try the Sefardi Spanish/Portuguese נוסח instead
It may be long and drawn out, but if you're musical you'll enjoy it, at least for one year. They have real nusach for kinos, which brings new meaning to what you're saying. אחב"י הספרדים seem to have alot more tolerance when it comes to shul and services in general. They can daven forever, even the irreligious ones. Speaking of which, I see that they have the end of fast listed at 8:53pm in NYC tomorrow. That's a whopping 27 minutes post-Shkiah. Can somebody tell us what shittah/shiur they use when calculating the EOF? Is that they z'man for motzoei Shabbos too?
Have yourselves a "Meaningful" תשעה באב
That's the zman that the Rebbe went out for maariv all the years on a taanis (before eating. Its based on the zman that the rabonim (in the 30s) in NY made (later updated by reb Moshe z"l nevertheless he said lechumra etc.) I have the original sefer but not handy at the moment.....
ReplyDeleteThat's the zman that the Rebbe went out for maariv all the years on a taanis (before eating. Its based on the zman that the rabonim (in the 30s) in NY made (later updated by reb Moshe z"l nevertheless he said lechumra etc.) I have the original sefer but not handy at the moment.....
ReplyDeleteWhere did you see 8:53?
ReplyDeleteMost websites say 9:PM
On their website it says 8:53
Deleteonly in lubavitch could there be such thing as tired of TB, obviously because they have a messiah DISGUSTING
ReplyDeleteis the music in the background, of tisha beov at night? or a midyear recording?
ReplyDeleteAfter tisha bav ,call the office of the shul and ask themThis is a lehakel zman for a taanis which is not midoraiysa. They also may have a kabala of zmanim which may relate to spain which may be earlier. There are other real sfard shuls that have these ,what some would consider,early zemanim. Every place has their mesora
ReplyDeletethe chida in his sefer birchei yosef writes in siman 261 cvar pushat haminhag bieretz hatzvi kihageonim it seems that the sfardim went with the geonim
ReplyDeleteSome sefardim even have the minhag to end ta'anios d'rabanan at shkia. My Lebanese friends davened maariv, ate, and said krias shma again afterwards.
ReplyDeleteSome Ashkenazim have real nusach for kinos too. I had the privilege to hear an old American Litvak do Eicha and Kinnos. At least it was a privilege until he motioned me to read one... then it really turned into tisha b'av.
eicho, yes, but kinos? other than keili tzion, of course
ReplyDeleteTzig: It's not "keili tziyon" - the word is not a shem hashem, it's "alee", or in other versions "elee", like the refrain in a couple of the kinos, "allelai lee".
ReplyDelete"Lament for Zion and her cities..."
that was tongue-in-cheek, thanbo
ReplyDeleteeven I know basic פירוש המילות
hirshel
ReplyDeletealot of chabad shuls are makil by tanis derabanan less then a 1/2 hour
In Oberlander Shuls they have a Tisha Bav nusach for davening and a for a few of the the Kinos (in addition to Elee Tzion), for example B'tzeisi M'mitzrain/M'Yerushailm, thry have a special tune
ReplyDeleteWho is spreading sinas chinom?
ReplyDeleteDOes any one wait 72 for taanis drabunon?
ReplyDeleteLeib,
ReplyDeletewhere can we hear the tunes?
The Yekkes have a nusach.
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