דאס בעסטע באשרייבונג וואס מ'האט נאך אמאל געהערט איבער גאנץ תולדות חסידות סקווירא עלי אדמות אמעריקא, פון "גביר אדיר," וועלכע איז - כנראה - פון די "פצועי סקווירא" און לאזט וויסן פאר'ן חרד'ישען עולם וויזוי עס זעהט דארטן אויס.
ליינט און שטוינט
שטוינט איבער די עקלהאפטיגע "תגובות" פון אזעלכע (אומ)מענטשן וועלכע ברענגן "ראיות" פון דעם אז א באנדע מאטארציקל-טרייבער זענען אין סאלידאריטעט מיט ר' חיים אהרן ראטענבערג .....(ישלח לו השי"ת רפו"ש מן השמים במהרה בתושח"י) אז דאס איז א ראי' אז ער באלאנגט נישט דארט און אז מ'האט אים געדארפט ארויסווארפן בשן ועין....
נישט ח"ו ס'איז אים געקומען אז מ'זאל אים שיעור נישט הרג'נען און אזוי מיאוס פארברענען, אבער דאך, ער האט זיי אנגערייצט, און "סקווירא האט תקנות וואס מען מוז פאלגן" און "זאל ער זיך ארויסגיין פון סקווירא," און ער האט מאדערנע קינדער מיט בלויע העמדער, קליינע קאפלעך און לאנגע שייטלן, וועלכע פירן זיך נישט באשיידן ווי די חסידי סקווירא, וכהנה רבות, איז ממילא קען מען "פארשטיין" פארוואס מ'האט געדארפט נעמען "שטרענגע שריט" אויף צו עוקר מן השורש זיין אזא "קרענק" פון די הייליגע שטעטל וואס דער רבי ז"ל האט מייסד געווען מיט מסירת נפש ממש כדי צו בויען א חסידיש'ען קרעמל אזוי ווי אין דער אלוטער היים
My friends, we've come a long way. A long, twisted and corrupted way, not a way of accomplishment and progress. After all these years we've gotten to a point where you deserve what you get no matter what. Why? because of your kids, your friends, or where you daven. I think that Skver is totally alone here, nobody else can relate to such tactics for the reason that they do it in Skver. So they're like a Congressman who's in the midst of a major scandal; not even a party member or the head of the Party will stand up for him. This may change once some more encouraging news surfaces, but that may not ever happen. The only thing they can hope for is that people's memory stay short, but even that could be a thing of the past. In this, the day and age of youtube, things stay up forever, even for those who quickly forget. These are fine, frum, upstanding people who are being harassed. Even in Kiryas Joel, where people have gotten used to unrest, they never do it for those reasons. There we hear about two factions, power grabs, and the usual fighting, slashing tires and rock-throwing...(let's leave the Yeled Shashuyim incident out of this conversation for now) Skver has been isolated by this attempt on a family, and may never recover, Ami magazine's attempt not withstanding. People ask me why I don't go on the offensive and attack Skver for the terror. I refrain from writing what is on many people's minds only because of the Yenikas HaChitzonim that is so rampant. Every man with an agenda is dancing on their blood, so I won't join them.
"I refrain from writing what is on many people's minds only because of the Yenikas HaChitzonim that is so rampant. Every man with an agenda is dancing on their blood, so I won't join them."
ReplyDeleteRemember your words when you go beneath the belt again
ok, sucher
ReplyDeleteand you remember that I didn't write if I ever do in the future... it works both ways, you know
"Skver has been isolated by this attempt on a family, and may never recover"
ReplyDeleteand they shouldn't. there is no way for them to recover from this. no one will believe anyway, if they claim they've changed their ways. Even the tehillim they say a week later, (for which thet were lucky he's not dead yet, or that publicity stunt would have been
lost.) was a fake.
Frankfurter the editor of Ami,starts out his feature whitewash article on Skver, that it is ironic that the one Shul tekona of New Square is strictly for achdus purposes, the Current Rebbe quotes his father who created that minhag.The irony is that to keep the peace they created the biggest divisive fiasco in chasidic history in the US.The Skverer Rebbe gets carried away and is not getting it. how foolish his argument is.
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ReplyDelete"and they shouldn't. there is no way for them to recover from this"
would you recommend for the Skverer Rebbbe to close shop?
His 3 sons should take jobs in B&H?
It is impossible since their Shemiras Einiem is very important, they have holy bodies transcending for generations, and we the people were born on this planet to preserve the kedusha of their bodies. But it is not in vain, since the Chernobler Kinder are mashpiem Gezunt Parnosa Nachas for the whole doir.
I never thought of it that way, that they're "mashpia GP"N" for the whole dor...
ReplyDeleteCan't they do that without burning houses down?
in yhe good olden days of peak years in tiny swampy mud road of belz galiziya, there about 10 shuls, never did they say you must daven in the big huge high shul of that village.
ReplyDeletein contrast to that in bobov where the rebbi was a master single of his generation when it comes to achdus, he wanted only one bais medrash where all of chassidim should daven. in boro park how big it is has only one bobov shul, where the chassidim congerate. they come there out of love, in skver they are forced to daven there.
do you know the story of sholmo hamelech who banned one of leaving jerusalem, yet that person never in his life left jerusalem, yet because of the ban he left jerusalem, thats when shlomo had him killed.
when it comes to achdus and ahavas yisroel its not skver its bobov to look up to.
Hirshel
ReplyDeleteThey have to rid the world of the Chitzonim that are clogging up the pipeline of Gezint Parnosa Nachas,
I heard that some Skverer Mashpia with a odd last name Herzel, is proselytizing for the Skverer youth, that it is all people who were Chilal Berisoi,based on some torah of the the Apter Ruv
I hope you are getting it,
Bobobov chusid
ReplyDelete"in tiny swampy mud road of belz galiziya, there about 10 shuls,"
there were no 10 shuls in Belz
I am no Skverer Chusid, but I believe that yesterdays Satmar anti Israel provocation is a aggressive move, That causes in the long run flowing of Jewish Blood on their hands. They had these monstrous rented trucks with huge banners cruising around (who gave them the heter to pass the streets of Manhattan when the peritzus is so rampant?, I guess it is only prohibited for Ziku Mitzvah that is Ahavas Yisroel based) with anti yishuv slogans. These Jewish boys are helping out all the enemies of the state Hooimdim Olieni Lechalosiene.This false faith that they involved themselves, motivates them to giving a helping hand to mass murders R"L
ReplyDeleteIt's time to translate the weekly propaganda and hate messages in yiddish that fill the Yid,Blatt,and Neis Baricht into English. Someone should confront the Lakewooder Roshei yeshivah and demand to know why they give kovod to these Rodfim as Rav Henkin described them many years ago.Although Rav Henkin was anti-Zionist himself ,he knew a rodeph when he saw one.Even though almost every other godol disagreed with the SR about Israel ,his deah is the only one that counts.Could someone tell me why?
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ReplyDeleteFrom the noise of this reckless Rodfim following a lone voice in Klal Yisroel.The media starts to feel that all orthodox Jewry are all part of this hate mongering group I believe that the time has come that organizations like Agudas Yisroel, OU and Chabad have a obligation to counter attack this Natronua,Naturie Karta media blitz that is playing in the hands of Hamas/Muslim Brotherhoods Jihadist.
We learn that yichus and FFB really meam nothing.... not in Torah, not in Avodah and not in Gemilus Chassidim. We recently learned that was true with smicha (Rabbi T and Co.) and of course with money. Yechi the BT!
ReplyDeletethis whole skvere fiasco is getting very serious... watch your input right or left..yidden "al samod al dam reiacu!"
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ReplyDelete"We learn" you claim 'learn' because you didnt learn, it means a lot! if you behave right.. and it means a lot if you dont beahve right.
"reckless Rodfim"
ReplyDeleteLook who is calling the the kettle black, the bigest rodfim of klal yisrael since amalek wre the 'tzionim' and you want their cohort's like the aguda,ou,chabad and their like to rescue whom ?
klainer (cup)
ReplyDelete"his deah is the only one that counts.Could someone tell me why?"
Because he is the only one that had a 'deah' ! (henkin who?)
Anon
ReplyDelete"the bigest rodfim of klal yisrael since amalek wre the 'tzionim"
how is Bibi A Rodeph? because he does not let himself been thrown out from our Country?
Are the Bnie Yoel,Zalonim, Natronoi and Aronim ready to leave Monroe on the whim of some politician?
Will Moshe Ber Beck or Domb leave their houses in Monsey and London when some gentile neighbor will start harassing them?
Anon
ReplyDelete"Because he is the only one that had a 'deah' ! (henkin who?)"
how do you have 'deah' when Klal Yisroel is not listening?
"how is Bibi A Rodeph?"
ReplyDeleteIs a lemon an esroig ?
"how is Bibi A Rodeph?"
ReplyDeleteBy representing a government who chased out a million Palestine from their homes, by instigating the six day war to annex more land, by desecrating the land with all toavous!, by rodfing 'all' charadim in his possesion, by humiliating the jewish people worldwide making them look like murderers, by alienating the only country in the world who is watching over the jews worldwide (including israelis) from harm!!! you want more hallow…
"how do you have 'deah' when Klal Yisroel is not listening?"
ReplyDeleteyou the one who asked "how come he is the only one who has a deah" by the way did moshe rabeni have a deah? (when no one was listening) do you have a deah?
Anon
ReplyDelete"By representing a government who chased out a million Palestine from their homes,"
It seems that you are big historian,
Were there a Million Palestinians in Palestine in 1948, can you come back with legitimate numbers not with hot air?
If it would be only 10 Palestinians, then he would still be a rodeph, or the lucky number is a million?
BTW, if Monroe would get some free government property in Harriman NY for free, and some Indians would still live their, will Moshe Lieb Witriol throw them out by force or thru some Marshal with a pistol at their neck?
Anon
ReplyDelete"by instigating the six day war to annex more land"
is this a fact of the Al Hageula? or a claim of Chamas?
Anon
ReplyDelete"by desecrating the land with all toavous!, by rodfing 'all' charadim in his possesion, "
does this make a rodeph? or a simple Shiegetz like the liberals Bloomberg, Koch, Shumer etc... who get rallies of thousands of Tinokes shel Bies Rabon Sheloi Tuami Taam Chet(Sin),on Lee ave cor Rodney? This kids would never be taken to a Kabolas Punim of, for instance a Hieliger Yid as Reb Moshele Visnitzer, their holy eyes would get impure Rachmone Litzlan
Btw, that Shagetz Bibi, and all Shegotzim before him, are responsible for the biggest growth of Torah centers and Yiddishkiet since Churban Bies shieni, even if you excluse the 300 bucherim of Dushinsky and TA. And no Admor or Rosh, is sitting in the Israeli prison for providing for his Mossad.
Anon
ReplyDelete"by humiliating the jewish people worldwide making them look like murderers,"
Is a speech in congress and applauded by both sides of the aisle, Humiliation? Then Hashem, give me more of it and more often?
what does any of this have to do with Skver?!
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ReplyDelete"by alienating the only country in the world"
in our democracy what makes the country?
the People? (check the polls)
or the President? (we B"H don't have a monarchy)
Azi, 'since their Shemiras Einiem is very important"
ReplyDeleteAbsurd evn to say, after the rebbe is gazing face to face with rebetzin Hillary !
Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציגsaid... what does any of this have to do with Skver?!
ReplyDeleteyou're right every topic someone turns it on to satmar bashing! and than the vitriol starts! (it takes 2 to tango as the saying goes)
"This kids would never be taken to a Kabolas Punim of, for instance a Hieliger Yid as Reb Moshele Visnitzer"
ReplyDeleteI hope not, but when skulener rebbe came to america I was a kid but satmar did make him a grand kabulas punim almost like for their rebbe!, for the rest of your rambling go learn v'yoel moshe.. 3 times maybe just maybe you to will start to understand the daas torah! vs daas bal habayis (or, daas apikorsis)
Anon
ReplyDelete"I hope not, but when skulener rebbe came to america I was a kid but satmar did make him a grand kabulas punim almost like for their rebbe!"
thanks for your information, where was the Kaboles punim for the Skulener? in the Satmar Cheder? or on the streets of Willi?
what year was that? 1961?
Anon
ReplyDelete"just maybe you to will start to understand the daas torah! vs daas bal habayis (or, daas apikorsis)"
in Satmar they dont use this language.In the Satmar ideology Emunas Chachomim was ridiculed, Kechol Asher Yorichu of the Aguda was the Butt of Jokes by the SR and his chasidim.
Anon
ReplyDelete""I hope not"
is The holy Visnitzer also a rodeph as Bibi? is the holy Visnitzer not a Shomer Habris as the SR?
"is The holy Visnitzer also a rodeph as Bibi?"
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