"ונוסף ע"ז והוא העיקר אשר בשבת הוד כ"ק אדמו"ר האמצעי על כסא הנשיאות בליובאוויטש (בשנת תקע"ד) נתן צו ופקודה לכל העיירות בפלכי רוסיא הלבנה שהחסידים יבנו להם בתי תפלה ביחוד, ולא יכנסו להתפלל אפילו באקראי בבתי הכנסת ובתי מדרש של המתנגדים, והעובר על זה יענש בריחוק. והיו מקרים אשר האדמו"ר האמצעי צוה לאנ"ש הדרים בעיירות אשר לא הי' שם מנין אנ"ש שיתפללו ביחידות, וקריאת התורה לשמוע מאחורי הדלת או החלון"
Chassidim should build their own Shuls. They should not daven in The Shuls of the Misnagdim even temporarily, or per chance. There were cases that the Mitteler Rebbe told Chassidim in Towns where there was no Chassidic Shul that they should Daven on their own without a Minyan. and they should hear Krias HaTorah through the door or window.
I think it was a time-specific statement, sir H.
ReplyDeleteDuh!
ReplyDeleteMy point is not that you should not daven in Lakewood Minyan or your local Shul, but rather to bring out a point, Sir CE.
And your point is...?
ReplyDeleteI think we need Amshinover here quick!
ReplyDeletewhen was this rescinded? are we allowed to daven in a Misnagdishe Shul today?
ReplyDeleteon Wednesday, August 10, 2005
ReplyDeleteyou posted "Why the hate?" you have answered your own question
no, Amshi, you're mistaken. This was a reaction to the hate, and after 60-70 years!
ReplyDeleteI see I hit a sore spot with Amshinover. I did not mean to. Please don't see it a personal affront. We can agree to disagree, or maybe you can convince me otherwise.
ReplyDeletei'm sorry maybe you confused me with some pansy jblgger?to me there are no sore spots (no 1/4 asked or given)
ReplyDelete2)this type of sinking to the litvaks level has always led to more pain.1 litvak is bad 2 is a cherem.
To answer CE's question,
ReplyDeleteMaybe the point was that Chassidim need to join together and display their staying power? They had been persecuted by then for 70-80 years and should not take it anymore?
I find it hard to believe that even after joining with Litvishe Gedolim at Rabbinic conferences the Tzemach Tzedek would still write something like that.
ReplyDeleteWhere in the shu"t is this printed? could you give a better address?
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ReplyDeletethe truth is I have yet to find it. I did, however, hear it on a tape from a lecture given by Rabbi Berel Wein, world's greatest Jewish Revis------, I mean historian.
Tzig,
ReplyDeleteyou read AND quote the Lubavitcher babbe mayses
but...
call R'Wein a revisionist?
Amshinover:Are you a chusid of the Rebbe from Bayit VEGAN?
If you are were did you get the hate for Litvakes?SURELY not from the Rebbe who is A)A loving man B)The son of a Lutvak.If you are a chused of Boro Park....
Yeruchem, I guess you need to rethink history.
ReplyDeletepipik, so much katnus hamochin caused by this one that you post twice?! I thought better than you. Until I see you insult the FR. And you expect to be taken seriously here?
Unfortunately Pipik is not alone in this, it's quite popular today to doubt and totally negate the FR. (even amongst other Chassidim)
ReplyDeleteWhich Teshuvah is it
ReplyDeleteI'm working on it. Maybe I'll need to call Rabbi Wein or send him an e-mail.
ReplyDeletei can ask RBW, but that is not the point ,it is mamesh time to move on.let the hate die in europe besides these old fights are tiresome,we still have not brought R'a.Bar katela(Kotler)to justice
ReplyDeleteWhy do Chassidim have to be the ones to move on and forget, while they can continue with their rhetoric?
ReplyDeleteWhy do Chassidim have to be the ones to move on and forget, while they can continue with their rhetoric?
ReplyDeletebecause reb hirshel we chassedim are base our nussach of yiddishkiet on love they do not.(SEE FOR EXAMPLE THE STORIES OF HIRSHEL TZIG maybe you heard of him??)
oh
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Amshinover:You did not answer my question about who your Rebbe is.
ReplyDeleteHershel:I have to commend you, seriously.I did not think you would 'chap' to what I alluded to regarding 'versions' of history.You are right of course,non Lubavitchers view it as an historic novel which can be an interesting read, by the facts are clearly not actual 'facts'.
S(The reason I had to couch my terms was because of 'pachad' from the 'tzenzor')
'' can ask RBW, but that is not the point ,it is mamesh time to move on.let the hate die in europe besides these old fights are tiresome,we still have not brought R'a.Bar katela(Kotler)to justice''
ReplyDeleteSo so silly.
But you spent thousands and lots of diplomatic good will to save the library in Warsaw...........while live Jews were burning.
That's 'yoisher' Sad.
(And repeating the same shtus in Russia for umpteen years again)
And you are such a Rosho that you would consider one a contradiction to the other in order that the feier zol flakern.
ReplyDeleteFirst a Mevazeh Talmidei Chachomim, then a Holech Rochil and Toen Sheker. What next?
I see our blog must go on, we have much work to do , my friends. With people like Pipik around we may not rest. The truth is he's not to blame, he's had his played with. This that the Chazon Ish drank orange Juice in Bnei Brak and din't lift a finger to save his brethren in Europe doesn't bother him, The Rebbe he has Taanos against.
ReplyDeletehe's had his played with
ReplyDelete=he's had his head played with.
I've never heard Tzigs 'novel' argument that the Chazon Ish did nothing.
ReplyDeleteQuite pathetic........as if people in than Palestine could do a great deal.The money and power was in America not Eretz Yisroel .Chabad proved that if need be they could move mountains to SAVE WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM!!!!!!
(What happened with the Library in Warsaw at the end?)
Amshinover:Do you mind answering which Amshinover Rebbe you follow?
Guravitzer:What was Sheker in what I wrote?
ReplyDeleteOh, you mean like the Keren Hatzolah, that only rescued who was important to them?
ReplyDeleteFor some reason the Ponovizher Rov didn't think so. He thought Palestine could do plenty.
ReplyDeleteRight.Do you even know how many Jews lived in Eretz Yisroel during the time, eh?
ReplyDeleteLot of work to do,folks.
avremel said...
ReplyDeleteOh, you mean like the Keren Hatzolah, that only rescued who was important to them?
Avremel, I know you are a Chabadsker who has been programmed to believe that only Chabad did, does and will do.The truth however is :Lubavitch did 'diddly squat' for Jews during the war.Now you may say,'What could they do they were a small group?' .True, but, then why start a war with keren hatzoleh, when you do zilch,and when it was important you found, money, diplomatic ties even for a library, while Jews burned in Warsaw!You still want to be taken seriously?
For Shame. (and Tzig will probably censor this post)
Pipik said: "The truth however is Lubavitch did 'diddly squat' for Jews during the war."
ReplyDeletethat's right, they just drank Vodka and cursed Misnagdim.
And claimed that the Previous Rebbe was about to me nisgaleh as Moshiach.......
ReplyDeleteand cursed Misnagdim.
ReplyDeleteAll the while Reb Yaakon Kaminetzky and Rav Ruderman, and Reb Moshe Feinstein, and Reb Elya Meir Bloch, and the Tzelemer Rov, and the Mattersdorfer Rov were busy saving Jews by the millions, right?
and Reb SF Mendelovitch.
ReplyDeleteand of course it was very important in 1943 to print Shev Shmaytses in Shanghai when people were starving to death.
Nobody in Shanghai Starved to death.
ReplyDeleteAnother Chabadsker fairy tale.Add that to their famous collection.
No wonder that many believe the Rebbe is still alive, fantasy haS always been a big part of Lubavitch.
We have a lot of work, folks!
(Tzig, I hope you are not angry that I stole your tag line. It'S a good one and very true!So many brainwashed people out there who can't face reality)
The post above was mine
ReplyDeletepipikel
ReplyDeleteDo you mind answering which Amshinover Rebbe you follow?
how do you know i am not the Amshinover rebbe
It is obvious from the style of language that this quote was not written by the Tzemach Tzedek.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure about it.
are you accusing me of making it up?
ReplyDeletewho died and made an expert on if he said it or not?
ReplyDeleteeven if what Anonymous said that the quote was not written by the Tzemach Tzedek, is wrong(i think he is right,the style is not wordy enough).
ReplyDeletewithout the mar makom (which should be in the maf'tach volume)we do not know the context(consider the length of most of his writtings), what seems to be le'genai, might be le'she'vach.
I'm NOT so sure about it.
Amshi:I have a feeling I know who your rebbe is
ReplyDeletevda'l
Amshinover's rebbe is RBW
ReplyDeleteThese takanos regrading relationships with misnagdim were mad by the Mitteler Rebbe while still while the fire of machloikes was still raging. Thus, the Mitteler Rebbe wanted to his chassidim to avoid confrontationn with misnagdim, and therefore made these takanos.
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