It's hard to tell who signed this receipt, but I had heard in the past that the great Chossid Reb Shaul Bruk, who was a Rosh Yeshiva and Mashpia there, would go to him for money - and already red in lernen. I've tried to figure out how much that would be in today's money, but to no avail. This was a year or so after the Ponovizher Rov founded his yeshiva and took some of the good bochurim from Achei Tmimim with him, including the R"M Reb Dovid Povarsky. Some of the notable talmidim at that time were none other than the great Reb Yoel Kahan, zol gezunt zein.
ישיבת אחי תמימים, נתיסדה לסנוף לישיבת תומכי תמימים, בישיבת "האחים" כבר הותרה הרצועה ללמוד בהן קצת לימודי חול, וזהו הרבותא שנתמך מהגאון ז"ל
ReplyDeleteהרה"ק מסאטמאר תמך ג"כ בהם כשהשלוחים דאז חזר על פתחו, והוא ז"ל הוזל להם ממונו! ורעיונו בצדו, שמעתי שיש "קבלה" ע"ז
נכון נתקבל בתודה רבה מאת פ"א
ReplyDeleteע"י הראי"ש קרליץ שליט"א
sounds like the donation was from פ"א solicited by chazon ish?
בימים ההם לא היה כמעט שום תמיכה למוסדות החרדיים וצריכה להםפרנס הקומץ הנשארים מהבהלה העולמות זה מן זה, עובדא ידענא שהרב קאלמאנאוויטש ראש ישיבת מיר בברוקלין שהיה מתעכב כפעם במעוני הקיץ שערן ספרינקס נ.י. היה רגיל להתפלל שמה בשב"ק אצל הרבי מסאטמאר ז"ל הוא שאל ורז"ל צוה לעשות שמה מגבית גדול לישיבת מיר בברוקלין! הרב קאלמאנאויטש דרש ורז"ל הגיב בניה וביה על דבריו במלתא בדיחתא
ReplyDeleteמה החידוש?
DeleteA quick search online tells me that in 1945 the Lira in EY had a 1:1 rate to the GBP (British Pound), which as valued at $4.60.
ReplyDeleteAn online inflation calculator says that it is about $750 in today's money. This is all reliable as Wikipedia, so take it for what it's worth, but if it is even remotely correct, then it is pretty amazing.
Also, I can see ח ש ברוק, but it may just as well be any other signature. The second one is definitely ש זלמנוב which is most likely שרגא.
Thanks for sharing this
"that it is about $750"
DeleteThe actual value of the Mitzvah Priceless! (in shekels $.00)
ps, you seem to know plenty for an unknown.
A quick search online tells me that in 1945 the Lira in EY had a 1:1 rate to the GBP (British Pound), which as valued at $4.60.
ReplyDeleteAn online inflation calculator says that it is about $750 in today's money. This is all reliable as Wikipedia, so take it for what it's worth, but if it is even remotely correct, then it is pretty amazing.
Also, I can see ח ש ברוק, but it may just as well be any other signature. The second one is definitely ש זלמנוב which is most likely שרגא.
Thanks for sharing this
Looks like it is signed by Rabbi Eliezer Karasik z"l.
ReplyDelete--ZIY
ואולי עוד יש לומר
ReplyDeleteנתקבל מפ"א דאס הייסט פלוני אלמוני
as in Anonymous or a group, not an individual
דער חז"א קען זיין דער מאסף
that could explain the large sum, if indeed it was such
The Heilige Chazeyn Ish ztvk"l didn't give no $750 to the Lubavitcher academy in 1945.
ReplyDeleteIf you convert the sum given to modern USA dollars, according to one calculation it comes out to around $40 (see http://www.historicalstatistics.org/Currencyconverter.html).
The conversion of historical sums to contemporary ones is not a simple matter, by the way. It may be even less than $40. Or somewhat more.
Anyway, we don't know what the kavonnoh of Maran the Chazon Ish zt"l was then (assuming what is shown here is genuine). Maybe he gave a nominal sum, mishum eivah, mipnei darkei Sholom or something like that. Maybe they had a Litvish Rosh Yeshiva on staff there then, so he wanted to help him with parnosoh.
החותם לכבוד מרן זצ"ל
בתחילת כבודו
DeleteI did not find your currency exchange rate on the site you mentioned.
My research indicates that it is indeed closer to the $740 mark.
Please explain your methodology.
I a. Not doubting or disputing you, just simply asking to explain.
I would think thay even $40 is a pretty significant נתינה if it is to a Yeshiva one is apposes to. I for one do not throw around $40 donations.
I think that rebcharles explanation is currently the most logical, that he was handing over appeal money
Congratulations Tzig, you've made it to the big time!
ReplyDeletehttp://bshch.blogspot.com/2016/11/blog-post_8814.html
Being copied by Shaulson without attribution is a where it's at
Rav shach was political above else. to think a second that it wasn't right to support mosdos hatorah is preposterous and evil, even that school isn't up to "your par", must of the children there came from lower income families, the had a choice to enroll their kids by the outright heretics! and for free! these parents where sacrificial and chose a Chinuch Hatorah! and shach with his political agenda! saw to ostracize "them all" for political gains "his parties gains" !
ReplyDeleteהרה"ק מסאטמאר תמך ג"כ בהם כשהשלוחים דאז חזר על פתחו, והוא ז"ל הוזל להם ממונו! ורעיונו בצדו, שמעתי שיש "קבלה" ע"ז
ReplyDeleteI have a Kabala that satmer ruv had no knowldge in Kabalah
צ"ל: כתב-קבלה, ולך בודאי אין שום "קבלה", הכל משפה ולחוץ הוא
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ReplyDelete"בישיבת "האחים" כבר הותרה הרצועה ללמוד בהן קצת לימודי חול, ו"
What exactly are you
saying??
Heshy,
ReplyDeleteDid you take it from shoulson, or, kedarkoi bakoidesh, to he take it from you?
As usual he has his own "chidush":That the chazon ish donated every year.
Do your home work!
Deletehirshel posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2016
הבן-שאול: יום שני, 21 בנובמבר 2016
Tzig says: "Please think before you write!"
I did not take it from Shaulson
ReplyDelete"I did not find your currency exchange rate on the site you mentioned."
ReplyDeleteAnyone who follows instructions, and understands English decently, can find it at http://www.historicalstatistics.org/Currencyconverter.html
Those who want to know the truth can check it out themselves. Those that want to believe baloney stories can fool themselves, but don't deceive others.
papa dont preach.
DeleteI went to the site, but currency converter does not work, it keeps spitting back an error message.
DeleteAs for me, I am not claiming to be an expert, but may I suggest that it is saying that 10 pounds is $40 in 1945 (the pound was fluctuated between. $4.60 and $4.10 in 1945. There was a major monetary conference at Bretton woods in 1945 that caused a major crash of the pound).
This would seem about right, putting 10 pounds in the area of $40, which in TODAY'S money may be about $750.
As far as all my research indicates the Israeli Lira was pegged at 1:1 to the pound. According to your calculation, it would be valued at about 20:1 to the pound.
This was indeed the case AFTER 1948, When the Bank Leumi was the ccentral bank, and took about 5 years to stabilize the currency.
You may know about the severe reccesion of the early 50's in EY.
Anyway. It seems to me that the under British rule, the Lira EY was pegged to the pound, which has NEVER been worth than the Dollar.
NO ONE can claim that $10 in 1945 would be $40 today.
Either way, I have no Negia either way. Just a bias toward historical accuracy.
I just request that you provide your methodology.
I still believe that rebcharles explanation makes the most sense.
ושלום על ישראל
thanks mr fact, for making velvel devel into clarifying this matter, velvel shows some promising potential in "real economics" .
DeleteAnonymous Monday, November 21, 2016 3:12:00 PM
ReplyDeleteמה החידוש?
הרב קאלמענאוויטש אמר בהדרשה שלו, שהקהל פה הם נתבעים ונותנים לחיזוק התורה למוסדות "החרדים" בחשק גדול וכמעט בכל שבוע, ואני מכריז ומודיע שגם אם נותנים ל'מיר (ר"ל מירער ישיבה) הוא ג"כ נחשב לחזקת התורה! וצריכים להשתתף, אבל העם שלא היה רגילים "ללשונו" חיוך קל נפל עליהם כשהוא אומר "גיבט פאר מיר" רביז"ל תפס "מחשבת העם" ותומ"י הגיה בצחת לשונו, ער מיינט נישט מען זאל געבען "פאר איהם" דהיינו "פאר מיר" רק יש באמת "ישיבת מיר בברוקלין" וצריכים לעומדם בשעת דוחקם!
קצת חידוש: שמעתי, בשנות הראשונים באמעריקא רביז"ל נעתר לבקשות הרב מענדלאויטש ליתן שיעור בגפ"ת באיזה סוגיות הש"ס בישיבת מיר, אחר השיעור רביז"ל אמר להיושבים שמה בהשיעור בצחות לשונו: שהתלמידים כאן הם אינם "ברם כתוכם" מפני שבתוכם הם יר"א ולומדים טוב, אבל בחיצינותיהם הם מגלחי זקן, ומגדלי בלוריות, והלבישם בלבוש נכרית, א' "מהמתקדמים" שהיה מגי"ש שמה הגיב על דברי רביז"ל ופגע בו קשות ובאמצע אמר: הכבדתי כבודך לאמר שיעור בגפ"ת ולא לאמור לנו מיסור דרשה, התם הזה אף לא הבין שפגע בקדשי שמים! אבל הר"ר אברהם ז"ל כבר ידע את כל אשר נעשה, והוא היה המליץ יושר "ביניהם" בין המחנה אמעריקאנער יודן, למחנה הנשארים לפליטה.. ואכמ"ל עוד ישראל קדושים הם נתבעים ונותנים אף שהם אינם יודעים למי שנותנים! ואף שהם "יודעים" למי שנותנים חידוש באמת