Much ado is made of the supposed immediate grasp that the Brisker Rov R' Velvel had of the Rebbe's immediate "intentions."
The story supposedly goes (don't they all?) that the Brisker Rov was shown a copy of the מאמר באתי לגני that the Rebbe said on that first Yud Shvat. He supposedly looked through the Maymer, saw the end, where the Rebbe says that since we're the Dor Hashvi'i we need to be "mamshich the shechinah into Oilem HaZeh Hatachton", "Venizkeh zehn zich" etc. and said that "er meint az er iz moshiach", or worse.
Without being able to verify if the story actually happened, there is one observation to make. The truth is that Chassidim did take that line of "והוא יגאלנו" very seriously and from then had the idea of the Rebbe as Moshiach entrenched in their minds, but was that it? Was that the only lesson that people took home from that Farbrengen?
The Rebbe spoke of many Inyonim, not to mention a long, טיפע מאמר. It was the first Yohrtzeit of the FR and the anticipation was great. Not much was known about the Rebbe, and the Rebbe supposedly still had many "friends" in the Heimishe community, yet the only thing the "Godol HaDor" could think of to say was the above-mentioned line?!
I choose not to believe the story, for the Kovod of the Brisker Rov.
I hope to ask our friend R' Shimon Goldman some questions tonight.
Listen to the מאמר Part I
Listen to Part II
The first story after the intro. will explain why Chassidus is so important. (story from Reb Yoel)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/to-know-and-to-care-2/05.htm
It's also of course very related to Yud Shevat Bosi Legani and this topic.
May this day bless all of us.
ARE we to add the Brisker Rov, to your long list of 'haters'?HE would be in pretty good company, if we believe your other rants about some very well respected Jews.
ReplyDeleteYou do realize the foresight of the Brisker Rov realizing then that 'kol hashvi'in chavivin' would be the REAL 'mivtza'.
Unfortunate, but another Jew with immense potential leaves a problematic legacy, tainted with the whiff of false messianism.
Peace.
Hello everyody, sorry I missed y'all today.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the BR is concerned, I hope you pay attention better in class. I did say that I choose, MiPnei Kvodo, not to believe the story. I am surprised, however, that self-respecting B'nei Teyre believe it.
I may have said this before, but it's worth another mention.
ReplyDeleteI have nothing but pity on someone who supposedly is defending the "honor" of Yiddishkeit and seeks out the "problematic" words of Rabbonim and Rebbes. They then decide that based on those words the one who utters them is deemed "Krum" or an "Apikores".
Last night, at the conclusion of an otherwise "unsuccessful" Farbrengen, I overheard three(Chanyokishe) Boro Park Yidden speaking; Had the Rebbe publicized the Reshimos 30 years ago "volt er geshemt in di gantze velt altz Gaon adir!".
The point is that we didn't do what we could've done as far as giving the Rebbe a "good name", Kevayochel. However, those haters had a big part in it. Zol der Eybershter af zei Rachmones hubben.
So many people tell stories about the Brisker rav to suit their political agenda. Reb Elyokim Schlesinger of London tells stories and writes from a NK slant, Reb Shlomo Lorencz writes froma Aguda stance. Menachem porush tells a yerushalmi story. Who knows what the Brisker rav said.
ReplyDeleteHe was "take" a greyser lamdan a sarid of the gedolei Lita and a Zaddik, but who knows what he said and maybe he was amking a joke.
The zechus of the Baal Hillula be maygin af klal Israel.
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ReplyDeletedid you ever see the Baal HaHilulah?
Not be" gashmiuth! I am too young.
ReplyDeletewell, you once did slip and say when you graduated high school... so I thought....
ReplyDeleteChenyuk is not meant to be derogatory, it's the best way I found to explain it. חניוק איז ר"ת
ReplyDeleteחסידים
נבונים
יראי שמים
וקדושים
so how would you describe them?
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