A Reader writes: [ and I add my thoughts in brackets...]
R' Chezkel Grubner from Detroit who was
niftar yesterday -
R' Yitzchok Sorotzkin's shver- was The
Gerrer Rebbe's cheder Rebbi right after the war - it might have been in Europe if that makes sense- [ it does, since the GR was in Belgium after his
zeide the IE was
niftar, but that might not be
Aleph Beis, he was like 9-10 years old then - HT] for some reason
The Gerrer Rebbe had a lot of
hakaros hatov to him and was exceptionally nice to his
eyneklach (till he chapped that the
Sorotzkin's were pushing it too much.)[ I knew
R' Grubner from the
Lubavitcher angle. He would often come to the
Rebbe's farbrengens and sit right up front, behind the
Rebbe. His sister was married to a prominent
Lubavitcher Chossid in Detroit, which may or may not have sent him to that Midwestern city. What gets me is how a
Poylisher/Chassidisher Talmid of
Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin had all
Litvisher/Yeshivisher sons and
Eydems... He was the last of the remaining
Radomsker chassidim too - HT ]
Tzig: You are probably in Bensonhurst right now listening to the
hespedim [ on
Reb Shaul Sholom Menashe Gottlieb,
zt"l,
Rosh Yeshivah in
Beis haTalmud. The truth is I had never heard of RSMG before, and I thought I knew a little bit about local
Roshei Yeshiva. In any case I wasn't there, maybe I should've made the trip. - HT] He was
R' Leib's (
Reb Leib Malin - HT) age - from the biggest
masmidim around.
Adom Godel - hide the
seforim when people came in - didn't know anything about the
velt. As far as I know, he
k'mat never left Bensonhurst, he didn't do the photo-op things - none of those
chevrah [ the old
Bais haTalmud group - HT] did. He had no idea who
R' Elya Svei was. He had never seen him or heard of him in his 98 years. You might not believe me, but the whole Lakewood (
yeshiva) heard of him. Anyways, years ago I heard somewhat embellished
mayses how R'
Elchonon went to the
Mir for a few days just to speak with him in learning. From what I heard, he gave the
shiur in
Baranovitch when
R' Elchonen was in America, besides for
R' Elchonon's son who was killed in the war and, I think
R' Mendel Kaplan from Filly. Interesting that
R' Shmuel Berenbaum heard
shiur from him in
Baranovitch.
Correction Rav Grubner was a eidim by schlaff pure bobover stocka and his name was Rav Shaul Menashe Gotleib a Emese gaon from the amolidke velt
ReplyDeletethank you
ReplyDeletethe first was an editing mistake. It was his sister that married a Lubavitcher.
I doubt that Rav Shaul Menashe never heard of Rav Elya Svei, as he was an eidim of Rav Avrohom Kalmanowitz zt"l, who was of course very well known by all the Alter Mirrers
ReplyDeleteTzig,
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised you never heard of R'Shoul Menashe.
maybe I did, his name just never stuck in my mind.
ReplyDeleteRav Brus everybody knew. Not so with RSM
why is that?
R'Shoul Brus had his "own" yeshiva in Beis Hatalmud, own Beis Medrash etc.Many chasidim learned by him.Maybe that's why he was better known??
ReplyDeleteWho was Rabbi Grunbers Lubavitch brother-in-law?
About R'Grunber having Litvishe eydemer:Quite common that when one sister marries the rest of the sisters and sometimes brothers will look to do similar shiduchim, specially when the first eydem is a good guy.Same thing can be seen sometimes when a non Lubavitch girl marries a Lubavitch boy.Sometimes the other sisters will do the same.
But, be'etsem the kashe is not such a big kashe.R'Grubner was in Detroit and was not a Boro Park type of chused anyway.For his daughters to marry a Gerrer chused with the shmoineh begudem etc would be very farfetched.
His sister - IIRC - was married to Reb Yitzchok Noach Silber of Detroit.
ReplyDelete"Rav Brus everybody knew. Not so with RSM
ReplyDeletewhy is that?"
Whos everybody? Everybody I know heard of RSMG. In Europe and Shanchai he was already a major name. In the US he was very ba'halten. He wrote seforim, learned, spoke in learning, and thats about it. (nebach, he never got to know the good things in life like sushi and having a blog) If he wouldnt have learned so much and been such a talmid chacham maybe some of the 'shaayner' yidden and 'shaayner' Rebbelach would have known who he was and given him respect. Thus the rest of the sheep would know about the 'Groiser Gun" from Bais Hatalmud.
so I guess you're saying that Rav Brus ate sushi and blogged, right? and Reb Shmuel Berenbaum too?
ReplyDeleteFor the record:
ReplyDeleteHe might of known R' Elya when he learned in Beis Hatalmud for a short tekufah, but never knew he became Ram in Philadelphia
Not all of R Grubners sons in law are litvaks.
ReplyDeleteI only know 2 of them. RYS and RMML.
RMML learned in litvishe yeshivos but is from a heimishe background. He is not a litvak.
Tzig, where did you get that pic?
ReplyDeleteDo you know who any of them are?
Baranovitz 1932! Sounds real cool. There gotaa be a couple of biggies in the photo.
where? google images, my friend.
ReplyDeleteOy Na Lanu
ReplyDeleteWhy is the litvak not heimish, because he doesnt know about Pearlmutters overnight kugel.what a Tipesh
No,
ReplyDeleteBecause even as late as 5769 the insists on looking like a galach. When are they gonna heed the call of der heiliga chazon ish and throw their norelco's in the fire with the indian sheitlech.
Feh!
Tzig
ReplyDeleteYour friend is slightly uninformed
First of all, his name was R' Sholom Menashe.
Secondly, he spent the summers in the Catskills.
"No,
ReplyDeleteBecause even as late as 5769 the insists on looking like a galach. When are they gonna heed the call of der heiliga chazon ish and throw their norelco's in the fire with the indian sheitlech.
Feh!"
You hate the Bney Brak- beard wearing sngas- more than the clean shaven chevron ones- so shut up
Hillarious. I am SURE a gaon like Rav Grubner went to hear the Rebbe's farbrengens. Nebach, you guys have no sense of worth.
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ReplyDeleteAt least one of Reb Elya's sons learned in בית התלמוד
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