(Photo courtesy of Shturem)
A simple aluminum (!) Menorah which the Rebbe had in his posession still from his days in Europe, and which he used until the last Chanukah in New York.
I thought of comparing that to the monstrosities used by the Other Tzaddikim of our generation, but I reconsidered....
What kind of menayrehs did the other Rebbeim of Lubavitch in the past use ? Any photos or info around ?
ReplyDeleteWhen and where in Europe did he get it ? France ? Berlin ? Russia ? Before the chassunah ? After ?
ReplyDeleteThere's a photo of the FR sitting at the Menayreh in 5710, weeks b4 the histalkus. I'll try and get it posted.
ReplyDeleteI would refer you to the article at Shturem. Just click on the link.
there is some rare photo i think of R Rashab that was in posession of the althaus family in australia.
ReplyDeletenot sure of details.
I usually get your point, but I am missing this one. Are you trying to say that the Rebbe didn't need a big fancy manora for himself? that is not a good point! I have been by many rebbes who use pashute looking kiddush bechers because they are from the Sanzer or someone else holy. This menora happens to have a special signifigance for the Rebbe. But it didn't stop all the shlichim from erecting the most monstrous menoras ever seen.
ReplyDeleteduvie, did not occur to you that the purpose of the 'monstrous' menorahs that the shluchim erect is to publicise the mitzva aka pirsumei nisa
ReplyDeleteABC,
ReplyDeleteDid it occur to you that those 'monstrosities' (Tzig:'nice' name for a dvar mitzvah)are usually lit in a very public way as in front of hundreds OF their chasidim in their beis hamedresh??
Well you are a Lubavitcher so I can't expect you to give a hoot about what other chassidim do,but such ignorance?
VML
ReplyDeleteSorry that you take offense, but for some reason I doubt your sincerity. The "craze" of huge Menayres has nothing to do with Pirsumei Nissa. Every two-bit kid today gets a huge one at his wedding. So please, let's not confuse the 2.
Noch a zach:
ReplyDeleteAdmorei Chabad may have had large Menayres in the past, as well as some of the other Malbushei kovod
that seems to "make the man" today with regards to Rebbes and Rosh Yeshivos. In my estimation the Rebbe what has become of the Chitzoneus of Chassidus and abolished it, much like the Nesivos Sholom of Slonim did, albeit to a lesser extent. So too with the Menayres, it's become a joke to see the size of those things today, with each G'vir trying to outdo the other, getting the Rebbe to use the 6 foot menayreh that he bought.
Hirshel, i mamish don't get it. you made a good point & there's no reason to nitpick. I used a similar menorah ( to one depicted) as a bochur. & yes it is intresting to see the Rebbe using that menorahall his years.
ReplyDeleteMacabe…
ReplyDeleteThere is no point to tzigs post, what a shameful, disgraceful and amateurish post.
“I thought of comparing that to the monstrosities used by the Other Tzaddikim of our generation, but I reconsidered....”
You yourself call them Tzadikim so why make fun of them in a back handed comment?
Besides the point that many Tzadikim use the same style menorah.
What do you want to get out from your post, that the rebbe was great? That he was one of a kind? A Nossi? Tzadik Hador? That we know without your pathetic post. There is absolutely no way you should disparage other Tzadikim and leaders of communities that was NOT the derech of the Rebbe.
Change you name to TIPISH
It's amazing to me that such noble and tolerant people like the above poster that claim to care about everybody else have no problem being judge and jury when it comes to me. They claim to know what I mean even when I don't write my feelings, and have no qualms about attacking me. It sounds like a typical guy who preaches "tolerance" and "free-speech" yet only allows opinions that concur with them.....
ReplyDeleteI guess you might say "short people wear high heels".
ReplyDeleteI was also surprised that you called them Tzaddikim. i ssume you mean Tzaddikim that they do good things, while the Rebbe is a Tanya Tzaddik.
ReplyDeleteDuvie et. al.:
ReplyDeletedon't take my words so literally, if you like i'll change it to Rebbes, (or Rebbelach...)
Tzig:Please don't act as if the gist of your posts(and blog) was misunderstood.You are trying to prove, show etc how great your rebbe was by minimizing all and any others (unless they were 'mekabel malchus' dahn veren they 'tsadikim')
ReplyDeleteYou could have made a nice positive post:'Look at the simple menorah of the Rebbe' ,instead you take a slap at the other 'wannabee' rebbes.That's your choice, but why the righteous indignation when we, the frum world don't see it your way, when instead of seeing mivtza moshiach as positive we see it for the Moshichist/yechi/boreinu mess it has left us with.
Practice what you preach
VML
ReplyDeletewhat can I say, you're totally posessed, and need to see some sort of witch doctor.
Every post needs to end up with Yechi?Boreinu? Can you never address the topic at hand?
Tzig:I did address the subject at hand:Your need to make everybody small to make your REBBE GREAT.
ReplyDeleteBTW I don't end every post with yechi or boreinu, however is it not 'interesant' that the only 'chasides' that has many members who think/say their rebbe who passed on many years back is alive or..........chas vesholom 'creator of the world' is the Chochma ,bina voda'as chasides.That does not bother you, you are bothered that some rebbes have beautiful menorahs.
VML
ReplyDeleteyou're absolutely correct. That and the only religion that had Communism, Socialism, Zionism, Reform, Bugsy Siegel and the ACLU was the religion that claims to have a monopoly on G-d.
J-U-D-A-I-S-M.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
Ahem........were all of the members of the above groups Orthodox Jews?Did they keep shabos, grow beards, study 'chasides'?
ReplyDeleteI thought not.
So let's reiterate the question:Why is it that a so called 'chassides'made up of ostensibly Orthodox Jews is the only ORTHODOX group where many members believe that their deceased leader is 'alive' or the 'creator' chas vesholom?
Please note:The Lubavitcher are not members of the ELVIS Presley Lives fan club, though it may seem so, neither are they members of the UFO club.
ich veis nit ver Elvis Presley is, but the point is clear. How can Judaism be the true religion when this is what it produces?!
ReplyDeleteJust for the record tzig, are you placing the Meshichistim with
ReplyDelete>Communism, Socialism, Zionism, Reform, Bugsy Siegel and the ACLU< ?
which records do you keep?
ReplyDeleteLAJew
ReplyDeleteif I did would I tell you and give you the satisfaction? noooooooo.
Ferd, I mean Tzig that exactly what you wrote
ReplyDeleteVML
you're absolutely correct. That and the only religion that had Communism, Socialism, Zionism, Reform, Bugsy Siegel and the ACLU was the religion that claims to have a monopoly on G-d.
J-U-D-A-I-S-M.
did I ever tell anybody I was a masochist?
ReplyDeletebring it on LAJew, VML, I can take it.
The problem with the Lubavitcher is that they never look at their own backyard.The Moshichists own 770, make sure the Rebbe still gets to his seat unobstructed by making a 'shura' for him at the beginning of every prayer service.He still gets aliyahs, etc.
ReplyDeleteIn fact the so called 'rational' Lubavitch spent hundreds of thousands of dollars for 24 hour security to guard a plaque which referred to the Rebbe as deceased to no avail.That stone was still shmashed.Back at the ranch our dear Tzig is bothered that some rebbes have large menorahs....................................
Get back to us when you manage to persuade Ariel Sokolovsky and his fellow 'elokisten' that the Rebbe is not G-d chas vesholom.We will than discuss the 'important' issues of menorah sizes
Happy Chanukah
ReplyDeletephew! lajew! come on, what has you worked up today?
ReplyDeleteIn the spirit of Chanukah, I wish you all a meaningful Chanukah.
ReplyDeleteTzig just for your info, (if you want it) I love Lubavitch, I am Lubavitch and a Chosid of Lubavitch, I just dont think you do a good job in defending or being an advocate for Lubavitch, sometimes its better to do what you have to do (Tairah, mitzvos vechuli) and as the song goes, aler soinim zolen plazten.
I say wall. The Rambam menayreh is only for the large ones like in public. V'chain ani noheg.
ReplyDeleteMy shver gave me the money, I did the purchasing.
ReplyDeletewhat about "Hiddur Mitzvah"?
ReplyDeleteIsn't that the point of having large silver Menorahs?
Hiddur Mitzva is the most overused term these days. Everybody who wants to be Memaleh Tayve blames the Mitzvah. Please.
ReplyDeleteAnd I thought 'the Lubavitcher Rebbe says' was the most overused term
ReplyDeleteHey bum, you forgot to drink your vodka today?
ReplyDeleteChill out
Yasher Kayach, es kert mir brechen fun di greyse meneyres fun unzere hayntike zadikim. The teitch is ZEH Keli (mit a Kof - dos is my keli - my ego -) veanvayhu and I will glorify my ego.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it that the Litvishe roshe yeshiva and the lubavitcher rebbe used small Menorahs and rebbes from other countries especially Medinas H need huge menoras ?
Again Yeyasher I have never sen a photo of the rebbe's Menorah it made my week of chanukah
Es freit mir di hartz to see that you approve. I'm proud to be the source of your happiness.
ReplyDeleteWonder how old that hanukkiah is? If it predates 1886, it could have been worth a lot of money when it was made. Aluminum used to be very expensive to refine, until the Hall-Heroult process made it cheap & easy in 1886 (first factory using this process built 1888 in Pittsburgh, USA).
ReplyDeleteThanbo
ReplyDeleteit was bought new in the 1940's, so I doubt it pre-dates 1886.
"I was also surprised that you called them Tzaddikim. i ssume you mean Tzaddikim that they do good things, while the Rebbe is a Tanya Tzaddik."
ReplyDeleteIIRC, a distinction is made between a Tzaddik and a Rebbe (Regarding the usage as explained in tanya)