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די רבי פון תולדות אהרן מיט ר' איטשע נעמענאוו, רעכטס
Tuesday, May 17, 2011
"Bikur HaMeysedes" in Broonwah
The Rebbe fun Toldis Ahren bazucht di Meysdes Lubavitch in Broonwah, Frankreich, u'bifrat di Yeshiveh Teymchei Tmimim, un farbrengt mit dee buchrim. Vee bavust hubben di Anshei Toldos Ahren alange kesher mit Chabad, noch fun di tzayten fun Reb Ahren Rutt, velcher hut bazucht der Frierdike Rebbe in Yurop. Oych iz der Rebbe fun Todos Ahren, der Baal Divrei Emuneh, geven etliche mohl af yechides baym Rebbin in 770.
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דער צווייטע פון לינקס איז הרב ר' יחיאל קלמנסון, ראש ישיבה און באוואוסטע מחבר ספרים
די רבי פון תולדות אהרן מיט ר' איטשע נעמענאוו, רעכטס
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דער צווייטע פון לינקס איז הרב ר' יחיאל קלמנסון, ראש ישיבה און באוואוסטע מחבר ספרים
די רבי פון תולדות אהרן מיט ר' איטשע נעמענאוו, רעכטס
Hirshel
ReplyDeleteforgot to mention that Reb Duvid Kohn is a talmid of Reb Moshe Weber and Yibodel Lechaim Reb Yoel and Reb Mendel
Reb mendel Vechter?
ReplyDeleteYes
ReplyDeleteon the video of Reb Yoels Visit to him, he mentions the shiurim of Reb Yoel and Reb Mendel Vechter,
He asks Reb Yoel if he remembers which perokim tanya were learned then, Reb Yoel answerer him precisely the perek.
How far is Brunoy from Paris?
ReplyDeleteAbout 30 km.
ReplyDeleteReb mendel Vechter is a talmid of satmar ruv z"l so is his father and father in law, amazing how he became 'The lubavitcher' with a 'H' haydeia! maybe some more lubavitcher's would learn in the same 'yeshivah' he did and take wifes from the school he did there will be some more serious lubavitcher's ha what u think ?
ReplyDeleteDo Lubavicher bochurim wear black suits and hats? I was told by all chabad bashers that every Lubavicher from Reb Yoel to a Frenchie bocherchig wears jeans and sneakers from Abercombe
ReplyDeleteWhen did rav Arele see the Rayaatz ? In Otwock , I never knew he went further north than Galicia. Certainly R. Arele was not in Riga or Leningrad.
ReplyDeletePerhaps in Jslm in 1929 , when they both were there ?
I think in a new children's book about Reb Arele it "takke" mentions that they met in Yerusholayim in 1929. I will check when I get home. A new sefer about Hagaon R. Gershon Lapidos of Jerusalem dispels the popular myth that rav Arele was an ACTIVE anti Zionist. In fact unlike his son in law Divrei Emunah he was a passive anti Zionist and not interested in "POLITIK"
Does R' Arele ever mention the three oats anywhere? I don't remember seeing it but maybe I'm wrong.
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ReplyDelete"dispels the popular myth that rav Arele was an ACTIVE anti Zionist."
His son the Shomrie Emunim rebbe always claimed that his father had no particular shitohs regarding the Aguda, Kanous etc...
after losing a large piece of land in secular courts and the badatz (1972) ,the se rebbi fled jerusalem ,and forgot his kannoies...that the world made fun of his dream didnt help...
ReplyDeletewhy dont u talk on the very contested will of the previos rebbi?
ReplyDeleteThe truth is that all the various configurations of Shomer Emunim and Toldos Aren believe in the derech Habal Shem and are at their core completely in opposition to the YM ideaology.Look at Shomer Emunim-almost every page is filled with the teachings of the talmidei haBesht.The previous TA Rebbe was a talmid of SR in Europe but the two groups are totally different and ,perhaps,imcompatible.One is spiritual-the other primarily political.
ReplyDeletewhy dont u talk on the very contested will of the previos rebbi?
ReplyDeleteits known that r aarale wouldnt go to a meeting if rav herzog was there.
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ReplyDelete"its known that r aarale wouldnt go to a meeting if rav herzog was there."
how many meetings did he go? he was no Rav or Askan?
Was he involved with Rav Duschinsky? In his time nobody looked at him, he and his group were considered as a loony fringe group. The seforim were banned by all chasidim, the only rebbe that was enamored by him, was the old Biyaler.
r aarele...the hazon ish r aaron cohen (ry hevron) r aaron of belz said he was a kodesh elyon...the meeting he left w r herzog during ww2 regarding saving jews
ReplyDeleter chiam kinevsky showed the stieplers WORN OUT copy of shomrie emunim to r yoel yosef kahn
he worked allways together with r dushinsky
a little emes ,please...
All I am saying is that unlike Reb JT , Rav Arele had a derech in Chassidus and anti-Zionism was not the ikkar of his group.I suspect he belonged to the eda as did the Gerer until a certain point in history. I posit that under his son in law it changed and anti Zionism became a cardinal principle of Toldos Aaron alhtough they had other points of identification as well.
ReplyDeleteNow i don't even know what these 2 groupsa re all about.
In conversation with satmar peopel i was told that even in the 1950's reb Arele people were regarded as modne by many middle class satmarer in Brooklyn.
Schneur,
ReplyDeleteDon't forget the important point that Rebbe Ahrele was nifter in 1947, before the establishment of the malchis harishu, so a lot of the post-establishment issues weren't that much of an issue.
Having said that, it is well known that he was a kanoi.
Rehov slonim
ReplyDelete" r aaron of belz said he was a kodesh elyon"
where did you hear that?
He definitly never spoke against him.But his style was never use grandiose statements on no one. So please check your sources.
Not every thing that the Reb Arelech write is torah min hashmaim, and at same time I am questioning what the Chazon Ish said.
All this has noting to do what he realy was a oived hashem etc...
Rehov Slonim
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"he worked allways together with r dushinsky "
better said, he was always sided with rav dusinsky, he was no askan etc... that was not his field at all
Schneur
ReplyDelete"In conversation with satmar peopel i was told that even in the 1950's reb Arele people were regarded as modne by many middle class satmarer in Brooklyn."
RJT and his boys worked tirelessly to rid Reb Arele and his group from towns in their region.The offical claim was that he was too extreme and a bocher of his group died from too much fasting.So he left to palestine where every Meshugaz goes.
hentel
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"before the establishment of the malchis harishu
what is that? Nazis? Communisim?
Hentel, Is there any kanous in Sefer Shomrei Emunim? Is there any kanous in the collection of his letters? I didn't feel any kanous at all.Adrabeh...
ReplyDelete" A new sefer about Hagaon R. Gershon Lapidos of Jerusalem dispels the popular myth that rav Arele was an ACTIVE anti Zionist"
ReplyDeleteWhat Sefer? I was freindly with a grandson, and would be eager to read it. Note that RGL was close to Rav Kook, so take what is written with a grain of salt.
I will get you the name tomorrow BL"N as I am at work presently.
ReplyDeleteIt was purchased at Eichler's ,for some reason I don't think that my good friends the Biegeleisens carry it.It has nekudes but it geared for adults.
As for Rav Kuk (vun vemen ich halt gor stark) this sefer does not mention his name and its about 600 pages long.
Grain of salt and those who hold of the Satnarer shita and write about rav Arele should not be taken with a grain of salt ? Do they ever mention di gebrente tzaros RAR hot gehat oeszustein fun "oso Tzaddik" as Steinberger refers to him in the 1st edition of Uvda D"Aron ?
Masmid Hayerushalmi by Lutzkin (grandson)is the biography of R. Gershon Lapidos of Bays Israel - Jerusalem. Well writen in lashon melitza , lots of nice pictures Highly recommedned.
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