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רבי חיים שטייין זצ"ל
Reb Chaim Shteyn
עולם התורה באבל
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I was zoche to shake his hand many years ago when my father, zgz, took me to some of the Melava Malkas in the old/new Bais Yaakov of BP. That's where I saw some of the other Roshei Yeshiva, including Rav Gifter, z"l. I also remember going to some of the shiurim they had in the Telsher "Shtiebel" in BP, where Reb Chaim would give shiur.
Telshe, 1936
מ'האלט שוין ביים דריט'ן שבר אין צוויי וואכעו, אפשר איז שוין צייט תשובה טאהן און שלום מאכען צווישין אידין.
ReplyDeleteווי עס ווערט ג'ברענגט אין נאמען פון הייליקען ווארקער רבי אין פ' קרח
אין מחזיקין במחלוקת
ע' ספה"ק זרע יצחק ותמצא נחת ועונג רוחני
BTW tzig,his shvuger was one of the founders of Kfar Chabad, R' Elya Zaks. Ah heiser Chabadsker. He was rebitzin steins brother.
ReplyDeleteYeh I know now after this little tid bit, like the good Lube Bavitcher that you are, R' Chaim will go up another couple of notches in your eyes.
Can anyone verify if R' chaim was the Zman's 100's club ?
ReplyDeleteWord is that all this is happening cus of Zman Magazine, so now we dont have to do Teshuva. can anyone verify this?
ReplyDeletewho's in the picture?
ReplyDeleteI heard him at the siyum hashas in Madison Sq Gardens in 2005. A beautiful litvishe yiddish that you rarely get to hear nowadays.
ReplyDeleteis rav chaim in the 1936 pic?
ReplyDeleteHt where did u get the pic from? can u tell us whos in it?
ReplyDeleteI would not call it is SHever godol these people all lived close to 100!!!!
ReplyDeleteEveryone dies when we are in gulus!!!!
They all lived long healthy lives!!!
SHever is when gedolim die young like Hagaon Shteinwartzel who died at 56 etc.... or in previous doros reb mayer schapiro at 50
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI would not call it is SHever godol these people all lived close to 100!!!!
nebach ah shaoiteh iz oich ah shoite.
to loose gedoilei torah from any chug is a tragedy, we just lost 3 in 2 weeks, its a catastrophe!! hashem yiracheim aleinu!
Pardon my ignorance, but was it normal in lita in those days to get married after 30?
ReplyDeleteBut now we really that blogger to tell his who is the "zkan roshei yeshivos"...
ReplyDeleteHT,
ReplyDeletefor all the lubab haters I'll give them something to bash us about.
RCS helped numerous chassidim come to the USA after the war with visas that they are needed in the yeshiva. This includes Mottel Shusterman (the baal koireh by the Rebbe), Mottel Rivkin, the Schapiros and others. Some of them lived in cleveland for a while and deeply respected him. Gershon Shusterman told me that his father made a point to visit Reb Chaim from time to time just to show hakoras hatoiv.
he and the late rabbi pesach stein remind us all that not every teacher at the telshe yeshiva in wickliffe was hot tempered,cruel, politically manipulative, or self-centered.
ReplyDeleteI never said that Reb Chaim was in the picture!!!
ReplyDeletethis whole zkan Roshie yeshiva title stems from the gutless charadie journalisim,
ReplyDeleteCan they start crowning the star of the Rosh world,
Who gives the best original shiur in the Yeshiva world, the younger he is the better?
Did someone right something great in the yeshiva world? let him be 35, let the world consult him on leadership matters.
Is their a new Reb Chaim Brisker on the horizon? some new modern methods in torah?
I had a zhcis to talk to him and his wife 20+ years ago. Did not have a drop of yeshus in himself-1 was 2 years out of Russia, was barely able to learn a blot gemure, and he spoke to me like equal (in Russian, by the way).
ReplyDeleteGentlemen:
ReplyDeleteAll comments posted today on this blog under the name schneur were not fom me. they were an act of provocation.
I have not posted in the last week and have not even looked at this site.Friends informed me of this cowardly act.
As for the people who did it, if you continue, I will consider taking appropriate action.
הק' שמואל גרונםsaid...
ReplyDeleteInteresting I have seen in several chasidishe seforim (comes to mind prei tzadig parshes korach) that maclokis can be good sometimes.. I'll agree that not all are good you have to diferentiate.. and thats what is the issue which one yes or no v'dl
Groinem
ReplyDeletethe Maharal entertains that idea alot
Schneur
ReplyDeleteIs there legal action that are available for this grave matter?
What is exactly the zechus of shaking someone's hand? It's not like his kavod hateyreh is going to rub off on you. I'm actually surprised a Rosh Yeshiva such as Rav Stein zt"l would touch a chabadsker.
ReplyDeleteShmuel
ReplyDeleteThe biggest loss here is that a hateful ferd like yourself thinks that you follow in Reb Chaim's footsteps..
Hershel
ReplyDeleteI'm impressed that you published my comment. I'm not a hateful ferd, I just feel that the GRA's cherem on the chassidim has not ended thereby causing all chassidim to be mechutz lamachaneh. Can you imagine if the GRA lived today and could see what Chabad has become? I don't think any Rov in their right mind after walking into 770 Beis Moshiach would want to touch a lubavitcher with a ten foot pole. Unless you think creating a shvil and running around with flags are behaviors of sane people. And did I mention motzei shabbos video worship sessions? THE CHEREM STANDS.
Litvishe Yiddish:
ReplyDeleteYes, the Yeedish (thats the way IB Singer pronounced it) of the wannabe Briksers are all Nuch'ge'Macht
Then again, thats true for Chasidim and Chasidish Yeedish too
R Shmuel
ReplyDeleteNeither today's Chasidim nor today's Chabad want to Nikneh Derech Agav with each other, in other words, they play in different leagues.
Who's better, who's worse, we'll never know, one plays lacrosse, the other rugby
he and the late rabbi pesach stein remind us all that not every teacher at the telshe yeshiva in wickliffe was hot tempered,cruel, politically manipulative, or self-centered."
ReplyDeleteTeachers ?
If you had a bad experience -meyle.
Even if you have justifiable reason to deem a magid shiur not rouy lkach remember The Rbsh"o says Ani Hashem loi Shinisee. You still say ( I hope ) Zois Hatoyro Loi Sehey Muchleffess every day. Remember its still your Toyre as well respect it. A Magid Shiur can be yoiresh gehenom R Chayim Brisker used to der Gehenom ken arraynemmen gantz Varshe az sfelt ois.
But if you disrespect the office of Roshive-Marbitz Toire it reflects on you.
Ifyou blame them for causing your Mahy Ahane Lon Rabonon issues
Know that Chazal didn't hand out indulgences.
You'd be wise to explore what they said about just such people.
Tread carefully my friend.
Re the Cherem. I remember a Bochur in Ohr Sharaga ( no rocket scientst) asking R Y Kaminetzky ZL if he can learn bchavruse with a Chasidisher bochur. R Y said the Cherem wasn't niskabl Alpi Halocho and has no Toykef.
ReplyDeleteShmuel,
ReplyDeleteCan you imagine what the GRA would say if walked into Benei Brak and saw what has become of the Oilam Hateyreh?
Can you imagine what he would say if he knew what was kind of sinah is being perpetrated in his name?
Litvishe Yiddish:
ReplyDeleteYes, the Yeedish (thats the way IB Singer pronounced it) of the wannabe Briksers are all Nuch'ge'Macht
Then again, thats true for Chasidim and Chasidish Yeedish too"
You're evidently unhealthily obsessed with this so allow me to assist. There are families that still converse in this tongue in our basements behind locked shutters and in cladestine lodges where members of the freemasons of lita kurland vrusia halvono meet and "planneveh"(hope you enjoyed that) the destruction of Chasidus with special emphasis on Belz finamoool in hushed tones
Btw mr ib singer was a Galicianer. In correct Lito-yiddish its pronounced Iddish.
"Unless you think creating a shvil and running around with flags are behaviors of sane people. And did I mention motzei shabbos video worship sessions?"
ReplyDeleteMost Lubavitchers that I know of agree that creating a shvil and running around with flags are,to put it mildly,beyond the pale and not part of normative Chabadsker behavior.
"motzei shabbos video worship sessions"
Video Worship??? Whats about Rosh Yeshiva worship that abounds in the Yeshivish/Litvish world today? Do you read the nauseous inserts found in the so called Chareidi press which attribute all kinds of miraculous segules,miracles and brochos if you drink the wine or contribute to various tzedokehs supposedly favored by certain Litveshe Gedolim? These "literary masterpieces" make the Litvishe gedolim into something that chassidim were always accused of. They've turned the Litvishe Gedolim into infallible miracle workers of greater power then that which is attributed to Chassiishe Rebbes and this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Watching a video about a Godol be he Chassidish or Litvish in order to feel a hiskashrus to a Tzaddik as a moreh derech, is no different if not greater then having a picture or portrait of same hanging on the wall.Has some Rov decided that this is idolatrous? Have you seen some psak halocho to that affect? If yes please cite the source.Have you taken upon yourself the mantle of the Gra to make such inflammatory statements? As some other poster so astutely stated that if the Gra were alive to witness that which is transpiring in the Litvish world today he would be appalled.
Go spew your rhetoric so full of vicious and amoratzeshe hatred on some other blog, not here. You've chosen to "hate" then do so by all means but not here.
Also re the Cherem. The Lubavitcher Rebbe ZL's criticising the baale Machloikes( to R Grushke K A"H) by bringing up R Chayim Valozhiners great effort to bury the hatchet (which is 100% true) was somewhat disingenuous since Kehos was still churning out historical sforim that give detailed accounts of the Cherem Vabizrayhu dilley and the whole sharfkiet of the machloykes in vivid detail. I knew a Baal Tshuva vos hot kam gikent a bissl siddur ober hot shoyn givust tzu zogn fun R Avidor fun Pinsk mit R Shmul B"A fun Vilna etc.
ReplyDeleteI (anon 545 pm) made the thoughtless mistake of posting my comment erev your Rebbe's ZL yortzeit. It was insensitive. Tzu sihaltois alpi Toire veys ich nisht ober menchlach iddos nisht givven.
ReplyDeleteUnless you think creating a shvil and running around with flags are behaviors of sane people. And did I mention motzei shabbos video worship sessions?"
ReplyDeleteWhat do you say to the ritualized Shovvim tape session in Satmar on the Motsoey Shabbosim of those weeks?
Trying to be Mefayess the Lubavitcher oylom...(Anon 545)
Chareidi press which attribute all kinds of miraculous segules,miracles and brochos if you drink the wine or contribute to various tzedokehs supposedly favored by certain Litveshe Gedolim?"
ReplyDeleteAs posted before the modern concept of a litvishe brochos bestowing Godol was manufactured by the politicos in EY.
In the Lita Godol meant in Lernen. ie.,the Minsker Godol R Dovidl Karliner R Itzalle Ponevesher Ukdoime. You had Yidden like the Leshem who gave brochos and the like but were not given that title. Even the Chofetz Chaim was not revered because of Godlshaft. ( The extent of his Gadlus BaToire was not known BChayov-as the Brisker rov would lament)
And even those Tzadikim were revered the oilom didn't live that type of life. As opposed to the yid who would make the obligatory trip to Ratzfert before purchasing oxen in Nyiredhaz.
"Btw mr ib singer was a Galicianer"
ReplyDeleteIB Singer was a Poylisher not a Galicianer.
"Go spew your rhetoric so full of vicious and amoratzeshe hatred on some other blog, not here. You've chosen to "hate" then do so by all means but not here."
If you chase away the haters, who will be left?
Anon
ReplyDelete"knew a Baal Tshuva vos hot kam gikent a bissl siddur ober hot shoyn givust tzu zogn fun R Avidor fun Pinsk mit R Shmul B"A fun Vilna etc"
I know too many Baaie Teshuva that were Nikarev thru chabad, and then brainwashed by the Aish Hatorah counselors, started by the Yankel Wienberg brigades , I once heard his talks of chock full of hate, on the Frierdige Rebbe and Reb Shmuel Levitin,
Tehie Mososoi Kaparosoi
"If you chase away the haters, who will be left"
ReplyDeleteIt may be wishful thinking but I would hope that there are some people on this blog that still have some perception as to what the meaning of ahavas Yisroel is, even among those that come across as "haters"
What I fear the most is the dread Litivshe tactic that they visit upon friends and enemies alike, i.e. The Need to Speak. publicly. Halten A Droshe.
ReplyDeleteZogen a Por Verter.
They are Mufkeh from all Taivehs Oilem Hazeh, and all their Taivehs go into Speaking.
They can easily annihilate all their Chasidishe (and internal) enemies B'Koach Ha'dibbur L'Vad, mit Ein Droshe,thats why I'm scared of them.
As we say during a speech "Men Paynigt Yidden"
"Watching a video about a Godol be he Chassidish or Litvish in order to feel a hiskashrus to a Tzaddik as a moreh derech, is no different if not greater then having a picture or portrait of same hanging on the wall."
ReplyDeleteMy precisou "anon3". Please, when you yourself won't get the creeps from the Rebbe's photo in the cradles (something that wasn't placed in their zayda's cradle) you would be able to convince others.
What I fear the most is the dread Litivshe tactic that they visit upon friends and enemies alike, i.e. The Need to Speak. publicly. Halten A Droshe.
ReplyDeleteZogen a Por Verter.
They are Mufkeh from all Taivehs Oilem Hazeh, and all their Taivehs go into Speaking.
They can easily annihilate all their Chasidishe (and internal) enemies B'Koach Ha'dibbur L'Vad, mit Ein Droshe,thats why I'm scared of them.
As we say during a speech "Men Paynigt Yidden""
Bartender -i'll have whatever he's having
Legal action ? I can hire Nat Lewin , or better Ben Braffman
ReplyDeleteThey are Mufkeh from all Taivehs Oilem Hazeh, and all their Taivehs go into Speaking."
ReplyDeleteAlthough I despair in attempting to find coherence in your general point. Let me reasure you I had a leading Godl Roshive in my car. And boy did he enjoy his snapple with straw. Didn't even go through the motions of asking for cup nor glaych ginumen zhlukinen.
Mufka from tayves-is not the issue. Attempting to withstand them is also a rarity amongst our present day crop of clergy.
I meant to say simply that the Litvishe are not into Achila, Shtiya, U'Ch'Doime , but they love to hear themselves talk.
ReplyDeleteSomeone told me that Yarimer Ruv, R Yankel Miller, the badchan, said that "the only difference between Litvishe Sheva Brochos and Hesped is there's one less speaker.
Un Zei Alle Huben Moire as the Niftar Alein vet A'Rois'Krich'en Fun Aron un Un'Heib'en Red'en"
Miller, the badchan, said that "the only difference between Litvishe Sheva Brochos and Hesped is there's one less speaker.
ReplyDeleteUn Zei Alle Huben Moire as the Niftar Alein vet A'Rois'Krich'en Fun Aron un Un'Heib'en Red'en"
GIVALDOVNEH!
He too was is Samarakand
ReplyDeletehis life too was saved by the old Chabad Chisidim
in fact half his or his wifes family are Shpitz Chabad