Click here to be inspired. כ'ווייס נישט ווער דער בעל דרשן איז, אבער זאגען זאגט ער גאר גוט A timely short lecture especially now that the destruction of Chassidishe Neginah has become universal. They might have good intentions, but the destruction remains nevertheless. Not that I have a problem with the tremendous Simcha shel Mitzvah in Toldos Aron that you see below! It's wonderful! I love it and I wish I was there, it's just that it's not the nigun was intended to be sung.
As someone who'se carried away by this tune, perhaps you want to put up a recording viazoi men darf es yo zingn.
ReplyDeleteכיצד מרקדין לפני הכלה:
ReplyDeleteר' איציקל זצ"ל כותב: מי שראה דודי הק' משינאווא זי"ע בריקוד לפני הכלה היה רואה שראשו נשא את רגליו ולא רגליו את ראשו,
ושהה"ק מבייטש, ציוה שהכלה תזיז ג"כ
מצוה טאנץ הוא ע"פּ קבלה
להמשיך חיות להכלה עילאה, שמורה נגד המלכות, נגד הה"א תתאה
But to make video/pictures on the internet That's a cutzpah!
The Baal Darshan sounds like Reb Yom Tov Erlich ZT"L.
ReplyDeleteCould be him. Tough call though.
RYTE would be highly offended, I think, when he found out who you think he sounds like...
ReplyDeleteAnd its not Reb Leibel וויינשטאק either, as one person tweeted me.
RYTE would never take offense. He would probably just smile, and laugh it off.
ReplyDeletehe sure took offense to his shtiebel in Willi being sold! and that was his REBBE selling it!!
ReplyDeleteBack to work I guess. Cant win today.
ReplyDelete"But to make video/pictures on the internet That's a cutzpah!"
ReplyDeletesaid who?
anon 1:29, "said who?"
ReplyDeleteלא תעשה לך פסל וכל תמונה
עיין דרכי תשובה על יורה דעה, שו"ת דברי מלכיאל,ועוד
That the איסור is on any kind of photagraphy, Chasidim הקדמונים special where מדקדק on this! But חסידי ר' אהרעל'ע by a מצוה טאנץ now that's a חוצפה יתירה !
Anon
ReplyDelete"anon 1:29, "said who?"
לא תעשה לך פסל וכל תמונה
עיין דרכי תשובה על יורה דעה, שו"ת דברי מלכיאל,ועוד"
Internet is not a dovur hamiskayem, its like passing a mirror,its not related to that Issur, which anyway according to most posskim is not prohibited at all, the first time it was brought up, was in a mussar speech of reb Yonasan Eibshutz in Yarois Devash,but that ois only derush.
Think about it, how did the only son of the Darkie Teshuvah the holy Munkacher, the biggest kanoi of them all, appear on TV, he knew its getting transmitted to the USA
Anon
ReplyDelete"Chasidim הקדמונים special where מדקדק on this"
I saw personaly and read about many holy tzadikim hat were not makpid on it at all, starting by the Maharid of Belz, Imrie emes, The Satmar Ruv by protests....
anon 2:51, "he knew its getting transmitted to the USA" "Satmar Ruv by protests"
ReplyDeleteבכגון דא נאמר, עת לעשות לד' הפרו תורתך
Anon
ReplyDelete"בכגון דא נאמר, עת לעשות לד' הפרו תורתך"
then the Zionist can say the same...
When I try to access this clip the message I get is "missing plug-in" the same happens on the post about Litzman.This happens when I use Google Chrome as my browser.When I use Opera I have no problem.What gives?
ReplyDeleteanon3
ReplyDeletewhich clip, the one I link to or the one I posted with the player?
If it's the latter then you need to D/L Quicktime.
Fargin you could not post this video clip without attaching this audio clip in the same post
ReplyDeleteis the first time that you realized that a nigun can be from the bad side?
Fargin
I fargin you, but I have no idea what you said...
ReplyDeleteSo Hirshel,, who is this darshan
ReplyDeleteI dunno yet who this darshan is. But do you like what he says? how he sings? What he's singing?
ReplyDeleteHirshel
ReplyDeleteI hear in the middle a Rachmistrivker nigun, heard it on the new Rachmistrivk Yershaliem CD
The one with the player.I downloaded Quicktime but am still getting zilch.
ReplyDeleteanon3
ReplyDeleteI feel your pain and would like to help.
Maybe try restarting the computer?
the audio clip is beautiful – thanks!
ReplyDeleteanon 4:44 "then the Zionist can say the same..."
ReplyDeleteAnd they do but on, בכגון דא נאמר למיימינים סמא דחייא למשמאילים סמא דמותא
וכבר אמרו, כשהוא טב לית טב מיניה וכשהוא ביש לית ביש מיניהו
please put your Loshen kodesh quotes with the Mossek Midvash for the strong aramic and soncino/artscroll for english translation, not all circus tents participants are as astute in this lingo..
ReplyDeleteanon 1:25, "not all circus tents participants are as astute in this lingo.." כשהוא טב לית טב מיניה וכשהוא ביש לית ביש מיניהו
ReplyDeleteThis a לשון דר' יעקב עמדין ז"ל בעניני זיווג
I adopted it thinking is relevent to the discussion.
דער בעל-מספר איז נח נאַכבוש
ReplyDeleteאון דער שטיקל קומט פֿון באַנד חסידיש "דער גילגול פֿון א ניגון"פֿון יצחק-לייבוש פּרץן
As 'Ende' started off the commentary on this post, I too await a link to, or at least some info about the 'proper' version of this niggun, or the niggun you think they’re supposed to be singing.
ReplyDeleteThat being said... I understand, somewhat, a Lubavitcher decrying a variation or deviation in a niggun; they pride themselves on the precision of how they sing nigunnim with exactitude. Of some nigunnim they even have 3 or 4 nuschaos. This is someway understandable, as they put a great emphasis on correct dikuk, especially with 'krias hatorah'.
However, most chassiddim(s.c. peilishe),based on clear teachings of the heilge BSh"T and his heilge talmidim quoting midrashim on the verse, "v'dilugo alay ahava", subjugated correct dikduk to the dictates and expression caused by fervor of spirit and soul. This even in mandated t’philos and taamei hamikra which are halacha l’moshe m’sinai, how much more so by a niggun k’muvan…
Anon
ReplyDeleteI guess u were never by a real Viznitzer tish, I remember years ago seeing 2 elderly 70 year old Vinitzer Chasidim fighting over a Tenua of a nigun, it was almost a fist fight. I heard the Imrie chaim went berserk when he heard a false tune on the other end of shul
I've seen as much in Squelene and other chasidic music scenes. I'ts most likely a relatively recent development, which aniyus daaty tels me is just another sign of chasidim losing their edge and becoming evermore an orthodoxy to rival even pre-BSh"T missnagedim.
ReplyDeleteAderabbe! Please explain it otherwise? Of course you can pshetle it away; but, c'mon?!
And of course I understand while singing with a group, naturaly some one sticks to certain limitations lest the song become disharmonious or a cacaphony. However, when singing solo, or as the case of this post, a group adopting a niggun ofanother group and adpting it to their own taste, what can possibly be wrong?
ReplyDeleteI am regular reader and some time commenter here. I have had the pleasure to speak with Reb Hirshel through email on occasion.
ReplyDeleteUsually I have posted under Anonymous. Time for me to change that.
This comment is concerning the Toldos Aron nigun video, which is a nigun meyuchos ltalmidei Hatzemech Tzedek. Some say to the Tzemech Tzedek himself.
In the year when 'Yeilchu mechayil el choyil' was sung for the Rebbe, this niggun was one of the versions with those words.
Interestingly enough, the only other niggun of Chassidei Hatzemech Tzedek , was the topic of discussion here a few weeks ago, with Reb Caleb singing/butchering of that niggun.
Here is the niggun:
http://216.53.71.16:8080/ramgen/770live/nigunim/dovid_hurwitz/042.rm
תתחדש, ר' צבי הירש on the new name, and thanks for the link
ReplyDeleteHirshel Tzig: תתחדש, ר' צבי הירש on the new name
ReplyDeleteרמ"א: נוהגין לאכול תפוח מתוק בדבש ואומרים תתחדש