I was recently presented with a the recently-published book on Reb Itche der Masmid, hy"d, called יראת ה' אוצרו. My B'cheyr saved up all his money and bought it for my birthday. (Cute, no?) The author says it well when he writes B'shem a Chossid that just like Reb Elozor ben Charsom was M'Chayev Ashirim and Hillel was M'Chayev Aniyim, then Reb Itche was M'Chayev Chassidim of our generation.
An interesting anectode:
On Leil Shminii Atzeres 5699, Reb Itche ate the Seudah at the FR's tish. Reb Itche said then that the main revelation of the Baal Shem Tov was for Reysin and Lita. For Peylin, he said, " האט דער בעש"ט נ"ע ממשיך געווען אמונה פשוטה, אבער דייטשלאנד איז לאחר הבירור, ביי די אשכנזישער אידן האט מען צוגענומען די כח המסירות נפש וועלכע איז דא ביי יעדן אידן".
The FR did not disagree with the first part of the vort , he commented on the second part. He said that the Keyach of Mesiras Nefesh was not TAKEN from them, rather they "drowned" that Keyach. The Keyach of Mesiras Nefesh is taken from a person through transgressing Issurei Kores repeatedly. We have no concept in the term of Kal Sheb'Kalim that the Rebbe (the AR) uses in Tanya (That even a Kal ShebeKalim has the Keyach of Mesiras Nefesh.)
RIDM continued: The Maggid sent Talmidim to all Eastern European countries, but did not send any to Germany. Reb Chatshe Feigin asked about the Baal Haflo'oh and the Rebbe Reb Shmelke, weren't they in Germany? The Rebbe answered with a story of the Maggid, the MM didn't go to the Mikveh because of his lame foot, but in his place he would send a Talmid , giving him special Yichudim to do there. So when
we say that the MM sent Talmidim we mean that he gave them Yichudim to do where they travel. Therefore, the fact that they were there does not mean that they had the Yichudim from the Maggid.
As a Jew of Hungarian descent, the Ashkenazic part of Hungary that is, do I need to worry about this?
(in the He'oros of the book they do mention that the Rebbe did say that it's not "Mufrach" that in our times there should be an Inyan of "birurim" even in Germany. Maybe that has something to do with the Holocaust?)
for starters Tzig, please beg of you, stop using the rushiseh cheylem i.e. "paylish etc.
ReplyDeleteIf it bothers you so much, I'll tone it down. But what about the toychen of the post?
ReplyDeletenah! you have nothing to worry about. דו ביסט טאקע אביסעלע פארגרעבט but from what i know about you i think you still have hope, & you'r definitely not doomed.
ReplyDeleteוהא ראיה, קוק איו וואס דו קאכסט זיך
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ReplyDeleteנחמתני
א גוטן שבת
א גוטע וואך
ReplyDeleteTzig - I vote for you to keep the traditional Lubavitch pronuniciation transliterated here, e.g. Peylish, Tayreh. I bet Kurenitzer would like it that way too. ;-)
ReplyDeleteRe Germany - there were frummer yidden there too. What about the followers of Rav SR Hirsch zt"l and others there who stayed frum ? I assume that was was meant was just those who went off the derech in Germany, not those who stayed frum. Lichayreh that should be a dovor poshut, no?
So you mean you shtam from oberlander Ashkenazisher yidden ? Choshuv....
Tzig, on the accent issue, this is what i meant: Since you did not grow up speaking this accent & I doubt you picked it up in your couple of years in Tomchei Tmimim, I think it's a bit childish to feel a need to emulate the accent. since it's just another accent.
ReplyDelete2)on the "taychen" of the shtikel, I have to say that "doomed" is a harsh word with a certain finality to it. ובאו האובדים בארץ אשור והנידחים וכו
Sorry again... I downloaded a cheap free font board program & this is the result.
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ReplyDeleteI guess "Ayberlender" Yichus is Choshuv, especially sice it's a very endangered species almost totally extinct.
אויך מיר
I generally do not emulate the accent, especially since young bochurim and yungeleit these days who try to sound Chassidish, do get it all wrong, but to write like that feels "cool".
ok,ok.
ReplyDeleteA number of years ago, in the Algemeiner, there were a few very good articles about various edos/kehillos, written by someone that is pretty knowledgable in such inyonim. Limoshol, one was about Yekkes, another about Oberlanders.....In the article re the Ayberlanders he discussed the inyan of 'what happened to the Oberlanders after WWII', kefi my recollection.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly, I think that it could be said that the Litvisher chaylem is also endangered, just like the Oberlander part. I guess the Litvishe chaylem can be "cool" at times. What about the Shin and Sin - like what people (linguists) like Hirshe-Dovid Katz call 'Sabbesdik'er losen' ? Perhaps that wasn't heard so much in Lubavitch, but other Litvaks did use it years ago. I guess that is more endangered now than the chaylem even. Maybe Kurenitzer can comment re if Lubavitchers amohl used 'sabbesdik'er losen' ?
Got to change that "oich mir name.
ReplyDeleteIt's getting on my nerves. How does "Tzibaleh" sound?
i.e.
א ציבאלע זאל פון דיר ווערין
Tzibaleh
ReplyDelete?חסידות חזר'סטו אויך
nah, it's unfotunately just a tzibaleh
ReplyDeletethe alter rebbe is quote by the tzemach tzedek as saying איך וויל זע גארניסט...
ReplyDeleteThe Ashkenazim have taken over chassidus.
ReplyDeleteSkvere is completely Oberlander.
Satmer is majority oberlander. Satmar itself was an ashkenazic kehilla until the Satmar rebbe strong armed himself into the position of Rov.
Pupa,Tzeilim,Vien,Krasne,Debreczene,Nitra have all metamorphosed
into Chassidic courts. And we all know what the state of Chassidus is today. The Oberlanders had mesiras nefesh to fight the neologues but they can't battle materialism. Chassidus has become a bunch of symbols, shtreimel, mitzvah tanz, expensive sheitlich, SUV, rebbe worship, rabid Anti-Zionism and no toychen. Too bad but it's over.
Baalbatish, from what i know, heard, this was due to some of satmar rav's shitah (& idon't mean shita re: ציונות). I think the mentality was: just do what Torah wants but don't THINK what torah wants you to think. I might be grossly inarticulate on this, but maybe we'll be זוכה to hear from our dear rebbe R' Kurnitzer or others.
ReplyDeleteTzibaleh
ReplyDeleteelaborate please. Are you saying that it's ok, l'fi shitas Satmar, to think what you want in areas outside of Tziyonus? That's a strong accusation!
baalbatish,
ReplyDeletehow can you slam satmar with such loshen hora? perplexing and troubling that it comes out in print here.... can't begin to take your comments apart because I'll end up stinking....
ok. I guess i WAS very in articulate. I was responding to baalbatish. He writes
ReplyDelete"The Oberlanders had mesiras nefesh to fight the neologues but they can't battle materialism. Chassidus has become a bunch of symbols, shtreimel, mitzvah tanz, expensive sheitlich, SUV, rebbe worship, rabid Anti-Zionism and no toychen. Too bad but it's over."
To that I responded "I think the mentality was: just do what Torah wants but don't THINK what torah wants you to think." In מעשה בפועל
They are possibly the frumest but in השקפה hey seem to be lacking. hence the chase after materialism.
However the "materialism" problem exists ל"ע in all kreyzin to some extent.
Tzibaleh
ReplyDeleteyou meant in Maaseh B'poel they SEEM to be the frummest, right?
Hirshel,
ReplyDeleteYou seem to be saying taht you believe that In Chabad we have the ultimate in frumkeit...
They may have thier problems, but i suspect that their mosdos are faring better than ours my friend.
if you saw the link to the cnn video about satmar chasidim i am not so sure ionce had a long discussion about this with a freind who is not lubavitch he says that the dif. is that when a lubav. bochurel goes off the derech ale kenen zehn az a lubav. bochur is arop fun derech when a stmar oder andere geit r"l arop fun derech there is no way to tell az er is a yid arup fun derech
ReplyDeletei personnaly met a few azelche that never in a million years would you belive r"l
Anon,
ReplyDeleteNot so simple. In CH there are no standards, so everyone does what they want and there are no reprecissions.
Elsewhere, a bochur, father, girl, mother, etc. can't get away with half the stuff that goes on. Therefore, the average individual is held to a higher standard, and although every group will have its failures, your success rate is improved.
anonymous, choose a name please.
ReplyDeleteThe truth is that in Hungarian and Chassidishe circles the motto is: as long as you look ok you're doing fine. Now, with the women even though that too is overdone, at least with women it's a matter of Halachah. Even so, the permission is taken to far, with 700 dollar outfits, all Kosher of course. So what we can't wear we'll make up with spending on what we can.
With men the cracks show more and more. Most of the Hashkafah education is done by lambasting "Tziyonum", which is humorous enough being that they all live in Chutz LaAretz. That leaves little time for real issues, like Emunah in G-d.
HT,
ReplyDeleteWhat's your point?
The point is that these days you can be a Frei Apikores and still look all good and holy. It's not a minority anymore either. Lubavitchers for some reasons do a terrible job hiding their indiscretions, either that or they could care less about what people think about them.
ReplyDeletechagas i am not sure what is better a freiak in a spodik or a bochur in jeans that does what he can or lets say WANTS to i think fooling yourself is the worst thing that a person can do to himself yedias hamachla....
ReplyDeleteI see that the truth was left behind here ages ago.
ReplyDeleteYou can continue to live in the imaginary world that all those guys in Hats, Streimelach and Spodikas are really fried out but incognito, but it's not true.
C'mon Hirshel, you know that is not the case.
If you guys are Lubavitchers, then you will know that hamaysa hu haikkar. So, let's talk about who has a far better ratio of shomrei Torah umitzvos, kovea itim letorah, and honhogas proper for Torah yidden... And I'm not saying this because I enjoy it, I'm saying it because it's true, and it's painful.
Oy
ReplyDeletedid I say that they are, no. I'm saying that in other circles the pressure is on maintaining the outside look. In that they succeed. Kovea Itim? how much of a percentage of BP heads of household are in Botei Midroshim at night, 5%?
Put it this way:
ReplyDeleteI never took a survey but I am sure that the number is much, much, much higher than that. But let me ask the question differently... Do you think the number is higher or lower in Lubavitcher circles?
chagas you would be surprised!!!!
ReplyDeletewell, let's see now. There are approx. 25,00 HOH in Boro Park, how many of them are in shul on any given night, learning?
ReplyDeleteTorah lifestyle goes beyond "shiurim". For many Orthodox people the framework of the shiur not the knowledge is the essence.An immediate disclaimer learning is an important part of Judaism , but midos etc are also important. Shovavim is not practiced because of Bittul Tore.
ReplyDeleteReb Itche Haya"d (he was killed by the Nazis in Riga) wrote from the US that the Jews here eat kontleten (hamburgers) twice daily.How much more so in our days.
Achilla gase is meiredik in Charedi circles. New restaurants, fast food places , nash foods candies, (Reb Aren T eitelbaum of KJ spoke about how he walked into a grocery in KJ and saw that most of the goods were noshery ), and I am sure we can all vrify that in our shechunim.
Pizza, and other haevy duty carbs are the staples of our diets. How much cake do we eat on Shabbes ?
Usually a jew "est" and a arel "frest" but we are rapidly becoming major league fressers too.
So perhaps we should take Reb Itche's message to heart and practice atd of restraint in our material lives, and that goes for the Chagas people too.