps 75 percent of the writers in algeminer jurnel, the oficial lbvS paper were ממש מחללי שבתים????
remeber rabbi berkovitz the conservetive rabbi,eli vizel
who proclaimed his dibelieve in g... r"l etc
they were stuping thier
דיעות כוזבות to the hienishe olem בהסכמות סמכות העליונה
????? ????????
As a williamsburgh born boy, I would like to remind my "HOLY" satmar neighbors from a nice story thats on its way to be forgotten.
ReplyDeleteThere is a nice beis yakov girl by the name (Anne) Waxler original from Beis Yakov (williamsburgh) that became frie and went to work for the Carter HHS administration. When Satmar opened the ODA center (BTW a corrupted center that only served Kestenbaum and his cronies)on Rutledge St underneath the Kings Terrace shul. Waxler arrived to the grand opening it was a large dias in the front of the building and she was the honoree and all the pnei of satmar was there Lefkowitz Deitsch Stauber Kestenbaum they all shook hands with here in front of all the onlookers. she herself was stunned and ask whats going on here? 1 tipush of the bunch answered that they shook hands with the funds that she represent,
That friday night 1 of Lietners son in laws went on the bima and made a Machoe and he was thrown down and beaten up because he talks against the rebbes mentschen,I love to tell these stories to outsiders like Tzig who has no idea what kind of mokem sheker Williamsburgh is.
i must admit there are bad apelles in every place
ReplyDeletedo you remember gur arye who was in the slamer?
and yes barry?
and the person that almost cut of the nose bary's mother
oh reb moshe...
the brother n laws of....
solowick who did not have one person in the chareidishe comunity
the talked to him bcs bcs ...
however the rebee was his best friend...
do you remember שזר the chosid-מחלל שבת who was top vip in 770 to show its o/k/ to be מחלל שבת
as long as you are a chosid of the lbvs
i hv to stop here bcs the list is very long....
I could make a mint teaching spelling 101 in WillyTown.....
ReplyDeleteThe only reason the rebbe gave koved to shezar was because his mother told him in a dream exactly the way Kastner Yemach Shmoi mother told him to put the Ribenie Yoel ZTVKL on the Bergen Belsen Train.
ReplyDeleteAnd the same angel that told the Ribieni Yoel ZTVKL and the holy balas chesed Alte Fige ZTVKL to throw his only dauther Roizele from the stairs on Clymer cor Bedford, told the bochur to chop barrys mother ...
OK, first of all, the Algemeiner was never "the oficial lbvS paper". It was always a general interest Yiddish newspaper, whose publisher happened to be a Lubavitcher. Because of his affiliation he put in a lot of L-oriented content, but he never claimed to speak for anyone but himself.
ReplyDeleteThe anti-Satmar articles in the Algemeiner were published for a very good reason. The paper and its writers suffered literal terrorism in those years: arson, tyre slashing, violence, late-night threatening phone calls, the fire brigade called, etc. They had every right and duty to inform the public of what was happening, and what kind of people were tolerated, and encouraged by the Satmar community at that time.
That not all Satmarers were like that is obvious; but this was the face Satmar presented to the world at that time, and it had nobody to blame but itself, because we all know that when it wants to it can clean up its act, using tactics that nobody in Lubavitch would dream of using.
With all its maylehs, Satmar has a long history of violence, going all the way back to Hungary. When the Kloizenberger Rebbe moved to Elizabeth he said openly that it was because Mazikim can't cross water. That had nothing to do with Lubavitch.
Milhouse
ReplyDeleteyou mean Union City?
Yeah, it's all New Jersey to me...
ReplyDeleteEnough with the lies!
ReplyDeleteO.D.A, founded and run by Kestenbaum does an amazing job at allowing many yidden who cannot afford private medical insurance, and need goverment medical insurance have decent medical care.This includes Lubavitchers too.That's besides the w.i.c program which helps many frum families with baby formula.The goverment has very strict oversight and every penny is accounted for.
Lubabs:If you had a Mr Kestenbaum in your midst maybe people in Crown Heights would be able to get decent care instead of shlepping to Willy or BP.
I like the way the Lubab get around any critiscm:The Algemeiner badmouthing:It's not an official Lubab rag! Chaim Shoulson? Same nonsense.Well, did you know that Der Yid was also not an official Satmar newspaper??
ReplyDeleteליידער מחלוקת was allways present in chasidishe rebisteve
ReplyDeletebegining from rav moshe who wanted to be rebbe after the bal hatanye,and many say that this led him to his downfall nebech
reb hersel (i dont know the spelling of the stetel i think its asterstole)
were ther was a big fight bcs many chasidim wanted him to be rebee
=by the way he was a big tzadik and the grandfather of reb chaim taskanter o"h
and many others,the list is to long
and the last but not the least the rebbe vs. gur aryer,the rebbe vs.bary and his mother chana ,the rebbe vs. rav shach proclaiming with out proof whatsoever that rav shachs tefilin is posil...,it's mames unbelieveble!!!
(and yes the rebbe had a few good friends-שזר the president of the malchus sel kefira of isreal and solowichick who had the only friend in the chariedishe oilom, the rebbe of lbv
the machloke with the gur aryes was nothing else but about old fashion ,,גשמיות , a machloke bcs of money and valuebles that the יורש barry wanted to have his share and his mother was trown out from 770 with har nose cut off....
YOU IN LBV KNOW BETTER THEN ME THAT THE LIST IS VERY LONG
re the rebetzen fiege;
mames everybody agrees that this was done strictly by fiega who was a farbiterte woomen with out chidren (this is not an excuse)
and the satmarer rebbe had gevaldig tzar and in fact when he heard about these redifus against his doughter he said words against fiega that i dont want to prine here, and also he knew that she is a derbiterte woomen bcs she had no children
however the fight against berry and his mother, it was the rebbe himselg who was the krig marshal and gave the instruction for the gights aND attacks against the guraryes and barry,and his mother got the ultimute punishment of bieng trown out on the street with her nose cut off
and let me ask a question;
here you have an old lady the mother of barry who has one son only and she and barry was just as much a יורש as the rebbe
wouldnt it be fare that the rebbe should have shared a little bit of the ירושה with the gur arye famaly?
just a little feeling and mentsleckiet dictates to behave with the only one last of the יורשים in the rebbes family to be more humble and not
say אני ואפסי!!!!!
oi i forgot about 770
ReplyDeletelook how it turned ino a mad house
and figths one against his brother and you need gaurds
and the police for protetection 24-7
Tzig. Your post is a partial attempt to re write the biography of a great man the Rachal.I did not know the Tashkenter. But I did know Reb Chaim Lieberman. Facts : Long before he was in Eshel Avrohom , he was a sworn enemy of the last Nasi of Chabad. He was a very close friend of the Gourary family and often ate with them. He never attended the farbrengungs at 770. . He testified at the book trial... on behalf ot the "other side". His official Yoresh was none other than Barry Gourary.He refused to be buried in teh Old Montefiore cemetary next to his Master and teacher the Rayaatz.
ReplyDeleteI knew Reb Chaim and visited him in Eshel Avrohom. He was well taken care of and in good condition not disheveled as you indicate. More importantly he was very sharp mentally and talkative. He had some "wonderful" things to tell me about the Mazkiruth and the zikne Anash who constituted that august body.
I too read the interviews with reb Chaim and given the nature of the talk and language that I heard from Reb Chaim and the late Rebbetzin CSG, I tend to believe the talks were based on authentic conversations and a bit zugeputsed so that they blend well with satmar propoganda.However I do not think that Reb Chaim meant for this stuff to be published.
Reb Schneur
ReplyDeletenowhere did I say that RCL was a Chossid of the last Nosi of Chabad. All I spoke of was the fact that he was in Ayshel and that they interviewed him while there. I remember the pics, they made him look bad. Maybe he had just woke up.
Tzig.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was in Eyshel visiting him , he was attended by several Satmaer yungeleit , who treated him well.
He also had a great grand nephew (sic)with him a modern Isreali-Russian lubavitcher.I forgot his name.
His chief handler was JSC whom I guess (understatement) people in CH dislike. Bur JSC is very loyal to his friends and had a great deal of influence and determination. hence the Rachal was well provided for.
Let me just add the time when those crappy papers against the Rebbe came out (4-6 issues which I own ... somewhere in my collection of ashpe) was a time when yedidenu Reb Chaim S. editor of Panim Chadashoth was hitting Satamr hard every week with all sort of internal shmutz etc against the then Grand rabbi and his son the then chief rabbi of KJ.
Thus in response to an on going provocation they published this drek.
By the way have the gvirim of CH ever thought of starting a Moshav Zekanim in CH as the Lubavitch community also ages.
Schneur
ReplyDeletewe know why JSC cared for him, not out of the goodness of his heart....
Chaim Shaulson is Gor a shvacher Lubavitcher. he lived in BP, never sent his kids to Lubavitcher Mosdos, and never davened in Lubavitch. I doubt if he learned in Tomchei Tmimim, although I'm not certain that he didn't. His father was a Yerushalmi Lubavitcher who was a member of the Jerusalem municipal council MiTaam Agudas Yisroel. That's not a very strong Lubavitcher resume, but good enough for Satmar, I guess.
The Moshav Z'keynim is a good idea, just from a business standpoint, as nobody ever went out of business from running a nursing home/assisted living facility. Maybe I should start it?
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI could make a mint teaching spelling 101 in WillyTown..... "
Are you nuts. Nobody there cares!!!
Yes I know Saulson's background. I remember his father , he was a fine askan a sort of mini Menachem Pourush. Chaim was Porush's driver. I liked his various papers. they were honest and called a spade a spade of course not in regards to the groups he liked.
ReplyDeleteIf you start a nursing home , you may be the right person as you are of Hungarian extraction, a Litvishe Yid like myself can not get close. My late father in all innocence rejected the offers of his Hungarian friends to get some beds in their homes. a shod, I would not be writing this stuff if he had listebned to the sweet Hungarian jews.
Schneur,
ReplyDeleteRachal was not a enemey he wasn"t a chosid either. Previous to the Gurary story, he was alot by yechidus discussing bibliography that was his hobby, he was big time instigated by Reb. Chana since he was her shabos bochur,
The whole discussion is pointless if the Rachal was a chosid or not, he is not Reb Nissen or Reb Shlome Chaim or Reb Mendel,or Simpson or Reb shmuel, he was just a technical assistant in writing letters and running the Library,the chassidim in mazkiros were Fiegen,Althouse,Marsov real oivdie hashem mekusharim.
who is JSC ?
ReplyDeleteWhatever sins and crimes RCL committed towards the end of his life, the zechus of the literal mesirus nefesh with which he served the frierdiger rebbe cannot be ignored. On one occasion he was arrested while in possession of letters which, had the NKVD found them, would have got the FR killed r"l; he ate the letters.
ReplyDeleteSchneour
ReplyDeleteYou really floored me when you write that you liked Shoulsons paper and that it was 'honest'.Oy vey.Firstly it was terribly written, but what really irks me is the 'honest' part of your claim.You already stated that he was not 'honest' when it came to the group he liked and I''ll add that when it came to groups he disliked it was a total farce.The lies and yarns he used to weave about Satmar or Ponovizh were just amazing.All this besides pure unadultersted loshon horah.One other special quality he had was that he would write dirt about anybody that you paid him to and would blackmail people with so as not to publish stories.Additionally he would write a column for a rich meshugener in Brazil and be paid for it .So basically the only honest word in his 'newspaper' was the price and date.A truly evil and sick man.Who had no qualms at putting his wife and kids to shame and in danger.
I think Schneur was talking about the papers he published in Israel waaay back, not the Ponim Chadoshos.
ReplyDeleteAs afr as Panim Chadashoth goes. Reb Chaim 's long essays about the degeneracy of the institution of Rebbeim today was TRUE.
ReplyDeleteHis pieces on the politicization of the Charedi world with no sense of Klal Israel was also true.
His articles on the yeshiva world and their new subject called hashkofa was also true.
Lets also not forget that much of what he werote about the satmar community Reb Aron his dad the Grand rabbi , his gabba ect as early as 1984 was true and only came out to the general public 5-10 years later.
His articles on Shaas , DEgel etc were also true. His discussions about intermarriage etc based on the reports of the Brazillian rabbi and nagid are certainly not false either.
Yes Reb Chaim exxagerated, yes he may not have had a palm pilot with the Chafetz chaim on it, yes he took money, but rabbosai, do not other editors closer to home also take money to write about people, so Chaim took it one step further he took money, not to write.
Reb Chaim gave us an objective view of the Charedi world no lies from the paper whose identity is pure truth DER YID, BLATT, YATED etc etc.
I think some people here are under rating Reb Chaim as a Chasid. See the Israeli journal ALEI SEFER in the 1980's where Munshine wrote about him, The Rayaatz called him ADAM and praised him.
ReplyDeletePerhaps its because he never married or because he refused to join the post 1950 administration, he is not given his due.
Lets just note the following , who built the Library that the last rebbe thought so valuable that was the work of Reb Chaim.This library did not come about Yesh Miayin, it took years of fine book collecting to make it what it was and that ws his work.
If we are to use the ratings by anonymous not one of the mazkirim of the last adminsitration rates any thing.9After all even the best rav Hodakov was not more than a technical advisor on educational matters)
Reb Chaim was the Ish Sodo of the previous rebbe. I refer all to articles in Ale sefer and HADOAR where this multi faceted man is described.
To call him a technical assistant is to fail to understand his work as a Bibliographer, linguist, folklorist, historian and loyal aide to the Rayaatz. Has anyone outhere read Ohel rachel ?, looked at the volumes ??
to shneur
ReplyDeletei see you are so entused abut the writings of the famous black mailer
and musir suelsoon who was trown out from all the shulen and shtiblech
however he and his children found a comftarble place in lubv
in spite that everybody new he is lbv and he dirtied the name of the lbvs
stiil not a pips was heard from the lbvs or from the rebbe bcs the rebbe was happy that he has a stick that he can turture those who dont go in line......
let me explain you what means suelson the blackmailer
there is a rebbe who did not נושא חן in lubv, this perticular rebbe is famous for his good hearth and did not harm a fly
so suelson told this rebbe either you pay up or i will writh that yr mother was in hospital for people that are sick on thier brain ל"ע
ands you will have problems marying of yr chidren
sourly enough souelson did print this story
the rebbes last name is e. he lives in willii
and yes this mafiyose souelson is welcomed in lbv
shame on you all in 770!!!!
and look the other side of the coin
a couple of moths ago when there was big fights in 770 with the shluchim and the elokisten-meschisten , tables were flying,it was mamesh סכנות נפשות
krinsky made sure that not one newspaper in all of n.y. will write about the story, they were worned that if they write tere will be consequenses and they surely complied
yes keep souelson as yr beacon of moral!!!!!
anonymous:
ReplyDeleteafter much hard work trying to figure out what you said let me tell you this:
however he and his children found a comftarble place in lubv
He never davened in Lubavitch and never sent his kids to learn there. He never lived in Crown Heights. His kids are more Noyteh to Misnagdim than to Lubavitch!
stiil not a pips was heard from the lbvs or from the rebbe bcs the rebbe was happy that he has a stick that he can turture those who dont go in line......
1) what's a "pips?"
2) what's "turture?"
3) what are "lbvs?"
4) what's "worned?"
and yes this mafiyose souelson is welcomed in lbv
He's not welcomed. He doesn't come there, and nobody's seen him for the last ten years!
מ'האט דיר פארקויפט א טאפ מיט לאקשען אין וויליטאון
in willi everybody knows what a pips is and you konw to...
ReplyDeletealso we know that קודש הקדשים was only in בית המקדש
we also know that yiden have only שלוש רגלים and only those are called
יו"ט
whay did the lbvs fell the need to
to write a new testement...
in 770 they have new days that are called ימים טובים all year around
AND KODESH KODOSIM IS NOT THE BEIS HAMIKDOS INSTEaD IT IS RIGHT IN 770!!!
the rebbe lives לעולם ועד JUST LIKE GOD R"L
some in lubv say that the rebbe is
g-d mamesh רחמנא יצלינו
how much more of the thora will the lubvs rewrite????????
until thay will have a completley renewated religion??????
the Shoproner strikes again......
ReplyDeleteThe only thing that should be censored is Shneur's comment, Tzig. The rest are just hilarious. And Rochel was not just a soneh of the Rebbe, he was not a Chosid of the FR either (whether or not he saved his life), and he did nothing with the library. He was an old lazy bachelor. Get over him, get over Barry, get over yourself.
ReplyDeleteHmmm
ReplyDeleteIt was so good without you polluting the blog.Go crawl back under the stone you came from.Yuck
You mean it was so good that you got to bash Lubavitch and no one responded in your own language? Snag you.
ReplyDeleteJust for the record R. Chaim did write about sad events in 770 involving people like Drizin, Gutnick, Messianists etc. He reported in detail a fight at a Kiddush in 770. He ridiculed the Messianists etc.
ReplyDeleteShaulson was arrested and was found innocent of all charges concerning blackmail.
I guess that DER YID can continue to add the abbreviation Shin Resh Yid after rav Kuk , thats fine, can call various gedolim not harav but rabbi, can report the death of the Lubavitcher rebbe on the bottom of page 2 etc ect. Thats okay, but Shaulson can;t write the truth. As he often said its they who don't like him they being the so called gedolim.
What he did was even the playing field and it worked the satmarer appers cleaned up their acts to a great extent. No more hespedim by the Alexander the great over downed Syrian Migs...